The Mindful CEO

Hosted by Aaron Hendon and Chris Angell

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June 16, 202628 min

Calling It Forward

Show Notes Summary What does it actually take to bring something meaningful into the world? In this conversation, Chris and Aaron explore the invisible forces behind finishing books, launching ideas, building businesses, and pursuing work that matters. They unpack the role of attention, vision, feedback, relationships, and future possibility in creating momentum without falling into hustle culture. Along the way, they challenge the myth that aligned action always feels easy and offer a more grounded perspective on growth: meaningful work often asks something of us, but when it's connected to a compelling future, effort becomes purpose rather than grind. Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World→ https://thegratefulbreath.com  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less→ https://www.therealtorsedge.com  Find Aaron’s course on Stan.store here:→ https://www.stan.store/realtorsedge   Episode Outline 1. The TED Talk and the Attention Crisis Aaron shares his TED Talk proposal Why phones aren't the real problem Attention as a trainable skill 2. Bringing Something Into the World Writing books, creating talks, building businesses The challenge of holding attention over time Why meaningful projects require intentional focus 3. When Purpose Turns Into Grind The tension between aligned action and difficult action Why meaningful work isn't always effortless Cleaning the cat box still counts 4. The Power of Future Pull Vision as a source of energy Creating a future worth moving toward Why goals alone often aren't enough 5. Relationships Over Transactions The long game of connection Communities, conversations, and opportunity How business grows through authentic relationships 6. Creating Conditions for Momentum Environment matters Surrounding yourself with people moving in a similar direction Removing friction from growth 7. Feedback Without Defensiveness Learning to value feedback over ego Growth through awareness Becoming more committed to improvement than comfort 8. Calling It Forward The role of leadership in creating possibility Letting go of limitations that no longer serve Choosing action in service of a bigger future  

June 7, 202649 min

A Zen Mind | Interview with Jo Rose

In a Mindful CEO live event, Aaron interviews Jo Rose, founder and host of the Spotify Zen meditation podcast “A Zen Mind Guided Meditations” and CEO of Ascension Global Enterprise, a wellness media company focused on guided meditation, nervous system regulation, and neuroscience education. Jo shares how meditation helped her recover from PNES and severe night terrors during college, how she created five meditations in 2020, and how she revived the project in May 2023 while working in New York, growing from about 40,000 listeners to nearly 25 million with 1.2 million downloads per month. They discuss “McMindfulness,” arguing mindfulness is a way of being rather than a corporate productivity tool, and emphasize attention agency, presence in daily activities, and asking “why” to interrupt automatic habits like doomscrolling.

June 2, 202642 min

Aligned Action from Your “Encodings”

Show Notes Most business advice starts with what you should do. This conversation starts somewhere different. Chris and Aaron explore the idea of "encodings," the natural abilities, interests, and patterns that seem to come preloaded into each of us. Drawing on insights from Jim Collins and their own entrepreneurial journeys, they unpack why so many leaders burn themselves out trying to follow someone else's playbook. The deeper question isn't whether action matters. It does. The question is whether your actions are aligned with how you're actually wired. If you've ever felt successful on paper but disconnected from the work itself, this episode offers a different lens for creating momentum, fulfillment, and results. Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World→ https://thegratefulbreath.com  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less→ https://www.therealtorsedge.com  Find Aaron’s course on Stan.store here:→ https://www.stan.store/realtorsedge Episode Outline 1. The Manifesting vs. Action Debate Why action still matters, and why the real conversation lives somewhere deeper. 2. Jim Collins and the Idea of Encodings The difference between learned competence and natural wiring. 3. The Trap of Borrowed Playbooks How professionals adopt industry norms without considering their own strengths. 4. Looking Back Instead of Looking Forward Why clues to your calling are usually found in your history, not your imagination. 5. Forced Action vs. Aligned Action The energy difference between doing what works and doing what fits. 6. Aaron's Pattern of Reinvention The relationship between passion, longevity, and sustainable effort. 7. Designing a Business Around Your Wiring What happens when you build around your natural gifts instead of your weaknesses. 8. The Infinite Game of Meaningful Work Why fulfillment often comes from expressing who you already are.    

May 26, 202638 min

The Hidden Advantage of Curiosity

Show Notes Summary What if curiosity is more than a personality trait? What if it’s one of the most practical business advantages a leader can cultivate? In this episode, Chris and Aaron explore the relationship between curiosity, growth, identity, health, leadership, and meaningful work. The conversation moves far beyond productivity hacks and into the deeper question many founders quietly wrestle with: how do you keep growing without becoming numb, rigid, or disconnected from yourself? Through stories, humor, frustration, and reflection, they unpack how curiosity creates movement where shame, certainty, and burnout tend to create stagnation. This is a conversation for thoughtful business owners who want sustainable growth without losing their humanity in the process.   Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World→ https://thegratefulbreath.com  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less→ https://www.therealtorsedge.com  Find Aaron’s course on Stan.store here:→ https://www.stan.store/realtorsedge   Episode Outline 1. The Health Journey Opener Chris and Aaron joke about weight loss, discipline, and the emotional tension around personal change. 2. Why Results Alone Eventually Stop Motivating Us The conversation explores why external goals often lose emotional pull over time. 3. Curiosity as an Infinite Game Aaron and Chris unpack curiosity as a sustainable fuel source for growth and transformation. 4. The Trap of Hustle Culture Certainty How rigid identity, overconfidence, and performative productivity disconnect leaders from real learning. 5. Curiosity Creates Psychological Flexibility The hosts discuss how curiosity softens defensiveness and opens space for evolution. 6. Building Businesses Around Exploration A deeper conversation about creating businesses, communities, and cultures that reward discovery instead of exhaustion. 7. Future Pull vs Shame Push The distinction between being pulled toward possibility versus pushed by fear, guilt, or inadequacy. 8. Leadership Through Openness Why the best leaders often ask better questions instead of pretending to already have all the answers.

May 19, 202641 min

Ace Your Day with Shawn Kunkler

Show Notes Summary What happens when successful people realize the game they’ve been playing is exhausting them? In this conversation, Chris Angell, Aaron Hendon, and Shawn Kunkler explore the tension between achievement and presence, especially inside industries obsessed with production, image, and constant striving. They unpack what mindful leadership actually looks like in the real world, why so many professionals feel disconnected despite outward success, and how authentic conversations can create a different way of working and living. This episode is less about tactics and more about reclaiming humanity in a culture that rewards performance over connection. Learn more about Shawn Kunkler and Ace Your Day: homewardassociates.com  shawnkunkler.com fifteenminutemomentum.com  Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World→ https://thegratefulbreath.com  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less→ https://www.therealtorsedge.com  Find Aaron’s course on Stan.store here:→ https://www.stan.store/realtorsedge Episode Outline Opening reflections on mindfulness and “one moment at a time” Why The Mindful CEO started as a reaction to hustle culture Shawn Kunkler’s journey and the origins of Realtor180 The emotional cost of production first business culture Real estate, identity, ego, and the pressure to perform What authentic leadership and human connection actually require Creating meaningful conversations instead of transactional networking Redefining success through presence, purpose, and alignment

May 12, 202638 min

I don't want to work that hard (and other confessions)

Show Notes Summary What happens when the goals you’ve been chasing stop feeling meaningful? In this candid conversation, Chris and Aaron unpack the tension many thoughtful entrepreneurs feel between wanting growth and refusing to sacrifice themselves to hustle culture. They explore why traditional motivation eventually breaks down, how shallow goals quietly drain energy, and what it looks like to build a future that genuinely pulls you forward. This episode is less about productivity and more about the deeper question underneath it all: what kind of life is actually worth organizing yourself around?   Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World→ https://thegratefulbreath.com  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less→ https://www.therealtorsedge.com  Find Aaron’s course on Stan.store here:→ https://www.stan.store/realtorsedge Episode Outline Confessions, vulnerability, and why transparency matters The hidden exhaustion underneath self improvement culture Why external goals stop motivating thoughtful people The difference between pressure and future pull Business purpose versus personal purpose The problem with shallow definitions of success Aligned action versus alpha grind culture Creating an infinite game worth becoming for

May 5, 202635 min

9D Transformational Breathwork with Tabatha DeBruyn

SHOW NOTES SUMMARY What happens when the strategies stop working… and the real work begins? In this episode, we sit down with Tabatha DeBruyn to explore transformational breathwork as a doorway into the emotional and energetic layers most leaders avoid. This isn’t about productivity hacks or mindset tricks. It’s about what’s underneath the drive, the pressure, and the constant doing. We talk about control, surrender, stored emotion, and why the next level of leadership may require feeling more, not pushing harder. Learn more about Tabatha at: https://www.tabatha.online  Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World → https://thegratefulbreath.com/ Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less → https://www.therealtorsedge.com/ EPISODE OUTLINE Why High Performers Hit a Ceiling The moment when strategy stops being the answer What Breathwork Actually Is (And Isn’t) Moving beyond the woo or skepticism into lived experience Stored Emotion in the Body How unprocessed experiences shape behavior and leadership Control vs Surrender in Business The tension leaders feel but rarely name What Happens in a Breathwork Session The real mechanics and emotional range people experience Leadership After Emotional Release How clarity, decisions, and relationships shift The Future of Conscious Leadership Why this kind of work is becoming less optional

April 28, 202651 min

Quantum Success with Russell Nohelty

SHOW NOTES SUMMARY What if success isn’t about pushing harder, but about aligning deeper? In this conversation with Russell Nohelty, the guys explore what it means to build a business that actually feels good to live inside of. This isn’t theory. It’s the messy, real-world tension between making money and making meaning. They unpack creativity, identity, and the quiet realization that most people are chasing outcomes that don’t actually satisfy them. If you’ve ever felt successful on paper but off-center in your life, this conversation will land. Learn more about Russell at: https://www.hapitalist.com/  Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World → https://thegratefulbreath.com/  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less → https://www.therealtorsedge.com/   EPISODE OUTLINE Meeting Russell and the Hapitalist Why traditional success models stop working The trap of building a business you don’t want to live in Creativity as a path, not just a product Making money without abandoning yourself Letting go of external validation as the scoreboard Redefining success on your own terms

April 21, 202641 min

Imposter Syndrome with Chris Miller

Show Notes Summary Most leaders assume imposter syndrome is just insecurity. In this conversation, Chris Miller breaks down why it’s often a deeper pattern tied to identity, success, stress, and survival. We explore how capable people become trapped in overworking, second guessing, and chasing proof they’re enough. If you’ve built something meaningful but still feel like you’re one mistake away from being exposed, this episode offers a smarter path forward, one rooted in awareness, resilience, and real confidence. Learn more about Chris Miller→ https://www.theleadershipmovement.net Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World→ https://thegratefulbreath.com  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less→ https://www.therealtorsedge.com  Find Aaron’s course on Stan.store here:→ https://www.stan.store/realtorsedge Episode Outline 1. Opening Banter and 136 Episodes In Chris and Aaron reflect on consistency, staying in the game, and what it means to keep showing up. 2. Meet Chris Miller Chris shares his unconventional rise into leadership, executive roles, and learning through experience instead of traditional paths. 3. The Cost of Success Without Self Trust How high achievers compensate with long hours, pressure, and proving energy. 4. What Imposter Syndrome Really Is Why it’s more than self doubt, and how identity distortion fuels it. 5. Why Capable People Struggle Most The surprising link between competence and feeling like you don’t belong. 6. Rebuilding Confidence Through Evidence How to interrupt false stories and reconnect with what’s actually true. 7. Failure, Recovery, and Trying Again Why resilience matters more than certainty. 8. Final Thoughts and Where to Find Chris Chris shares details about his upcoming book Impostor and podcast.

April 14, 202638 min

Seeking vs Seeing with Kushal Choksi

Most entrepreneurs are taught to seek. More clients, more revenue, more growth. And while that drive builds businesses, it often carries an underlying tension that never quite resolves. In this episode, we explore the deeper distinction between seeking and seeing, and how that subtle shift changes everything from how you lead to how you experience your work. This isn’t about slowing down or giving up ambition. It’s about operating from a place that no longer needs the outcome to feel complete, and discovering what becomes possible when your work comes from awareness instead of lack. Learn more about How to Live a Grateful Life in a Fucked Up World→ https://thegratefulbreath.com  Learn more about From Hustle to Flow: Sell more by stressing less→ https://www.therealtorsedge.com  Find Aaron’s course on Stan.store here:→ https://www.stan.store/realtorsedge   EPISODE OUTLINE Opening: The invisible tension behind “success” Defining seeking vs seeing in real terms How seeking shows up in business decisions The emotional cost of chasing outcomes What shifts when you move into seeing Maintaining ambition without attachment Practical awareness in leadership and conversations Closing: What becomes possible from this place