The Unstarving Musician

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The Unstarving Musician features interviews with independent musicians, songwriters, producers, and music industry professionals who share their experience and expertise on recording, touring, marketing, the business of music, and more. This is all intended to help you, the independent music artists create a sustainable and profitable music career.

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June 5, 2026Episode 3521 hr 26 min

352 Analog on Purpose — How Terry Carleton Built a Career Too Busy to Market

What does it look like to build a recording career so busy you don't have time to market it — and do it entirely without computers? Terry Carleton returns to share what's happened in the two-plus years since his first appearance: a solo album seven years in the making, the completion of his work on the Vince Guaraldi Charlie Brown remix series, and a closer look at how his all-analog, DAW-less production approach actually works in practice — and where it's headed. Terry walks through the making of Ric Shah and the Sandcrabs (From Jupiter), including a title track written as a tribute to his late high school bandmate Mike Perlitch, and how he reconstructed lost guitar tracks recorded by Camel's Andy Latimer using AI audio separation tools — a process he discovered through a Rick Beato video on the making of the Beatles' "Now and Then." He also shares how collaboration works at this level: Andy Latimer, bassist Michael Manring, and Grammy-winning composer Michael Silversher all appear on the album, and Terry explains why that kind of participation has become more accessible in the past decade. Topics we cover include: The DAW-less, all-analog studio workflow — what it enables, what it costs, and what's changing Writing a tribute song in someone else's musical voice Using AI audio separation (Lalal.ai) to reconstruct lost session tracks How remote collaboration with high-caliber musicians has evolved The Vince Guaraldi Charlie Brown remix project — what came out and what's next Why constraints (no undo, no recall) can make a producer a better listener Visit UnstarvingMusician.com for show notes. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

May 22, 2026Episode 35122 min

351 Learning Music Theory as an Adult Musician — A Practical Framework

Most music theory education is built for nineteen-year-olds in a conservatory. If you're a working musician who's been gigging for years on ear, feel, and a handful of chord shapes, that path doesn't fit your life — and it doesn't have to. In this deep-dive, Robonzo breaks down a four-part framework for adult musicians who want to finally crack music theory and reading without quitting their job, abandoning their gigs, or pretending they're starting from zero. The framework comes from a conversation with drummer, vocalist, and podcaster Dave Hamilton from way back in Episode 13 — and it's the cleanest, most adult-friendly roadmap Robonzo has come across. The episode covers why piano is the right tool for the job (even if it isn't your instrument), how chord construction and the 1-4-5 unlock most of popular music, why guitar chord charts make brilliant practice material, and the concrete revenue case for learning to read music as a working musician. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

May 8, 2026Episode 35056 min

350 The Event Band Income Model — Cory Wade

Most musicians think of wedding and corporate gig work as a compromise — something you do until your "real" music career takes off. Cory Wade flipped that script. As a vocalist and band leader with Hank Lane Music in New York, Cory has built a sustainable income through high-end event entertainment that funds his home studio, his original music, and a life in one of the most expensive cities on the planet. In this conversation, Cory shares how the Hank Lane model actually works from the inside — what it takes to get in, how to stay in, and how the compensation structure progresses from entry-level to band leader. He breaks down the seasonal income model (busy season, dead season, and why the off-season is prime time for original music), the mindset shift that separates musicians who thrive in event work from those who burn out, and the step-by-step approach he used to build a fully functional home studio from live performance income. Cory also gets candid about navigating identity after America's Next Top Model, the 8-9 year hiatus from releasing original music, and why he now sees event entertainment — what he calls "unsung hero music" — as a genuine artistic calling rather than a day job. Visit UnstarvingMusician.com for links to things mentioned in this episode. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

April 24, 2026Episode 34917 min

349 The House Concert Business Framework: How Independent Artists Create Their Own Market

Most independent musicians are competing for the same shrinking pool of venue slots, hoping someone books them. House concerts flip that model entirely — and the artists who've figured this out aren't just playing more shows. They're making more money, building deeper connections with audiences, and owning the entire experience. This episode presents a framework built from five conversations on The Unstarving Musician, including singer-songwriter Tom Meny, Amy Killingsworth of Amy & Gary's House Concerts, touring artist Shannon Curtis, Nicole Wagner (Austin-based singer-songwriter), and an earlier solo episode dedicated to this topic. Together, these conversations form a complete operational picture — from why house concerts outperform venues on every measurable metric to exactly how to build your own touring circuit without a booker, a bouncer, or a bartender. You'll come away understanding what makes these events work, how to break into the scene, what hosts actually need from performing artists, how to build your own audience instead of borrowing one, and the economics that make this model worth pursuing. The market doesn't find you. You build it. For show notes, visit UnstarvingMusician.com Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

April 10, 2026Episode 3481 hr 1 min

348 Why Sync Licensing Is a Relationship Business – with Chris SD of Sync Songwriter

Most independent musicians trying to break into sync licensing are focused on the wrong problem. They're concerned about mix quality, metadata, and whether their instrumental version is ready. And those things matter. But according to Chris SD, founder of Sync Songwriter, they're not what's standing between your music and a placement in film or television. The real barrier is access — and access comes from relationships, not submissions. Chris built his reputation over years of networking, conferences, phone calls, and showing up in person — and once literally taking a music supervisor to a beach picnic. Those relationships are now the foundation of what he offers his students: not just sync education, but direct introductions to the gatekeepers who make placement decisions. Two of his students had five songs placed in Anora, the film that won multiple Oscars in 2025. His take on how that happened is straightforward — they had relationships with the supervisor, and theirs was the right music for the project. In this conversation, Chris shares what sync-ready actually means (and why production is the easier part of the problem), why writing for your fans beats writing for sync every time, how he built trust with music supervisors that now extends to his students, and why AI's impact on the sync landscape isn't as dire as many independent artists fear. Show notes for this episode at UnstarvingMusician.com. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

March 20, 2026Episode 3471 hr 8 min

347 Physical Products That Actually Make Money – Thom Skarzynski

Independent musicians with loyal fanbases are leaving significant revenue on the table by treating physical products as afterthoughts. Vinyl, CDs, and cassettes aren't nostalgia plays—they're strategic revenue channels when approached with the same rigor labels apply to streaming campaigns. Thom Skarzynski is the founder of Happiness Marketing, a physical-first music strategy consultancy. Tom has twenty years of industry experience, including roles at Epic Records, Spotify, and Atlantic Music Group. He helped deliver campaigns like the one supporting the Twenty One Pilots' album Clancy, which sold 143,000 units in its first week (streaming alone would have generated ~28K). The following year, Thome helped their album Breach sell nearly 170,000 physical units out of 200,000 total first-week sales. In this conversation, Thom breaks down the economics of physical products at an independent scale, how to forecast demand, manage manufacturing risk, price strategically, and design packaging that fans actually want to own. He explains why direct-to-consumer isn't just a transactional layer but an operating system for fandom, and why shipping generic packages with no personal touch leaves both money and loyalty on the table. Find Thom and his work at happiness.llc. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

March 6, 2026Episode 34647 min

346 Christal Hector – How Independent Venues Actually Evaluate Artists

Most independent artists treat venue booking like throwing darts in the dark—mass outreach with generic pitches, hoping something sticks. Christal Hector, founder of TuneHatch and member of the National Independent Venue Association's Industry Affairs Committee, explains what actually happens on the other side of that email. TuneHatch was built venues-first, solving venue problems before creating artist tools. That origin gives Christal an insider perspective most artists never get: what venues actually look for when evaluating artists, what makes them say yes to a show, and what behaviors separate artists who get booked repeatedly from those who struggle. In this conversation, we dig into the frameworks behind successful booking and touring. You'll learn the venue's mental checklist when an artist reaches out, what proof points actually matter beyond social media followers, how to approach booking systematically instead of randomly, and what makes touring financially and energetically sustainable. Find links to things mentioned in this episode at UnstarvingMusician.com Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

February 20, 2026Episode 3451 hr 6 min

345 The Session Musician's 50-Year Career Blueprint with Johnny Thirkell

Most musicians dream of stability. Johnny Thirkell built a 50-year career with David Bowie, Paul McCartney, George Michael, and The Who - starting from colliery bands and working men's clubs in the North East. This isn't about talent. It's about the business systems that keep session musicians working for decades while others struggle after a few years. Johnny shares the relationship-building frameworks that get you in the room with major artists, the professional standards that ensure callbacks, and the economic strategies that survive massive industry changes - from the 1970s studio system to today's remote recording reality. Whether you're building a session career or any sustainable music business, the principles are the same: systematic relationship management, clear professional standards, and strategic adaptation to industry shifts. Topics covered: How session musicians actually get hired by major artists The relationship maintenance framework that creates repeat clients over decades Pricing strategies for session work Professional studio standards that ensure callbacks Adapting to 50 years of technology and industry changes Why "Blown It!!" became a book instead of staying as stories Career longevity principles that transfer to independent artists Show Notes Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

February 6, 2026Episode 34423 min

344 The Economics of Niche Markets for Creatives

What if the best business decision you could make is accepting your music is "unmarketable"? Not in the sense that nobody wants it—but that it won't compete for Spotify playlists alongside mainstream artists. This episode breaks down the economics of niche markets for independent musicians. How rejecting the streaming-everywhere model can actually generate more revenue. How owning your niche creates competitive advantages algorithm-dependent artists will never have. And the framework for deciding which platforms actually serve your music versus which ones waste your time for pennies. Drawing on insights from multi-instrumentalist Abe Partridge, we explore the deliberate choice some artists make: keeping certain projects off major streaming platforms because the economics don't work—and focusing instead on direct sales, live performance, and owned audience relationships. Topics covered: The streaming paradox for niche artists (why being everywhere means being nowhere) How to evaluate whether streaming platforms serve your music Revenue comparison: streaming vs. direct sales vs. live performance Abe Partridge's strategic approach to platform selection Owning your niche vs. competing with the entire music industry The role of professional representation in niche careers Framework for making strategic distribution decisions Building direct sales infrastructure (physical and digital) Creating owned audience relationships independent of algorithms When to abandon streaming entirely vs. selective streaming This isn't about being anti-streaming—it's about being strategic. Understanding where your music fits in the market and building your business model around that reality instead of fighting it. Show Notes at UnstarvingMusician.com. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube

January 28, 2026Episode 34333 min

343 The Pre-Streaming Revenue Model: Dollars Before Pennies

Most independent artists release their albums everywhere immediately—Spotify, Apple Music, every streaming platform. But what if that's backwards? Ezra Vancil sold his last album exclusively to his email list for an entire year before releasing it to streaming platforms. His new album? He's using a hybrid approach: limited streaming presence while keeping the full album direct-only. The math is stark. One direct sale at $10 nets you $8-10 after platform fees. To earn that same amount from streaming, you need 20,000-25,000 plays. If your average listener streams your 10-song album twice—that's 20 streams per person—you need 1,000-1,250 listeners to equal one direct sale. This episode breaks down the pre-streaming revenue model: how to capture direct sales from your email list first, then add streaming revenue second. You'll learn the hybrid access strategy, pricing frameworks for digital and physical products, and the step-by-step implementation process for 3-month, 6-month, or 12-month pre-streaming windows. Topics covered: Why streaming-first leaves money on the table from fans ready to pay directly The four-component framework: email list foundation, pre-release window, hybrid access, direct sales mechanism How Ezra's monthly singles strategy creates discovery while protecting direct revenue The 8-step implementation process from email list foundation to streaming transition Pricing strategy for digital albums, physical products, and deluxe bundles When to transition from direct-only to full streaming availability If you have an email list—even 100-200 engaged people—this strategy can generate significantly more revenue than releasing to streaming platforms first. Links to related episodes and things mentioned in this episode. Support the Unstarving Musician The Unstarving Musician exists solely through the generosity of its listeners, readers, and viewers. Learn how you can offer your support at UnstarvingMusician.com/CrowdSponsor This episode was brought to you by Podcast Startup. Ready to launch your podcast or take it to the next level? Podcast Startup gives you the frameworks, systems, and insider knowledge to build a show that actually grows your audience and serves your goals. Whether you're just getting started or looking to improve your existing podcast, you'll get actionable strategies on equipment selection, content planning, audience building, and sustainable production workflows—without the overwhelm. Learn more at UnstarvingMusician.com/PodcastStartup. Join podcasters who are building shows that last. Resources The Unstarving Musician's Guide to Getting Paid Gigs, by Robonzo Dreamhost – See the latest deals from Dreamhost, save money and support the UM in the process. More Resources for musicians Pardon the Disclosure: Some of the links in this post are affiliate links. This means I make a small commission, at no extra charge to you, if you purchase using those links. Thanks for your support! Stay in touch! @RobonzoDrummer on Instagram @UnstarvingMusician on Facebook and YouTube