On Tax

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On Tax brings together professionals in the Cravath network for conversations about their life and work in the world of tax. Hosted by Cravath partner Len Teti, the show focuses on the often-forgotten human side of tax, highlighting the people, connections and stories that make the space such a fascinating and dynamic area of practice. Learn more about On Tax at cravath.com/podcast . Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP is a premier U.S. law firm that has been at the center of many of the world’s most significant transactions and disputes for more than two centuries. Learn more about the Firm at cravath.com , and explore its bicentennial at 200.cravath.com . (On Tax is intended for informational and educational purposes only, and does not establish an attorney-client relationship between any person or entity and Cravath.) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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June 9, 202634 min

Bob Stack, formerly of the U.S. Treasury Department – LIVE at UVA School of Law

Bob Stack is the former Managing Director of Deloitte’s Washington National Tax Practice, a role he held until his recent retirement. Prior to his work for Deloitte, Bob served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Tax Affairs in the Office of Tax Policy at the U.S. Department of the Treasury. In this episode of On Tax, he and Cravath partner and host Len Teti discuss how an early love of French language and international travel inspired Bob’s path to tax law in front of a live audience of students, faculty and alumni at the University of Virginia School of Law. They also talk about Bob’s tenure at the Treasury Department and reflect on the role senior colleagues play in building knowledge and confidence for professionals across the tax world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 19, 202638 min

Chief Judge Patrick Urda of the U.S. Tax Court

Patrick Urda is the Chief Judge of the United States Tax Court. In this episode of On Tax, he and Cravath partner and host Len Teti talk about Chief Judge Urda’s path to the federal government and the professional friendships, chance encounters and open-mindedness that led him there. Chief Judge Urda also reflects on the influence his family has had on his career and what he most enjoys about his current role. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

April 28, 202620 min

Wiebe Dijkstra of De Brauw Blackstone Westbroek

Wiebe Dijkstra is a tax partner at the law firm De Brauw Blackstone Westbroek in Amsterdam, the Netherlands. In this episode of On Tax, he and Cravath partner and host Len Teti talk about Wiebe’s nonlinear path into tax practice, as well as the Best Friends network, through which the two partners and their respective firms frequently collaborate. Wiebe also discusses his approach to mentoring young talent and shares what clients might identify as his professional “superpower.” Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

April 7, 202627 min

Lee Cleland of Alvarez & Marsal

Lee Cleland is a Managing Director at Alvarez & Marsal. In this episode of On Tax, he and Cravath partner and host Len Teti talk about how seizing opportunities throughout his career helped shape Lee’s professional journey, and his approach to building lasting client relationships. Lee also discusses his brief retirement and the chance to build a new team that brought him back into the field. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

March 17, 202629 min

Chris Fargo of Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP

Chris Fargo is a partner in the Tax Department at Cravath. In the Season 11 premiere of On Tax, he and fellow Cravath partner and host Len Teti talk about how an unexpectedly interesting tax class in law school led Chris to his current role at the Firm and the challenging and exciting client work he’s been involved in ever since. Chris also discusses how his lawyering skillset has evolved over time and shares advice for young lawyers transitioning from law school to practice. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

March 10, 20261 min

Welcome to Season 11 of On Tax

On Tax returns for Season 11 on Tuesday, March 17. This season, tune in as Cravath partner and podcast host Len Teti talks to professionals in the world of tax about what brought them to the field and the pivotal choices, challenges and connections that led them to their current roles. Next week’s guest is Cravath tax partner Chris Fargo, who discusses how an unexpectedly interesting tax class in law school led him to the Firm’s Tax Department and reflects on the challenging and exciting client work he’s been involved in ever since. Learn more about On Tax at cravath.com/podcast/index. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

December 16, 202516 min

Where Are They Now? Josh Gordon of Kyndryl

Josh Gordon is the Treasurer and Senior Vice President of Tax at Kyndryl. In this “Where Are They Now?” episode of On Tax, Josh returns to talk with Cravath partner and host Len Teti about Josh’s career since he last appeared on the show as the Vice President, Finance – Controller for IBM Americas in Season 1. They also reflect on the value of staying open to unexpected opportunities and discuss how the synergy between certain business functions often has leaders in tax wearing multiple hats. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

December 2, 202555 min

Danielle Rolfes of KPMG — LIVE at Georgetown University Law Center

Danielle Rolfes is the Partner in Charge of the KPMG Washington National Tax practice. In this episode of On Tax, she and Cravath partner and host Len Teti talk about Danielle’s upbringing, her early career choices and what she considers an unusual path to leadership in the world of tax in front of an audience of students and members of the D.C. community at Georgetown University Law Center for the show’s first live recording. They also discuss what Danielle most enjoys about working in a national tax practice, and the different paths available to young tax lawyers just beginning their careers. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

November 11, 202522 min

Jack Bernstein of Aird & Berlis

Jack Bernstein is the Senior Tax Partner at the law firm Aird & Berlis in Toronto, Canada. In this episode of On Tax, he and Cravath partner and host Len Teti discuss how Jack built his international tax practice, and the essential role relationship building has played throughout his career. They also share advice for young tax associates just starting out and reflect on the ways in which writing articles, attending conferences and joining law organizations helps legal professionals both hone their craft and establish themselves in the market. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

October 21, 202524 min

Flashback Episode (Seasons 1-9)

In this episode of On Tax, Cravath partner and host Len Teti revisits memorable segments and stories from across the past nine seasons in the show’s very first Flashback Episode. Len reflects on major themes that have arisen over the course of the show in his conversations with experts throughout the world of tax, including professional turning points; opportunities that follow challenges and setbacks; the invaluable impact of mentorship; and, of course, the hobbies and pursuits guests turn to in their spare time. Each season, On Tax guests have generously shared their stories—proving that this podcast has always been less about tax and more about people.  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.