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You're doing all the right things... showing up for your family, your faith, your work, yet still something feels off. You're overwhelmed more than you want to be. Your relationships have the same friction points. You wonder why you keep getting in your own way. Your starting point doesn't have to be your stuck point. The Wholehearted Enneagram Podcast with Amy Wicks exists for faith-driven women who are ready to get to the root, not just better strategies, but real transformation from the inside out. Each week, Amy brings honest conversations, personal stories, and the kind of practical wisdom that actually changes how you see yourself and the people you love. The Enneagram is the tool. Christ is the transformation. And you were made for more than just managing your patterns. 🎙️ New episodes every week. Subscribe and start wherever you feel most stuck. Faith-based identity coaching for women who are tired of feeling stuck, overwhelmed, and unsure of who they really are.

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October 13, 202639 min

The Enneagram Three and Being Known | A Three's Wholehearted Journey with Maila Rito

Send us Fan Mail The Enneagram Three and Being Known | A Three's Wholehearted Journey with Maila Rito Series: Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Three | Episode 2 of 4 Amy interviews Maila Rito about discovering she is an Enneagram Three after years of mistyping as a One and then a Nine, with the realization catalyzed by an August 2024 business crisis in network marketing where public goals, pressure for “more,” and missing a rank triggered shame despite outward composure. A friend encouraged her to read about Type Three, which felt exposing and brought childhood flashbacks, clarifying her drive, moving goalposts, high-functioning anxiety, and emotion-avoidance through constant doing. Maila describes growth in naming and feeling emotions, setting boundaries to reduce comparison, and processing how Filipina cultural expectations around titles, achievement, and self-effacement shaped her. She shares how a convention stage recognition became a spiritual turning point, leading her to coaching and transforming “Tribe Rising” into a women’s community centered on belonging, healing, purpose, and grace, emphasizing the message that she is loved and enough apart from performance. 00:00 Meet the Enneagram Three 01:33 Mistyped as One and Nine 02:56 The Goal That Broke Me 05:56 Reading Three Felt Exposing 08:52 Chasing More Never Ends 10:53 High Functioning Anxiety 14:17 Learning to Feel Again 16:10 Tribe Rising Origin Story 21:23 Comparison and Boundaries 23:42 Filipino Culture and Success 26:51 Four Wing Push Pull 30:40 Faith Beyond Performance 34:34 You Are Enough Closing Connect with Maila Rito on Instagram Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

October 8, 2026Episode 47056 min

Annie F. Downs on Enneagram, Marriage, and Don't Let That Hold You Back

Send us Fan Mail October Surprise Bonus Bestselling author and podcaster Annie F. Downs joins Amy for an honest, joy-filled conversation about her new book, Don't Let That Hold You Back, life as an Enneagram Seven, and what she's learning as a newlywed. If you've ever wondered whether it's foolish to keep hoping, this episode is for you. Annie shares the one question that has rescued her "over and over" when disappointment hits: What does this make possible? Two Enneagram Sevens talk about FOMO, the "holes in the bottom of the bucket," and why Annie has "Savor This" tattooed on her arm. She also opens up about marrying JW and learning the difference between what's private, personal, and public when your story is no longer just yours. In this episode, you'll hear: How an Enneagram Seven feels big emotions Her husband's (JW) Enneagram type Annie's "four lives" framework for telling your story wisely Finishing Don't Let That Hold You Back just weeks before meeting her husband Hope deferred, waiting well, and trusting that God is writing a bigger story What happened when another author released the book Annie was pitching Why Annie loves being "the bridge" Her 2027 sabbatical plans Chapters: 00:00 How Annie is really arriving 04:00 JW's Enneagram Type 08:00 Chapter 18, FOMO, and feeling emotions as a Seven 13:00 Private vs. personal vs. public 20:00 Waiting to share the engagement and hoping publicly 26:00 The book as a yearbook of the season before JW 28:30 Hope deferred and a bigger story 33:00 The book that wasn't and "What does this make possible?" 39:00 Nature vs. nurture: a Seven's superpower 41:30 Being the bridge 45:30 Sabbatical, obedience, and gospel success Connect with Annie F. Downs: Her Newest book: Don't Let That Hold You Back: A Bold Guide to Finding the Life You're Longing For Website: anniefdowns.com Instagram: instagram.com/anniefdowns ; instagram.com/thatsoundsfunpodcast Facebook: facebook.com/anniefdowns X: x.com/anniefdowns YouTube: youtube.com/@AnnieFDownsTSF TikTok: tiktok.com/@anniefdownstsf Podcasts: That Sounds Fun ; Let’s Read the Gospels ; Annie's miniBFF Podcast TV Show: I Gotta Ask with Annie F. Downs Online Community: Single Purpose League Photo Credit: Micah Kandros Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

October 6, 2026Episode 46936 min

The Enneagram Three's Sacred Ease | Performance, Identity & Trusting God with Deanna

Send us Fan Mail Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Three | Episode 1 of 4 What does it look like to be the most capable person in the room… and still wonder if you are enough? The Enneagram Three is often admired for her drive, competence, vision, and ability to make things happen. But beneath the achievement can be a quieter question: Who am I when I’m not performing? In this opening episode of Type Three month, Amy sits down with Deanna Sudom to explore the inner world of the Three, the fear of being worthless, the longing to feel genuinely valuable, and the ways a Three can learn to shape-shift into whatever the world rewards. Together, they talk about the strange tension of a life that looks successful on the outside but can feel disconnected on the inside. They explore performance, identity, emotional disconnection, and what happens when achievement becomes a way of securing worth. And then they bring that journey into faith. What happens when a Three approaches her relationship with God the same way she approaches everything else as something to manage, optimize, and accomplish? What does it mean to receive from God rather than produce for Him? And what might become possible when she finally gives herself permission to simply be? This is an invitation for the Three to recover the self beneath the doing, reconnect with her feelings, and discover the freedom of a worth that was never dependent on her performance. You are worthy and loved before you do a thing. In this episode: • Understanding the heart and motivation of the Enneagram Three • The fear of worthlessness and the longing to be genuinely valuable • Why Threes adapt and shape-shift to meet expectations • The hidden cost of achievement and image management • Moving from performing spirituality to receiving from God • What growth and wholeness can look like for a Three • A simple practice for reconnecting with yourself beneath the doing • A word of encouragement for the Three woman who is tired of performing Scripture Anchor: “For we are God's handiwork, created in Christ Jesus.” Ephesians 2:10 IT IS RELEASED as of TODAY: Wholehearted Enneagram get your copy now! What if transformation doesn't start with trying harder, but with knowing you're already beloved? In my new book, Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved , you'll walk alongside nine women, one for each Type, through stories, Scripture, breath prayers, and tree metaphors that reframe what growth re Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

September 29, 2026Episode 46848 min

The Enneagram Four and Authentic Identity | A Four's Wholehearted Journey with Janay Lanier

Send us Fan Mail Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Four | Episode 4 of 4 What if the number you've been living inside was never really yours? In this episode, Amy sits down with Janay Lanier, a mom of three, worship leader, and longtime friend for one of the most honest and unscripted conversations of the year. Janay spent years identifying as an Enneagram Seven. Energetic, joyful, the person who carries the room. And then motherhood, of all things, gave her fewer places to hide from who she actually was. This is a live, unpolished, real-time conversation, and that's exactly the point. You'll hear about: What it felt like to live inside the Seven story for years, and why it fit well enough to stay The moment in a park with a friend when a single question stopped Janay in her tracks and lit up a million lightbulbs Why Janay resisted the Four because it felt too messy, too unsafe, too much like everything she'd been told not to be How motherhood didn't turn her into someone new; it just gave her fewer places to hide from who she already was The childhood message of not too much, not too little, and how it shaped decades of showing up as someone slightly less than fully herself Sitting in the car with sleeping kids and a Fleetwood Mac song, and finally saying out loud that sounds like a Four The freedom of dropping the shame script and learning to sit with emotion instead of running from it What she told the Lord before she was willing to put on the shoes of a Four, and what shifted when He answered You were never being fake. You just didn't have all the information yet. Connect with Janay on Instagram Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

September 22, 2026Episode 46747 min

Too Much vs. Not Enough | Understanding the Enneagram Type Four with Sonja Scott

Send us Fan Mail Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Four | Episode 3 of 4 What if the thing you've been told is too much... is exactly what the world needs from you? In this episode, Amy sits down with Wholehearted Coach and Type Four Sonja Scott to walk the Victim, Villain, Hero, and Guide framework through the Four's unique lens, and what emerges is one of the most honest maps of the Four's inner landscape this series has offered. Sonja brings both her personal story and her coaching work with women and families to a question every Four has lived: how do you stop erasing yourself long enough to discover that your depth was never the problem? You'll hear about: The rejection wound at the root of the Four's Victim story and how it can quietly become self-rejection Self-erasure as the Four's Villain role, the slow disappearing act that looks like keeping the peace The pivot moment in Sonja's own story that marked the beginning of her second volume Being the hero in everyone else's story before learning to be the hero in your own The difference between carrying someone's story and embodying it and what healthy Guide energy actually looks like for a Four The too much vs. not enough pendulum and the Voice of Love that tells the Four she is exactly right Raising teenagers as a Four and how she is learning to stay attuned without getting stuck in the mud with them Why when we deem parts of ourselves unworthy, we lose our place in the plot of God's story You are not too much. You were made to feel deeply, and the world needs what only you can name. Connect with Sonja Scott: https://www.iamenneanough.com/ or https://www.instagram.com/tscott0523/ Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

September 15, 2026Episode 46637 min

The Enneagram Four and Limitation | Finding God in the Fenced-In Places with Sara Hagerty

Send us Fan Mail Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Four | Episode 2 of 4 What do you do when the limitation won't move? This week, Amy shares the conversation she had with her dear friend and Type Four, Sara Hagerty, author, mother of seven, and one of the most honest voices she knows on grief, hope, and the sacred work of finding God in the fenced-in places. This conversation happened at the 2026 Wholehearted Enneagram Summit , and it is one of the most tender and true exchanges of the year. You'll hear about: The difference between feeling limited and being limited, and why both matter What Sara's son's battle with Lyme disease taught her about mystery, acceptance, and the stories God writes that we would never choose Why grief skipped becomes grumpiness and what it looks like to actually lean in French Fry Beach Night and the surprising gift of marking small celebrations in the middle of profound loss The pilgrimage of slow and what Sara has been learning about her phone, her anxiety, and the frenzy underneath modern life A word for the woman who has been interceding for something to change and wondering if it ever will The unplanned season is not a detour from the story; it is the story. Want to watch this session and the other 28 + bonuses from last week? Get your on-demand pass right here! https://www.simplywholehearted.com/wholehearted-2026 Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

September 8, 2026Episode 46538 min

The Four's Sacred Longing | Beauty, Grief & Trusting God with Deanna Sudom

Send us Fan Mail Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Four | Episode 1 of 4 What does it look like to be the most feeling person in the room… and spend years believing that made you too much? Amy opens Type Four month with something that has never happened in this series before: Deanna Sudom, her trusted colleague and co-teacher all year long, steps out from behind the teaching role and into the guest chair to share her own story as a Type Four. Deanna came to Amy as a coaching client. She did her own wholehearted work. She became a certified Wholehearted Coach. And now she is one of the most trusted voices on Amy's team — a Four who found her way from longing to offering, from feeling too much to giving her depth as a gift. You'll hear about: The Four's core longing to be seen, known, and understood — and the fear that full knowing would mean rejection Why Fours aren't dramatic or self-indulgent — they are among the most honest people you will ever know What envy actually feels like from the inside — and why it is not about wanting what someone else has The Seven-Four dynamic between Amy and Deanna — what complementary opposites look like in a real working relationship How Deanna's own wholehearted journey moved her from client to coach to trusted discernment partner What Fours most need to hear about being known by God without being fixed by Him You are not too much. You were made to feel deeply, and the world needs what only you can name. Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

September 1, 2026Episode 46424 min

When Self-Awareness Isn't Enough | A Taste of the 2026 Wholehearted Enneagram Summit

Send us Fan Mail You've done the work. You know your number, your wing, your stress arrow. And something still feels just out of reach. This week's episode is something a little different, a curated sample from this year's 5th Annual Wholehearted Enneagram Summit, featuring three of the summit's most compelling voices in conversation with Amy. You'll hear: Sam Eldredge ( Enneagram 4) on why so many of us are chasing a polished version of ourselves that will never actually satisfy and why that's not transformation; it's exhaustion Simi John (Enneagram Six) on what burnout actually is, why it keeps finding the same people, and what two years of solitude and inner work taught her about healing Sean Palmer (Enneagram Three) on what the Enneagram offers when life collapses and why your strengths are exactly the wrong tool for getting out Sarah Jackson (Enneagram Six) and I had a conversation on the difference between spiritual hustle and spiritual renewal and what it looks like to give from a well that doesn't run dry Chuck DeGroat (Enneagram on slow, courageous character change, everyday narcissism, and what it actually looks like when the Enneagram becomes a wisdom tool rather than an excuse This is the conversation the summit was built around: the Enneagram can name your patterns. It cannot set you free from them. That's the difference between insight and transformation. The 5th Annual Wholehearted Enneagram Summit runs September 9–11 and is free to attend. Save your seat at https://www.simplywholehearted.com/wholehearted-2026 . And if you want the replays, the workbook, and a pre-release PDF of Amy's new book before it drops October 6th, upgrade to the All-Access Pass for just $47. Come as you are. Let three days do what understanding alone hasn't. Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

August 25, 2026Episode 46341 min

Enneagram Five: From Head Knowledge to Heart Connection | Sherri Hughes-Gragg

Send us Fan Mail Series: Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Five | Episode 4 of 4 Episode Description What does it look like when a Five stops hoarding what she knows... and starts giving it away? Amy closes Type Five month with Sherri Hughes-Gragg, a Christian author and Bible teacher, who joins for one of the most theologically rich conversations of the year. Sherri has spent her career doing what Fives do best: going deeper than anyone else into the culture, history, and geography of Scripture, and then bringing back everything she found as a gift for others. Together, Amy and Sherri explore what it looks like when the Five’s extraordinary interior life stops being a place of retreat and becomes a place of offering, and what it means to linger in the Savior’s presence when your instinct is always to study, prepare, and observe. In this episode: Why the Five’s love of depth and research is not just an intellectual gift, it’s a spiritual one What it actually costs a Five to take what she’s studied in private and offer it publicly What the Five most needs to hear about presence The difference between studying God and being known by Him, and why that distinction matters most for the Five A word for every Five who has been preparing to step forward… and is still waiting until she knows enough You have more to give than you know. And you don’t have to retreat to be safe. Sherri Gragg Bio Sherri Gragg is the author or co-author of ten books, including The Compassionate Christ, The Promised Christ, and the From Where I Stand Bible study series. A cancer survivor and mother of five adult children, Sherri writes about love, mercy, and compassion from her historic home near Nashville, Tennessee. Connect with Sherri: Sherrihughesgragg.com IG: Sherri_gragg FB: @sherrigraggwrites Affiliate links on Amazon: The Promised Christ: 31 Advent Stories that Bring Christmas to Life The Compassionate Christ: Draw Near to the Risen Savior (A 31-Day Devotional Retelling of Stories from the Life of Jesus) Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website

August 18, 2026Episode 46241 min

Observer vs. Participant | Understanding the Enneagram Type Five with Kristen Yeh

Send us Fan Mail Series: Wholehearted Enneagram: A Year Through the Types | Type Five | Episode 3 of 4 What does the VVHG journey look like for a Five who has spent her career helping leaders get out of their heads and into the room? In this episode, Amy talks with Kristen Yeh, a Wholehearted Coach, Type Five, and specialist in business and leadership development who knows from the inside what it’s like to be the most prepared person in the room… and still hold back. Kristen walks through the Victim, Villain, Hero, and Guide framework through a Five lens, drawing on her own story and her work coaching leaders who are ready to stop observing their lives and start inhabiting them. This episode is especially for the analysts, strategists, experts, and quiet leaders in this community, such as the Fives who have brought their knowledge into every room they’ve entered and are ready to find out what it feels like to bring their presence as well. You have more to give than you know. And you don’t have to withdraw to be safe. Connect with Kristen Yeh: https://thriveenneagram.com/leadership Support the show RESOURCES FOR YOU: My book released on October 5th: Wholehearted Enneagram: The Journey from Type to Transformation as God's Beloved Join the Waitlist for 1:1 Coaching with Amy Wicks https://www.simplywholehearted.com/callamywicks Not sure about your Enneagram Type? Start here: https://www.simplywholehearted.com/enneagramquiz Ennea-what? The Beginners Guide to the Enneagram (free course + printables) https://bit.ly/Enneagram101Guide Connect with Amy: IG Website