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A lively discussion of the threats affecting supply chain, specifically focused on firmware and low-level code that is a blind spot for many organizations. This podcast will feature guests from the cybersecurity industry discussing the problems surrounding supply chain-related issues and potential solutions. Get the Supply Chain Security Toolkit from Eclypsium here: https://eclypsium.com/go

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August 13, 2026Episode 8059 min

Exploring BMC Vulnerabilities - BTS #80

Summary In this episode, the hosts discuss various cybersecurity topics, including the lack of media coverage from the Black Hat conference, the implications of AI in cybersecurity, and the vulnerabilities associated with Baseboard Management Controllers (BMCs). They explore the challenges of patch management, the role of embedded Linux in security vulnerabilities, and the emerging trends in threat actor behavior. The conversation emphasizes the need for better awareness and action regarding BMC vulnerabilities and the importance of understanding the risks associated with AI in security. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of operational risks associated with AI models, particularly in the context of patch management and firmware security. They discuss the challenges of relying on AI for code reviews and the implications of backdoors found in firmware. The conversation also highlights the critical importance of true randomness in cryptographic applications and the ongoing risks posed by speculative execution attacks. Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Technical Setup 03:01 Black Hat Conference Coverage and Media Silence 06:00 AI and Cybersecurity: Responsibility and Ethics 08:51 BMC Vulnerabilities: Research and Findings 11:57 Scanning Techniques and Tools for BMCs 15:02 Cisco Vulnerabilities and Patch Management Challenges 17:54 The Role of AI in Vulnerability Discovery and Management 21:13 Emerging Threats and Trends in Cybersecurity 24:00 Conclusion and Future Considerations 34:03 Understanding Operational Risks in AI Models 37:10 The Challenges of Patch Management and Configuration 41:26 The Dangers of AI in Code Review 43:00 Backdoors in Firmware: A Growing Concern 49:13 The Importance of True Randomness in Cryptography 58:08 The Implications of Speculative Execution Attacks

August 7, 2026Episode 7954 min

InfraTrust - Understanding Infrastructure Vulnerabilities & Risk - BTS #79

Check out our free and no-registration-required site for understanding and tracking infrastructure vulnerabilities and advisories: https://infra-trust.org In this episode, the hosts discuss the challenges of collecting and aggregating vulnerability data, the introduction of Infratrust and Infratrust Pulse, and the importance of actionable data for cybersecurity teams. They explore the differences between vendor advisories and CVEs, the role of Eclipsium in data aggregation, and the ongoing challenges in vulnerability management and patching. The conversation highlights the need for a centralized source of truth for infrastructure vulnerabilities and the evolving landscape of cybersecurity threats. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of vulnerability management, particularly in the context of AI's rapid evolution in vulnerability discovery. They discuss the biases affecting vulnerability prioritization, the implications of AI on both offensive and defensive capabilities, and the critical risks associated with exposing Baseboard Management Controllers (BMCs) to the internet. The conversation emphasizes the need for better security practices and awareness in the face of evolving threats. Chapters 00:00 Technical Challenges in Data Collection 02:58 Introduction to Infratrust and Infratrust Pulse 05:57 The Evolution of Infrastructure Pulse 09:02 Understanding Vendor Advisories vs CVEs 11:49 The Importance of Actionable Data 14:46 Navigating Vendor Advisory Inconsistencies 17:51 The Role of Eclipsium in Data Aggregation 20:46 Patching Challenges and Vulnerability Management 24:09 Interpreting Risk Scores and Vulnerability Impact 30:34 Understanding Vulnerability Management Challenges 32:43 The Impact of AI on Vulnerability Discovery 35:24 The Arms Race: Offensive vs Defensive Capabilities 38:41 The Dangers of Exposing BMCs to the Internet 41:31 BMC Vulnerabilities: A Deep Dive 49:29 Mitigating Risks: Best Practices for BMC Security

July 16, 2026Episode 7856 min

Patching: The Race Against Time - BTS #78

In this episode, the hosts discuss various vulnerabilities affecting network devices, the importance of timely patching in enterprises, and the implications of AI on security. They explore the challenges of compliance programs, the significance of dependency management in software, and the need for better privilege separation in network devices. The conversation also touches on the risks of supply chain attacks and the detection of orphaned packages in software ecosystems. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Vulnerabilities and Security Trends 02:49 Router Choices and Security Implications 10:41 The Need for Faster Patching in Enterprises 12:22 The Impact of AI on Security and Exploits 18:31 Challenges with Compliance and Vulnerability Management 24:17 The Importance of Dependency Management in Software 30:54 Supply Chain Attacks and Their Consequences 35:34 Privilege Separation and Device Security 40:40 The Role of AI in Exploit Development 53:43 Detecting Orphaned Packages and Security Risks

June 30, 2026Episode 7754 min

FortiBleed Uncovered: How Attackers Harvest Credentials from Fortinet Devices - BTS #77

In this episode, we delve into the recent FortiBleed campaign, exploring how attackers harvest credentials from Fortinet devices, the vulnerabilities in password management, and best practices for defenders to mitigate such threats. Key topics FortiBleed campaign details and impact Password hash vulnerabilities in FortiOS AI's role in analyzing large security breaches Credential harvesting techniques and defenses Importance of layered security and best practices Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Initial Thoughts on AI Models 10:04 Credential Harvesting and Security Weaknesses 19:58 Hash Management and Security Appliances 30:15 Incident Response and Vulnerability Management 39:46 The Future of Security in the Age of AI

June 16, 2026Episode 761 hr 0 min

Binwalk, Brickstorm, AI Model Madness - BTS #76

summary In this episode of Below the Surface, Paul Asadoorian, Chase Snyder, and Vlad Babkin discuss the implications of AI in cybersecurity, the challenges posed by AI guardrails, and the operational risks associated with applying patches. They also explore vulnerabilities in security tools like Binwalk, the complexities of firmware update tools, and the importance of transparency in software signing, particularly in the context of open source software. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the complexities of cybersecurity, focusing on the limitations of security through obscurity, the challenges posed by UEFI shells and secure boot, and the operational risks associated with DBX updates. They discuss the difficulties in vulnerability management and the role of AI in cybersecurity, highlighting how it may benefit attackers more than defenders. The conversation also touches on emerging threats like Brickstorm malware and the need to rethink edge device security in light of these challenges. Finally, they emphasize the necessity for all companies to adopt robust cybersecurity measures. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Below the Surface Podcast 01:16 The Rise of AI and Its Implications 06:42 Challenges with AI Guardrails and Restrictions 10:53 Operational Risks in Cybersecurity 17:01 Vulnerabilities in Security Tools 20:11 Exploring Firmware Update Tools 29:07 The Importance of Open Source in Security 34:07 The Need for Transparency in Software Signing 35:12 The Fallacy of Security Through Obscurity 36:36 The Challenges of UEFI Shells and Secure Boot 39:58 The Complexity of DBX Updates and Operational Risks 43:20 The Difficulty of Vulnerability Management 48:11 AI's Role in Cybersecurity: A Double-Edged Sword 52:59 Emerging Threats: The Rise of Brickstorm Malware 55:54 Rethinking Edge Device Security 01:00:08 The Future of Cybersecurity Infrastructure

June 3, 2026Episode 7555 min

Secure Boot Certificates Expiring: What You Need to Know - BTS #75

In this episode of Below the Surface, the team discusses recent cybersecurity trends, including the Verizon DBIR 2026 report, secure boot certificate expirations, and the evolving threat landscape with AI and hardware vulnerabilities. They explore how organizations can adapt their defense strategies to stay ahead of attackers and share insights on supply chain security and malware analysis. https://eclypsium.com/blog/microsoft-secure-boot-certificates-expire-2026/ https://eclypsium.com/blog/verizon-dbir-2026/ https://github.com/iss4cf0ng/OpenPetya https://gbhackers.com/exploit-f5-big-ip-ssh-access/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security/blog/2026/05/22/from-edge-appliance-to-enterprise-compromise-multi-stage-linux-intrusion-via-f5-and-confluence/ https://cybersecuritynews.com/china-linked-hackers-target-southeast-asian-edge-routers/ https://qiita.com/Y4er/items/0b6071745e4b7b240b3e https://www.greynoise.io/blog/sonicwall-scanning-spike-echoes-pattern-preceded-cve-2026-0400 YellowKey update: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/1tkq3x9/yellowkey_bitlocker_exploit_repo_taken_down/ Chapters 00:00 Introduction and Technical Issues 02:56 Verizon DBIR Insights 05:50 Trends in Vulnerability Management 09:04 The Role of AI in Cybersecurity 12:11 Challenges in Vulnerability Management 14:46 Secure Boot Certificates and Their Implications 29:52 Managing Updates and Security Risks 32:57 The Open Petya Project: A Historical Perspective 36:11 Understanding the Yellow Key Attack 39:34 The Dilemma of Independent Researchers 41:34 The Future of Bug Bounty Programs 43:59 The Evolving Landscape of Vulnerabilities 49:51 Visibility Challenges in Network Security 56:16 The Need for Better Information Sharing

May 19, 2026Episode 7454 min

YellowKey, CVE Enrichment, Chipmaker Breach - BTS #74

In this episode, we explore recent vulnerabilities, the YellowKey BitLocker bypass, supply chain security, CVE data analysis, and the implications of hardware breaches like the one at Foxconn. We also delve into AI's role in vulnerability research and the evolving landscape of cybersecurity threats. Topics https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2026/04/nist-updates-nvd-operations-address-record-cve-growth https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey https://socket.dev/blog/tanstack-npm-packages-compromised-mini-shai-hulud-supply-chain-attack https://x.com/AlvieriD/status/2053835732658143416 Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Vulnerability Research and AI 03:42 NIST and CVE Growth Challenges 06:46 Building Tools for CVE Analysis 10:58 The Complexity of CVSS Scoring 15:08 CISA's Role in Vulnerability Enrichment 18:06 Challenges in CWE and CPE Data 19:55 The Future of Vulnerability Research 27:18 BitLocker Bypass: A Case Study 33:05 Exploring the Complexity of Windows Features 34:49 Speculation on Microsoft and Conspiracy Theories 35:57 The Impact of BIOS Passwords on Security 39:12 The Foxconn Breach: A Major Data Compromise 47:34 Supply Chain Attacks on Package Managers 51:13 Deceptive Techniques in Cybersecurity

May 7, 2026Episode 7355 min

Uncovering Firmware Risks: From Y2K to Modern Malware - BTS #73

In this episode of Below the Surface, hosts Paul Asadoorian, Chase Snyder, and guest Brian Richardson explore the evolution of firmware security, the risks of supply chain vulnerabilities, and the latest threats targeting network edge devices like Cisco ASA and FTD. They discuss historical malware like the Chernobyl virus, modern malware campaigns such as Firestarter, and the challenges of securing complex network infrastructure in a rapidly evolving threat landscape. Links: https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/white-house-pushes-back-on-anthropics-mythos-expansion-8741242/ https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/cyber-security/the-chernobyl-virus-turned-27-today-and-it-could-brick-your-pc-in-ways-modern-malware-cant https://blog.talosintelligence.com/uat-4356-firestarter/ Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Below the Surface 02:20 Brian's Transition to Eclipseum 03:50 The Y2K Experience and Early Virus Detection 06:31 The CIH Virus and Its Impact 10:12 BIOS Security and Vulnerabilities 14:10 The Importance of Firmware Lockdown 18:09 Modern Threats and UEFI Attacks 22:13 Targeted Malware and Ransomware Risks 25:21 Creative Concepts in Cybersecurity 26:20 Emerging Threats: Firestarter Malware 30:54 The Security of Network Devices 35:17 Challenges in Managing Security Appliances 39:52 Persistence of Malware and Its Implications 43:02 The Evolving Landscape of Cyber Threats 49:44 AI and Cybersecurity: The Anthropic Dilemma

April 17, 2026Episode 7258 min

AI-Powered Firmware Hacking: The Future of Vulnerability Discovery - BTS #72

In this episode, the hosts explore the latest in cybersecurity, including AI-driven vulnerability discovery, firmware analysis tools, secure boot complexities, and recent CVE trends. They discuss practical techniques for hacking devices, the challenges of firmware emulation, and the implications of new security policies on consumer and enterprise hardware. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Hacking and Security Updates 03:24 Exploring Samsung TV Hacking 06:34 AI in Vulnerability Research 11:17 The Role of AI in Exploiting Vulnerabilities 15:18 CVE Disclosure and Ethical Considerations 20:43 AI Tools and Instrumentation in Development 24:41 Emerging Tools for Firmware Analysis 28:14 Navigating Linux Security Challenges 29:12 The Surge of CVEs: Understanding the Growth 31:29 The Role of AI in Vulnerability Discovery 34:50 CVE Enrichment: The Need for Contextual Data 36:57 Microsoft's Secure Boot: A Double-Edged Sword 46:43 Vulnerabilities in Bootloaders: A Case Study 51:25 The Complexity of Secure Boot Management 53:24 Regulatory Challenges in Router Security

April 7, 2026Episode 711 hr 1 min

What Makes a Device a Router? - BTS #71

summary In this episode, the hosts discuss the new FCC regulations regarding consumer routers, exploring the implications for cybersecurity, the definitions of what constitutes a router, and the challenges of manufacturing compliant devices. They delve into the debate surrounding the effectiveness of these regulations in mitigating cyber risks, the role of hardware versus software vulnerabilities, and the potential impact on consumers and existing devices in homes. In this conversation, the hosts discuss the implications of the FCC's decision to decertify routers and firmware, the challenges posed by the conditional approval process, and the potential impact on router security and availability. They explore conspiracy theories surrounding the regulations, compare US and EU cybersecurity standards, and address the complexities of hardware backdoors and default credentials. The conversation highlights the need for better security practices and the importance of addressing vulnerabilities in enterprise devices. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to FCC Regulations on Routers 02:35 The Impact of FCC Regulations on Consumer Devices 05:03 Defining What Constitutes a Router 09:51 The Security Implications of Router Regulations 12:41 The Role of Hardware vs. Software in Cybersecurity 17:11 Challenges in Manufacturing and Compliance 21:40 Consumer Impact and Existing Devices 25:59 The Future of Networking Devices and Regulations 29:48 Decertification of Routers and Firmware Challenges 31:58 Conditional Approval Process and Its Implications 34:40 Proposed Solutions for Router Security Standards 36:53 Conspiracy Theories Surrounding Router Regulations 39:26 The Impact of Regulations on Router Availability and Pricing 42:05 Comparing US and EU Cybersecurity Regulations 46:11 The Complexity of Hardware Backdoors and Security 49:11 Addressing Default Credentials and Vulnerabilities 52:02 Conditional Approval Guidance and Its Flaws 54:56 Recent Vulnerabilities in Enterprise Devices