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August 11, 202645 min
What Advice Would We Give to Our 25 Year Old Selves?
What would you say if you could sit down with your 25-year-old self for one conversation? No guest this week. Just Zach and Pat going through the four things they'd change - career, relationships, money, and health - including the mistakes that cost them time they can't get back. Pat on the years he spent building a business while his kids grew up without him. Zach on three years of sweat equity that never paid out, and why he cut his own income in half on purpose. Real numbers, real regrets, and the advice they wish someone had handed them a decade ago.
August 7, 20261 hr 9 min
Your Pain Is Almost Never Where It Hurts | Stephen Shinn
Everybody told you the pain is where it hurts. Stephen Shinn has built an entire practice on the idea that it almost never is. Stephen is the owner of Revive Wellness Company, and he works in the gap nobody else covers — the space between rehab and fitness that he says both sides fundamentally misunderstand. He's gotten people out of wheelchairs, taken a paralyzed bricklayer from five years of failed PT to walking and talking in six months, and cut a leading stem-cell clinic's treatment counts in half using nothing but breath work. In this one: why "it's just part of getting older" is a lie, the difference between a tissue issue and a tone issue, why you should stop stretching your hamstrings, what your chiropractor is actually giving you (and why it doesn't stick), what weighted-ball training is doing to 10-year-old arms, stem cells and peptides, neutral thinking, and the three habits he'd change in the average American day.
July 29, 20261 hr 18 min
Good Songs Will Only Take You So Far | Wes Hoffman
Everything in the block below goes straight into the YouTube description field. Wes Hoffman has written over 50 songs in a year, toured 924 Gilman, and built two music communities from an Instagram account. He also says the thing most musicians don't want to hear: good songs will only take you so far. In this episode we get into what actually grows a band, why Spotify monthly listeners are a lie, and how a divorce, a closed business and a new job inside three months turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to him. Wes Hoffman is a St. Louis singer-songwriter, frontman of Wes Hoffman and Friends, and the founder of 314 Punk and Frequency Midwest. New record out in October — and there's a St. Louis festival announcement coming in August.
July 22, 20261 hr 14 min
He Was Ready to Close His Business - Then This Happened | Jack Hanneken 2
Jack returns a year on to trace how much has shifted in the business and in himself. On the business side he walks through the full subcontractor life cycle he's now watched play out over five years, why he's productizing fencing into a simple, scalable 'Chick-fil-A' menu under Faster Fences, and the honest fear of letting go of operational control that's the single thing capping his growth. On the personal side, he opens up about realizing he'd built his whole identity around chasing money, the spiritual-coaching work with Josh Wiesler that followed, and a run of experiences (a business he tried to close, a calling to a coffee shop, baptisms at the gym) that reoriented him. Pat mirrors it with his own reset: a month-and-a-half off social media and a six-month break from dating, and what both have done for his focus. What you'll take away ● The subcontractor (and employee) life cycle - how good crews start hungry, peak in the middle, then drift - and how to see the end coming. ● Why productizing a service into 3-5 fixed options (the "Chick-fil-A" model) simplifies inventory, speed and customer experience all at once. ● The real bottleneck to scaling isn't leads - it's the founder's fear of handing off control. ● A practical case that growth for its own sake can cost you the client experience and the life you actually want. ● How a social-media and dating fast can free up focus, money and genuine connection - plus the discipline-vs-motivation cycle every entrepreneur rides seasonally.
July 17, 20261 hr 30 min
'If I Hate My Ex, I Hate Half My Kids’ — An Honest Talk on Co-Parenting | Dalton Nicholls
Dalton is a realtor at CRS Belt Nichols — and the "bonus dad" to co-host Pat’s two boys. He and the guys cover his path from car sales to real estate, the mentors who shaped him, the realities of the sales grind (lead sources, pre-approvals, listing strategy), and some genuinely wild listing stories. Then the episode turns into its best self: an honest, moving conversation about co-parenting after divorce — how Pat and Dalton put their egos aside, backed each other up, and built a blended family the kids actually thrive in.What you’ll take away• How to co-parent after divorce without making the kids collateral — "put down your swords."• Why "if I hate my ex, I hate half my kids" reframes the whole thing.• The reality of the real-estate grind: mentors, lead sources, and running a real buyer consult.• A masterclass in ego, humility, and doing what’s best for the children.
July 14, 20261 hr 0 min
Born Deaf, She Became a Dentist — Dr. Jessica Nieva’s Story
Dr. Jessica Nieva was born profoundly deaf and grew up isolated — raised to read lips, not sign, in a Filipino family that pushed medicine. She didn’t hear clearly until a cochlear implant at 30, an experience she calls life-changing. In this episode she and the guys talk about the first sounds she ever heard, running 60+ miles a week to cope with loneliness, building Benton Family Dentistry while raising four daughters in five years, dropping insurance to trade burnout for quality, and why she now takes health and happiness over income.What you’ll take away• How adversity built the toughness behind her success — and why she has empathy to match.• The business case for going out-of-network: fewer patients, higher quality, more happiness.• Why "saying no" and setting boundaries is a superpower for any owner.• Choosing health, family, and presence over maximizing income.
July 10, 20261 hr 27 min
Your Foundation Guy Is Probably Lying to You — How Not to Get Ripped Off | Stephen Burton
Stephen Burton is the owner and educator of Foundation Rescue in St. Louis, with 35 years and $100M in foundation repairs behind him. In this episode he pulls back the curtain on an industry with no licensing test and no standards: why homes really fail (gutters and downspouts, not "your walls falling"), how to avoid getting ripped off, the $175 inspection he’ll do before you spend $30,000, the difference between clients and customers, and the faith and integrity that turned him from "part of the problem" into an advocate. Equal parts homeowner survival guide and a lesson in doing business the right way.What you’ll take away• The real cause of most foundation problems — and the two things every homeowner should do today.• How to tell a good foundation contractor from a predatory one (licensing, insurance, the 3-day rescission).• Why "fixing the crack" without fixing the cause guarantees a new crack.• Clients vs. customers — and why treating people as clients wins long-term.• Owning your mistakes: how he went from "the problem" to reforming the industry.Pull-quotes• "Your walls do not fall. That’s the scare tactic."• "Clients buy information. Customers buy products."• "If you don’t know who the idiot is at the poker table, it’s you."• "He was a slow learner, but he figured it out." (his tombstone)
July 7, 20261 hr 8 min
A Truck Exploded Feet From Him — A Fire Chief on Leadership, Culture & Faith | Aaron Burlingame
In 2018, a truck exploded just feet from firefighter Aaron Burlingame.He came back. This one’s about leadership, culture, faith, and what theworst days teach you about what actually matters. Aaron Burlingame — Battalion Chief with the St. Charles Fire Department — sits down with Zach & Pat on leading vs. bossing, building a culture people choose over higher pay, first-responder mental health, raising sons who own their mistakes, surviving serious burns, and the faith he found on the other side. Real conversation, no clickbait. ▶ CHAPTERS00:00 Meet Aaron Burlingame — St. Charles Fire01:00 Why a fire chief fell for jiu-jitsu06:00 The real lesson: consistency & doing hard things11:30 Leadership isn’t being in charge — it’s responsibility15:00 How "Discipline Equals Freedom" changed his leadership17:00 What the worst days teach you about what matters18:00 How the fire service finally took mental health seriously23:00 The culture that put St. Charles on the map31:30 The cell-phone box: rebuilding conversation34:45 The Dungeons & Dragons leadership lesson39:30 A leadership mistake he still learns from46:00 Watching his son enter the fire service51:20 The day a truck exploded feet away57:00 Faith, "box receipts," and finding the good1:01:00 Muddy River FOOLS & the brotherhood1:05:00 One thing you can do tomorrow: fill your cup1:07:00 The Tombstone Game ▶ Help us hit 1,000 subscribers before the end of 2026 — SUBSCRIBE! ▶ FOLLOW US ON IGZach: https://www.instagram.com/zach_fagas/Pat: https://www.instagram.com/stl_mortgagenerd/Murph: https://www.instagram.com/thedaily_murph/ ▶ OUR PARTNERSCPTN Beard Co — use code ZACHANDPAT for 10% off your orderThe Normal Brand — https://sldr.page.link/ZCYFu ▶ ABOUT THE SHOWThe Zach & Pat Show — honest conversations about manhood, fatherhood,entrepreneurship, and a positive mental attitude. Hosted by Zach Fagas& Pat Doyle.
Today we are excited to sit down with our first ever tattoo artist AND shop owner with Derek Heidorn! Part of TAC Team through Revive BJJ, Derek has long had a spirit that sought out fulfillment through defiance. He saw the molds the world tried told him to fit in and this led him to forming his own path starting first in contracting work and then transitioning through his creative spirit towards tattooing - his first piece ever done on his own leg! Now running his own shop, raising a family, and continuing to level up in BJJ, Derek's story is great for anyone who feels like breaking the mold just like he did.Please like, comment, and subscribe for more! We are on our way to 1000 subs and we need all the support we can get!0:00 introducing Derek (Tattoo Jesus)4:15 starting bjj19:30 getting into tattooing36:55 road to licensing/fatherhood1:08:05 opening shop1:30:55 promotion for event in October1:32:40 TSGFollow us on IG!https://www.instagram.com/zach_fagas/https://www.instagram.com/stl_mortgagenerd/https://www.instagram.com/thedaily_murph/Use Code ZACHANDPAT for 10% CPTN Beard Co Orders!Check out Normal Brand:https://sldr.page.link/ZCYFu
July 1, 20261 hr 9 min
NICKY ROBERTSON: FRESH MARKETS, SERVICE INDUSTRY, NOVELTY CHOCOLATES, RURAL LIVING, WHAT WOMEN WANT
Today we are pleased to bring our new friend Nicky Robertson and all the chuckles that come with it! New to the Adventure Unknown family, Nicky sits down with us to discuss her experience in the service industry, how she parlayed that into an ever evolving career currently now with Fresh Markets STL - a group focused on bringing clean eating options to large scale management operations. A lot of enthusiasm and tons of life experience, Nicky also lets us in on her thirst for adventure and reminds us that life is one meant to be lived - not on the sidelines.Please like, comment, and subscribe for more! We are on our way to 1000 subs and we need all the support we can get!0:00 introducing Nicky/intro into business, service25:30 service industry post covid38:25 leaving NW Mutual, transition to Fresh Market48:10 adventure seeking53:15 avoidance vs growth1:00:00 what do women want1:06:15 TSGFollow us on IG!https://www.instagram.com/zach_fagas/https://www.instagram.com/stl_mortgagenerd/https://www.instagram.com/thedaily_murph/Use Code ZACHANDPAT for 10% CPTN Beard Co Orders!Check out Normal Brand:https://sldr.page.link/ZCYFu
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