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This is a place for education, inspiration, and entertainment. Our mission is to help as many hair pros, salon, and barbershop owners as possible by sharing our stories, experiences, and thoughts on business.

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June 15, 2026Episode 24932 min

How We'd Build Hello Hair Again (Much Faster) [EP:249]

"Send us a message!"If we had to start over tomorrow, would we build a different salon?Not really.But we'd absolutely build it faster.In this episode, we break down the biggest lessons we've learned from building Hello Hair Co. over the last six years. From hiring, pricing, education, marketing, leadership, one-on-one meetings, apprenticeships, and long-term thinking, we share what we'd do differently if we were opening a business today.We also talk about the mistakes we made, the things we got right, and why experience often isn't about discovering new answers, it's about recognizing the right answers sooner.If you're building a salon, thinking about opening one, or simply trying to grow the business you already have, this episode will help you avoid some of the lessons that took us years to learn.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And sometimes the biggest advantage isn't knowing more, it's moving faster.Key TakeawaysHire for your framework, not around it. One-on-one meetings build stronger teams than staff meetings. Stop trying to make everyone happy. Marketing is an investment, not an expense. Pricing should be built on math, not hope. Education works best when expectations are clear. Most business advice is attached to someone else's goals. Facebook is not a substitute for business strategy. Mission, vision, and core values simplify decisions. Experience often comes down to recognizing the right answers sooner.Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + learning alongside your team 01:30 — You're not the main character in someone else's story 02:00 — If we opened a salon tomorrow... 03:00 — What we'd do differently first 04:00 — Understanding leases and business foundations 05:00 — Hiring slower and hiring for the framework 05:30 — One-on-one meetings and leadership 07:00 — Worrying less about people leaving 09:00 — Why clarity beats people-pleasing 11:00 — Investing in marketing sooner 13:00 — The long game of SEO and Google 14:00 — Optimizing salon space for growth 16:00 — Simplifying pricing and profitability 19:00 — Improving the hiring process 21:00 — Education: what we got right 22:00 — Pushing people too quickly 24:00 — Business advice we'd completely ignore 25:00 — Why Facebook isn't your business mentor 26:00 — Mission, vision, and core values 28:00 — The story behind Hello Hair Co. 31:00 — The biggest lesson: speed mattersLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

June 8, 2026Episode 24847 min

Why Some Salon Owners Keep Growing While Others Plateau [EP:248]

"Send us a message!"Why do some salon owners continue growing year after year while others seem to hit a ceiling?It's rarely talent.It's rarely luck.And it's almost never because one owner knows some secret that everyone else doesn't.In this episode, we break down the mindset shifts, habits, leadership decisions, and business fundamentals that separate growing salon owners from those who get stuck.We talk about better questions, long-term thinking, fear-based decision making, apprenticeships, leadership, client retention, culture, systems, and why so many owners spend their time chasing tactics instead of strengthening their foundations.If you've ever felt stuck, overwhelmed, or unsure of your next step as a salon owner, this episode will help you identify what's really holding your business back and what to focus on instead.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts by focusing on the things that actually create long-term growth.Key TakeawaysGrowing owners focus on fundamentals instead of tactics. Better questions lead to better business decisions. More clients are not always the solution. Fear-based decisions keep businesses stuck. Accountability and difficult conversations matter. Long-term thinking creates compounding results. Apprenticeships can be a powerful growth strategy. Copying competitors rarely creates lasting success. Clients buy certainty, not just services. Growth often comes from refinement rather than expansion. Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + a listener raises her prices 03:30 — Madison's raise and apprenticeship success 05:00 — Why conformity hurts salon growth 08:30 — Growing apprentices vs holding people back 09:30 — Why some salons plateau 10:00 — Fundamentals vs tactics 12:00 — Better questions create better answers 13:00 — "More clients" isn't always the answer 15:00 — Solving problems for the clients you already have 16:00 — Why growth-focused owners think differently 17:00 — Fear-based decision making 19:00 — Raising standards and accountability 21:00 — Difficult conversations matter 24:00 — Long-term thinking and business vision 25:00 — Why owners abandon ideas too early 27:00 — Mission, vision, and consistency 28:00 — Apprenticeships as a long-term investment 30:00 — Meetings, systems, and follow-through 32:00 — The marathon mindset 33:00 — Industry trends and copying competitors 35:00 — Borrow principles, build your own business 38:00 — Recipes vs techniques in business 39:00 — The core experience clients actually buy 41:00 — Refining before expanding 42:00 — Education, advancement, and opportunity 44:00 — Why people stay (or leave) 45:00 — The fundamentals behind long-term growthLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

June 1, 2026Episode 24750 min

The Salon Industry's Biggest Money Mistake [EP:247]

"Send us a message!"Most salon owners spend years learning how to do hair, but very little time learning how money actually works inside a business.That's a problem.In this episode, we break down some of the biggest misconceptions salon owners have about commission, pricing, profit, payroll, compensation, and financial sustainability.We talk about why so many owners make decisions based on fear instead of math, why commission percentages are often misunderstood, and how short-term thinking creates long-term problems for both owners and stylists.We also share real examples from our own salon, including conversations with staff about compensation, common mistakes we see throughout the industry, and why healthy businesses create opportunity, stability, education, and growth—not just bigger commission checks.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts with understanding where the money actually goes.Key TakeawaysCompensation is about far more than commission rates. Pricing must support the entire business. Fear causes owners to make poor financial decisions. Commission percentages are often misunderstood. Sustainable businesses create long-term opportunities. Education and leadership are forms of compensation. Profit is necessary for growth and stability. Revenue and profit are not the same thing. Owners must understand where every dollar goes. Healthy businesses create clarity, stability, and opportunity.Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + Brooke's haircutting education win 04:00 — Solving behavior problems as an owner 06:00 — Why compensation conversations go wrong 08:00 — Where money actually goes in a salon 10:00 — Pricing must cover the entire business 12:00 — Why copy-and-paste business models fail 15:00 — The commission rate trap 16:00 — The stylist who chose less money 18:00 — Sustainability vs percentages 20:00 — What employees actually want 22:00 — Leadership creates opportunity 25:00 — Building a compensation package 29:00 — Why owners make bad money decisions 30:00 — Fear, underpricing, and scarcity thinking 34:00 — Why hope isn't a strategy 37:00 — Compensation for owners matters too 39:00 — Why profit isn't evil 41:00 — Revenue vs profit explained 44:00 — Risk, responsibility, and ownership 47:00 — What healthy salons actually look like 49:00 — Final thoughtsLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

May 25, 2026Episode 24643 min

Why the Salon Industry Will Do Anything But Hair [EP:246]

"Send us a message!"Somewhere along the way, parts of the salon industry stopped focusing on hair.Now it feels like everyone is chasing trends, distractions, aesthetics, side hustles, “luxury experiences,” influencer content, and anything else they can add to their business while ignoring the fundamentals that actually create loyal clients.In this episode, we break down why so many salons are trying to solve business problems with gimmicks rather than strengthening their services, systems, communication, and client experience.We talk about performative luxury, social media trends, weak retention, copycat marketing, hospitality vs service, client psychology, and why consistency matters far more than novelty.We also share real examples from our own salon, lessons from other industries, and the simple things that actually create long-term loyalty and trust with clients.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts with mastering the thing you’re actually supposed to do.Key TakeawaysMany salons are focused on distractions instead of fundamentals. Clients care more about consistency than trends. Most salon marketing is aimed at other stylists, not clients. “Performative luxury” is not the same as great service. Hospitality should support the service, not replace it. Weak retention cannot be fixed with gimmicks. Copying trends is not innovation. Strong salons solve client problems directly. Relationships and communication drive long-term loyalty. Great businesses strengthen fundamentals before adding complexity.Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + restaurant experience opening take 06:00 — “The industry will do anything but hair” 07:00 — Salons becoming coffee shops and retail stores 08:00 — Marketing to other stylists instead of clients 10:00 — Performative luxury and trend culture 12:00 — Hospitality vs actual service 13:00 — What clients really want from salons 15:00 — Why most social media content misses the mark 16:00 — Consistency creates trust 17:00 — Trends vs true innovation 18:00 — Solving client problems vs copying trends 19:00 — Why salons keep adding distractions 21:00 — Retail, candles, food, and side quests 22:00 — Lessons from the fitness industry 24:00 — Weak fundamentals and underpricing 26:00 — Discounts and attracting the wrong clients 28:00 — Why gimmicks don’t fix retention 29:00 — What actually creates long-term loyalty 31:00 — Relationships, professionalism, and communication 34:00 — Hospitality done correctly 36:00 — Consistency and predictable experiences 38:00 — Tier A salons focus on depth 40:00 — Questions salon owners should actually ask 41:00 — Weak businesses add complexity 42:00 — Final thoughts: stop avoiding the fundamentalsLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

May 18, 2026Episode 24544 min

Lessons Salon Owners Learn the Hard Way [EP:245]

"Send us a message!"Most salon owners don’t fail because they aren’t working hard enough.They fail because they focus on the wrong things.In this episode, we break down some of the biggest misconceptions salon owners have about business growth, from believing more clients will solve everything, to confusing being busy with being profitable, to thinking culture happens automatically.We also talk about leadership, systems, retention, communication, pricing, long-term thinking, and why clarity matters far more than “freedom” in a salon environment.This episode is packed with lessons that most owners only learn after years of stress, burnout, mistakes, and experience.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts with focusing on what actually moves the business forward.Key TakeawaysGreat technical skill does not automatically create a successful business. More clients often amplify existing business problems. Retention matters more than random traffic. Being busy is not the same as being profitable. Owners who stay overwhelmed cannot lead effectively. Culture must be reinforced intentionally over time. Strong leadership requires difficult conversations. Clarity and expectations reduce confusion and stress. Freedom without systems creates instability. Long-term thinking shapes stronger businesses. Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + opening takes 01:00 — Leading by example as an owner 03:00 — Why owners spread themselves too thin 05:00 — Growth without systems creates chaos 06:00 — Great hair alone doesn’t create success 08:00 — Why more clients won’t solve your problems 10:00 — Groupon clients and weak retention 11:00 — More clients amplify weak systems 14:00 — Busy doesn’t mean profitable 16:00 — The danger of overwhelmed owners 18:00 — The “messy middle” of business ownership 19:00 — Activity vs real progress 20:00 — Why culture doesn’t happen automatically 24:00 — Nice leadership vs strong leadership 27:00 — Why clarity matters more than comfort 30:00 — Freedom without structure creates problems 32:00 — What stylists actually want from leaders 35:00 — Small touch points build strong culture 36:00 — Why unhappy people rarely tell you directly 40:00 — Working harder won’t fix everything 42:00 — Long-term thinking changes everythingLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

May 11, 2026Episode 24443 min

Salon Owners Are Solving the Wrong Problems [EP:244]

"Send us a message!"Salon owners everywhere are asking the same questions:“How do I hire stylists?” “How do I fill my suites?” “How do I attract better people?”But what if the real problem is that most salons are still trying to solve outdated problems?In this episode, we break down why the salon industry shifted so dramatically around 2020, how owners responded in ways that often made things worse, and what modern stylists are actually looking for today.We talk about overwhelm, burnout, isolation, leadership, growth, mentorship, financial instability, social media pressure, and why offering snacks, towel service, and “flexibility” isn’t enough anymore.We also share lessons from our own failures, including what went wrong in previous businesses, how we rebuilt differently with Hello Hair Co., and what we believe the strongest salons are doing right today.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts with solving the right problems.Key TakeawaysMost salons are still trying to solve outdated industry problems. Stylists are looking for support, clarity, stability, and growth. “Freedom and flexibility” alone do not build strong businesses. Snacks, towel service, and perks are not meaningful differentiators. Isolation and burnout are major issues in modern salon culture. Strong leadership and accountability help people grow. Social media pressure is overwhelming many stylists. Growth plans and mentorship create long-term retention. Financial instability cannot be solved by simply increasing commission. Great salons remove burdens instead of just adding features.Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + Sweetheart Dance recap 04:00 — Starbucks and the illusion of “premium” experiences 06:00 — Why salons are still solving outdated problems 08:00 — Snacks, towel service, and meaningless perks 09:00 — Isolation, burnout, and overwhelm in the industry 10:00 — Jen on closing her first salon and learning leadership 13:00 — Copycat salon culture and bad business advice 15:00 — Starting Hello differently after failure 17:00 — The “freedom and flexibility” era explained 20:00 — Why the industry misunderstood what stylists wanted 22:00 — Escaping bad leadership vs rejecting structure 23:00 — Why accountability actually helps people grow 25:00 — Social media overwhelm and unrealistic expectations 27:00 — Isolation in suites, booths, and disconnected salons 29:00 — Why growth and mentorship matter so much 31:00 — Gatekeeping knowledge hurts salons 32:00 — Commission, percentages, and financial instability 34:00 — Pressure to perform and influencer culture 36:00 — Weak commission vs weak rental salons 38:00 — Marketing your salon to attract the right people 40:00 — Features vs outcomes in salon marketing 41:00 — Removing burdens instead of adding perks 42:00 — Final thoughts: building better salon environmentsLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

May 4, 2026Episode 24343 min

Why Salon Owners and Stylists Clash (And How to Fix It) [EP:243]

"Send us a message!"There’s a disconnect in the salon industry.Salon owners often feel like they’re leading, building, and protecting a business, while stylists often feel controlled, underpaid, or misunderstood.In this episode, we break down why that disconnect exists and why neither side is completely wrong.We talk about money, communication, expectations, structure, fairness, and the real differences between what owners experience and what stylists see day to day.We also share real examples from our own salon, including how small misunderstandings turn into bigger problems, why transparency matters, and how better communication can completely change a team dynamic.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts with understanding both sides.Key TakeawaysMost salon conflict comes from misunderstanding, not bad intent. Stylists often misunderstand how money flows in a business. Owners underestimate how unclear communication creates frustration. Commission is not “giving money away,” it’s structured compensation. Fairness does not mean everyone is treated the same. Structure is meant to create clarity, not control. Freedom without systems leads to burnout and inconsistency. Owners carry significantly more financial and operational risk. Small unresolved issues eventually become major culture problems. Explaining the “why” builds trust and team alignment.Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + opening takes 01:00 — Team outing + yoga night takeaway 03:00 — Helping vs enabling in business 05:00 — Why owners and stylists misunderstand each other 06:30 — Communication breakdown between both sides 07:30 — Money misunderstandings explained 09:00 — Commission vs “giving money away” mindset 11:00 — Owner expenses most stylists never see 13:00 — Why most salons are just surviving 15:00 — Explaining money builds trust 18:00 — Fairness vs equality in salons 20:00 — Why some stylists get more opportunities 23:00 — Structure vs feeling controlled 25:00 — Why freedom without systems leads to burnout 29:00 — Effort: what owners vs stylists actually do 30:30 — Risk differences between owners and staff 33:00 — Small problems become big culture issues 37:00 — Why leaders must address issues early 39:00 — Explaining the “why” creates buy-in 42:00 — Final thoughts: bridging the gapLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

April 27, 2026Episode 24234 min

What Surprises People Most About Running a Salon [EP:242]

"Send us a message!"Most people mistakenly think opening a salon is about the exciting stuff.The logo. The branding. The social media. The aesthetic. The “grand opening” moment.But the truth is, the things that actually determine whether your salon succeeds are usually much less glamorous.In this episode, we break down what surprises people most about running a salon, what matters less than you think, what matters far more than expected, and why consistency, systems, leadership, and hard conversations are what truly build a business.We also talk about client fit, team culture, hiring, leadership standards, and why business growth is often slower and a lot more boring than most people imagine.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts with focusing on what actually matters.Key TakeawaysNot every client is the right client. Surprise and delight create stronger loyalty than discounts ever will. Logos and aesthetics matter less than owners think. Social media is a tool, not the foundation of a business. Consistency creates trust with both clients and staff. Written systems reduce repeated problems and confusion. Reliability matters more than perfection. Leadership behavior sets the tone for the entire salon. Culture is built slowly through repeated standards. Growth usually comes from small decisions repeated over time.Time Stamps00:00 — Intro + opening takes 01:00 — Not every client is worth pursuing 04:00 — Surprise and delight moments with clients 06:00 — What surprises people about running a business 07:00 — Why logos and branding matter less than you think 08:00 — Social media obsession vs real growth 10:00 — Aesthetics clients barely notice 13:00 — Consistency matters more than perfection 14:00 — Communication + team interaction 15:00 — Systems and written expectations 16:00 — Reliability over perfection 17:00 — Leadership matters more than you realize 19:00 — Standards are easy to set, hard to hold 21:00 — Your team is everything 22:00 — Everything takes longer than expected 23:00 — Hiring and building culture takes years 26:00 — Developing people and individual growth plans 28:00 — Building systems takes time 29:00 — Why business growth feels boring 31:00 — Small decisions repeated over time 32:00 — Taking emotion out of leadership 34:00 — Final thoughtsLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

April 20, 2026Episode 24140 min

Why Most Salon Decisions Don’t Lead to Growth [EP:241]

"Send us a message!"Salon owners make decisions every day.But not all decisions actually move the business forward.In this episode, we break down the types of decisions that truly create change inside a salon, from having hard conversations and defining standards to building systems and thinking long-term.We also share real examples from our own salon, including how small gaps in leadership can lead to bigger problems over time, and why avoiding certain decisions often creates more stress, not less.This isn’t a “how-to” episode. It’s a conversation about what actually works, based on real experience, the mistakes we’ve made, the lessons we’ve learned, and the decisions that have made the biggest difference.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And that starts with making decisions that actually matter.KEY TAKEAWAYSNot all decisions create meaningful change in a salon. Avoiding hard conversations leads to bigger problems over time. Hiring out of desperation often damages culture and morale. Standards must be clearly defined to be followed. Consistency from leadership creates consistency in the team. Systems reduce chaos and decision fatigue. Short-term thinking limits long-term growth. Leadership requires clarity, not just being “nice.” Protecting your culture is part of your responsibility as an owner. Small decisions compound into major business outcomes.TIME STAMPS00:00 — Intro + weather + episode setup 02:00 — Jen’s opening take: real education vs being “too busy” 05:00 — Todd’s opening take: staff meetings + expectations 07:30 — Why most decisions don’t create real change 09:00 — Decision 1: Stop avoiding hard conversations 13:00 — How avoiding conversations creates bigger problems 15:00 — Decision 2: Stop hiring out of desperation 18:00 — Protecting your culture and existing team 20:00 — Decision 3: Define your standards clearly 23:00 — Why vague expectations cause frustration 24:30 — Decision 4: Enforce standards consistently 26:00 — Decision 5: Build systems (stop winging it) 29:00 — Client flow, structure, and consistency 30:00 — Decision 6: Think long-term 33:00 — Short-term stress vs long-term growth 35:00 — Decision 7: Lead clearly, not just nicely 37:30 — Final thoughts + where to startLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website

April 13, 2026Episode 24044 min

Why Some Salons Build Jobs And Others Build Careers [EP:240]

"Send us a message!"There’s a clear split happening in the salon industry.Some salons are building careers, places where stylists grow, stay long-term, and feel part of something bigger.Other salons are building jobs, places where people come and go, fill chairs, and never fully buy in.In this episode, we break down the difference between those two types of businesses and why it matters more than ever.We talk about leadership, structure, culture, and decision-making, and how small, daily choices determine whether your salon becomes a place where people build a future…or just collect a paycheck.We also share real observations from our own experience, what we’ve seen across the industry, and why many salon owners don’t intentionally choose to build “job salons”; they drift into them.Your business should serve you, so that you can serve others.And what you build is shaped by the decisions you make every day.Key TakeawaysEvery salon is building either jobs or careers; there is no neutral. Job salons are transactional and often reactive. Career salons are structured, intentional, and growth-focused. Short-term urgency often leads to long-term instability. Being busy doesn’t fix structural problems. The technician’s mindset limits business growth. Leadership requires new skill sets beyond technical work. Turnover is often a symptom of deeper structural issues. Systems and clarity create stability for teams. Intentional leadership determines long-term success.Time Stamps00:00 — Opening + episode overview 01:00 — Jen’s opening take: community and volunteering 04:00 — Todd’s opening take: help-first mindset 07:00 — The split happening in the salon industry 09:00 — Job salons vs career salons defined 11:00 — Transactional environments vs team culture 13:00 — Short-term thinking vs long-term vision 15:00 — Stylist-dependent vs system-driven salons 17:00 — Why most salons default to “job mode” 19:00 — Urgency, bills, and survival decisions 21:00 — The technician’s curse explained 23:00 — The hamster wheel of reactive business 25:00 — Why “busy” doesn’t solve problems 27:00 — Career salons: structure, systems, development 29:00 — Why turnover eventually breaks businesses 31:00 — It works… until it doesn’t 33:00 — Leadership growth and accountability 35:00 — Tier A thinking and intentional leadership 37:00 — Investing in people and education 39:00 — Trust, clarity, and communication 41:00 — Ignorance vs awareness in business 43:00 — Final thoughts: build with intentionLinks and Stuff:Our Newsletter Mentoring InquiriesFind more of our things:InstagramHello Hair Pro Website