M&A Science, hosted by Kison Patel (Founder & CEO of DealRoom), is your go-to podcast for mastering the art of mergers and acquisitions. Each week, Kison and his expert guests from leading brands like Xerox, FastLap, and Cisco dig deep into real-world M&A strategies, offering actionable insights to optimize your M&A practice. Whether you're an experienced practitioner or new to the field, M&A Science provides practical advice on key topics like sourcing, due diligence, integration, divestitures, and more. With over 300 episodes, this podcast is the premier thought leadership resource designed to streamline your deal-making process. Start listening today and visit mascience.com/podcast to access over 300 episodes. Brought to you by DealRoom, the leading M&A optimization platform used by the best M&A teams around the world
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October 15, 2026Episode 43725 min
M&A Horror Stories
A partner's spouse joined a call two weeks from closing. One background check later, a PE deal was dead, along with every dollar spent on diligence and attorney fees. Kison gathered the deal stories practitioners leave out of case studies, with the names removed. Corporate development leaders, attorneys, and advisors share deals that died at the signature line. There's also a roughly $1 billion divestiture that was unwound after a withheld forecast surfaced the morning after the wire. And a losing bidder bought the same company back 18 months later for about 80% less. The pattern across them: a late surprise kills trust faster than it kills valuation. Most of these deals died on something that surfaced too late. DealRoom, the AI-powered operating system for Buyer-Led M&A™, keeps diligence requests, open items, and findings in one place from the start of a deal. That way surprises show up while you can still price them or walk away. See how by clicking here.
October 8, 2026Episode 43653 min
The Vendor Trap That Derails Carve-Outs
Days before closing a carve-out, Danielle Fortier's team found the seller's vendor list was off by dozens of vendors. Danielle, a partner at Cooley with four corporate carve-outs closed this year, explains why: back-office vendors are shared across every business line, and deal leads rarely focus on them early. Her roadmap maps every entanglement, checks it against what the buyer already has, and sends only true gaps to the TSA. Cloud hosting, finance and IT security are the usual traps. Settle TSA length and pricing in the LOI. She has seen sellers assume three months while buyers assumed 18. Her biggest warning is over-relying on the TSA. Six months in, you still go to the seller for everything. That vendor surprise happens when entanglements, gap owners and TSA schedules live in lists nobody fully trusts. DealRoom keeps carve-out diligence, open requests and integration planning in one connected platform, so gaps found in diligence carry into the post-close plan. See how Infoblox consolidated 5+ tools from pipeline through integration: Infoblox's Case Study
October 1, 2026Episode 43543 min
How to Build Trust and Leverage in M&A
"Never use the word 'trust me.' It's those people you can't trust." Jerry Cedicci, Kison Patel's boss from twenty years ago, built hundreds of millions of dollars in real estate, cafes, hotels, and restaurants. This is his playbook. For Jerry, trust is structural. Ask to run the business you're buying, let the seller fire you anytime, and hand them every card so they can't lose. He pushes the other side to name a price first so he never negotiates against himself, and he'll pay full price when the seller finances it. Then Kison raises a competitor he wants to buy that won't share financials. Jerry works it live: skip the financials and ask how many clients, set your threshold, size what the company could become, and offer 6 against an expected 5 to 10. In corporate M&A, Kison notes, earning a seller's trust can take a year, which means tracking targets long before they're ready to sell. Qualfon reviews 75–100 targets a year and runs that pipeline in DealRoom with real-time reporting: read more here .
September 24, 2026Episode 43453 min
The Man Who Taught Kison Patel to See M&A Opportunities
"At the closing table, I left with a check of $10 million." Jerry Cedicci bought a run-down Chicago hotel for $14 million and sold it for $24 million within a year. Jerry grew up in a French orphanage and arrived in the US in 1981 barely speaking English. Kison Patel hunted properties with Jerry about 20 years ago and learned much of his dealmaking from him. When a bank rejected Jerry's loan, he asked exactly why and got $3 million from the next bank. A landlord warned that the average bakery does $450 a day. Jerry's first did $1,500 on day one, and he wrote a $10 million option to buy the building into the lease, exercising it 10 years later. Skipping that option on his Michigan Avenue store was, he says, the biggest mistake of his life. Jerry's costliest mistake was an opportunity he saw and never locked in. Corp dev teams lose targets the same way when the pipeline lives in scattered spreadsheets. Jamf moved its deal tracking into DealRoom and cut deal time in half. Learn more about Jamf's case study here.
September 17, 2026Episode 43348 min
Why PE Rollups Fail the People Who Built the Business
A $100 million preferred equity check with a 15% compounding floor needs $200 million back in five years, and all of it sits ahead of the producers holding common equity. Bill Johnson grew Liberty to $250 million in revenue in seven and a half years without taking on any equity. He explains why Liberty sits out auctions and how Goldman's preferred position in the Newfront sale to Willis crammed down common shareholders. He breaks down a pro forma move PE firms accept: cut an owner's $600,000 pay to a $150,000 salary, then ask for a 10 or 11 multiple on the difference. And he owns Liberty's mistake. After growing too fast, Liberty paused M&A in 2023 at about $150 million in revenue to build systems and upgrade leadership. Liberty's fix was a pre-close integration roadmap, built to integrate each deal within 60 to 90 days. That only holds when diligence and integration plans live in one place. See how Liberty built a single source of M&A truth with DealRoom and recorded $200K cost savings in the first year: read the case study here .
September 10, 2026Episode 43254 min
Why M&A Integration Fails Without Leadership Enablement
Kim Jones, HR Director of M&A One acquired CEO slowed his own deal by a month or two to lock down customer commitments and build relationships with buyer leadership. At announcement, employees clapped. Kim Jones has spent over a decade as an HR deal lead at large tech companies, from single-employee acqui-hires to acquisitions bringing in thousands. The deals that integrated smoothly, she says, were the ones where leaders on both sides were enabled early. Process gets compliance. Trust gets advocacy. Kim explains how closing fast without a plan creates integration debt, why "you'll run independent" needs a shared definition, and why integration should start at LOI. She also covers honest retention conversations, a quarterly org council for tracking talent, and an employee uprising over butterscotch Life Savers. Integration debt builds when the deal thesis and diligence findings never become a plan leaders can carry. DealRoom keeps diligence and integration planning in one connected platform, so the plan exists before close. See how Wipfli runs both in DealRoom, where across its last three transactions not a single person from the incoming firm asked for training: here .
September 3, 2026Episode 43156 min
The Seller's Power Shift: How to Defend Valuation After the LOI
Praveen Ghanta , Founder and CEO of DevHawk Twenty-four hours before diligence expired, the buyer's board came back and cut the offer by almost 50%. Praveen Ghanta bootstrapped HiddenLevers to over $8M ARR at 52% EBITDA and signed an LOI at 16x ARR. Then a $2M enterprise contract with TD slipped, and the private equity owners behind the buyer, Orion, took an ax to the price. Praveen walks through three rounds of renegotiation, setting a walkaway number, and landing around $130M with a small earn-out. He also covers what to define in the LOI before exclusivity, how he cut a $600K sales tax claim to about $100K line by line, and an integration lesson every buyer should hear: his team shipped at two to three times the acquirer's engineering velocity, and that dropped 70% after close. Praveen's technical integration worked because it was mapped during diligence and tied to the earn-out. Sales integration wasn't, and his team lost control on day one. See how SPS Commerce uses DealRoom to carry diligence decisions through to integration: here .
August 27, 2026Episode 43054 min
The Discount Is the Wrong Question in Private Equity Secondaries
Richard Chow, Partner at PJT Partners (NYSE: PJT) Everyone asks the same first question in a secondaries deal: what's the discount. Richard Chow, a partner at PJT Partners who has sat on every side of this market as an LP, a buyer, a portfolio manager at Abu Dhabi's sovereign wealth fund, and now an advisor, says that question misses the point. Chow traces how secondary market volume grew from roughly $10 billion a year in the early 2000s to more than $250 billion today, and lays out what a buyer should actually underwrite instead: the buyer's own cost of capital, how much upside is left in the asset, and where the proceeds go next. He also breaks down how managers mismarket IRR to retail investors using day-one discount math, and the SpaceX valuation call that taught him secondary buyers can rarely see past two years. Chow's advice holds outside secondaries too: don't anchor a decision on one number and skip the strategic picture. DealRoom's Buyer-Led M&A™ framework gives corporate development teams a structured way to drive strategy, alignment, and value creation from day one instead of reacting deal by deal. See the five pillars: Link here.
August 20, 2026Episode 42957 min
How to Finance Acquisitions Without Giving Up Equity
Bill Stone, Founder and CEO of SS&C How do you keep buying companies without eventually losing control of the company you built? SS&C Technologies founder and CEO Bill Stone has spent four decades avoiding exactly that. Rather than treating each acquisition as an isolated transaction, SS&C built a system around protecting ownership, using debt when the economics make sense, paying it down quickly, and creating enough value after close to preserve capacity for the next deal. Bill walks through the decisions behind acquisitions including FMC, GlobeOp, and Blue Prism, his experience taking SS&C private with Carlyle, and the discipline that has allowed the company to keep acquiring across changing markets. What You'll Learn How Bill Stone kept 15% of SS&C through 100 acquisitions The exact revenue-per-head and EBITDA thresholds SS&C screens for Why strategic buyers almost always outbid private equity How to tell a motivated seller from one just fishing for a premium When rollover equity can help retain the management team How Carlyle overruled Stone's own unanimous board vote The one rule that makes Stone walk from a deal every time Every financing decision changes what you can do on the next deal. If you're financing an acquisition and don't have a hard leverage ceiling you actually stick to, DealPilot, powered by M&A Science , has the deal guidance layer to help you set one before you're over-levered on the next deal. ____________________ This episode of M&A Science is presented by DealRoom. DealRoom is the AI-powered operating system for Buyer-Led M&A™ — one connected system for pipeline, diligence, integration, and reporting. No tool-switching, no manual updates, no data gaps. See how it works: https://hubs.ly/Q04mcGKy0 ____________________ Episode Chapters [00:00] Intro and Guest Bio Check [04:27] Protecting Ownership From Bankers [07:32] Pivoting to the Buy Side [12:12] Cutting a Client's Cost 91% [12:32] Technology Cycles From Excel to AI [15:14] First Acquisition and Going Public [16:26] Balancing Investors and Founder Control [20:08] The Carlyle Take-Private Story [27:23] Screening Deals and Cutting Costs Fast [32:02] Reading a Seller's True Motivation [35:29] Winning FMC Under Canadian Rules [42:10] Beating TPG for GlobeOp [45:22] The Leverage Ceiling and Debt Paydown [49:06] Topping Vista for Blue Prism [53:17] Walking Away From a Lying Seller [54:23] Diligence Speed and Trust But Verify [54:58] Valuations and Capital Abundance
August 13, 2026Episode 42847 min
Where AI Actually Helps and Fails in M&A Legal Work
Aaron Binstock , Partner, Co-Head of Private Equity Practice at Cooley LLP Aaron walks Kison Patel through where AI earns its keep in M&A legal work. It drafts well on a single provision, struggles with a full 80-page markup, catches defined-term errors, and benchmarks a repeat client's past deals. Its issues lists overreach, flagging who serves as independent accountant. He shares his reverse prompt ("Is there anything else I can tell you?"), how Cooley handles clients who opt out of AI, and why diligence can now cover all 10,000 contracts instead of the top 100. Bottom line: AI owns nothing. The lawyer owns the result. AI can pull change of control language out of a data room, but someone still checks every chart, and sellers want to know who sees their documents. DealRoom keeps diligence requests, documents, and permissions in one place. IVC Evidensia's result: review time cut from 30 minutes to 2. https://dealroom.net/case-studies/how-ivc-evidensia-executes-300-plus-roll-ups-per-year-with-dealroom?utm_source=libsyn&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=ep428-show-notes
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