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Behind Clean Lines

Behind Clean Lines

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Apr 2026

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Behind Clean Lines is your go-to medium for insights into hygienic manufacturing, innovation, and design. You'll find expert knowledge on the design process, the strategic drivers, and mind set it takes to push innovation in manufacturing for food and beverage industries forward. The topics we'll discuss include: Strategic Growth Drivers in Hygienic Manufacturing The Role of Collaboration in Innovation for the Food Industry Product optimization with Hygienic Design ... and much more. This podcast is brought to you by NGI . --- This podcast is produced by Montanus .

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April 8, 2026Episode 2141 min

21: What Food Equipment OEMs Need to Know About the New 3A Standards

Food safety incidents don't stay local anymore. A contaminated batch produced in one facility can reach consumers on multiple continents before anyone realises something is wrong. That shift in scale is exactly why the 3-A sanitary standards, a framework that has been evolving for almost a century, continue to matter for everyone who designs, buys, or operates food production equipment.In this episode of Behind Clean Lines, host Mikkel Svold is joined by two guests with very different relationships to hygienic design.Gabe Miller is a 3-A Certified Conformative Evaluator (CCE) who served as chair of the committee that developed the 3-A General Standards. He has spent his career inspecting food production equipment for compliance, and he continues to collaborate with EHEDG as a trainer at their conferences.Tue Skrubbeltrang is Sales Director for EMEA and APAC at NGI A/S, where he works with around 5,000 OEM customers worldwide. Between them, they cover the regulatory, engineering, and commercial sides of a conversation that too rarely happens in the same room.The occasion is the third major iteration of the 3-A General Standards, recently released. Rather than imposing sweeping new requirements, it clarified language that had been causing genuine disputes in the field, expanded the tables of accepted materials to reflect modern production realities, and updated the framework to accommodate newer manufacturing technologies such as 3D printing and injection-moulded metals. Listen in for an unusually candid look at what the standards actually demand, where the industry keeps getting it wrong, and why the biggest risk in food safety today may not be what you think it is.Episode Contents00:00 – Opening: The contamination mystery that took a year to solve01:11 – Introduction: Why the 3A standards update matters now03:35 – The 3A standards: a century of food safety, and how they are made09:35 – Is hygienic design more expensive? Breaking the myth11:06 – What the latest update actually changed16:43 – New manufacturing technologies and what the standards now allow17:58 – Defining product contact surfaces: where most people get it wrong21:49 – Edge cases: conveyor belts, bearings, and the one-inch rule25:51 – Non-product contact surfaces and the door frame listeria case30:58 – Cleanability as commercial advantage: downtime, cost, and the 30-year argument33:43 – 3A and EHEDG: convergence, differences, and cross-border certification37:54 – Wishlist: knowledge first, not stricter standardsIn This EpisodeWhat the latest update to the 3-A General Standards actually changed, and what was deliberately left the sameWhy the definition of "product contact surface" reaches well beyond the surfaces your product visibly touchesHow a year-long listeria problem in a meat processing plant was traced back to the hollow bottom of a door frameWhy bearings demand careful hygienic consideration even when they sit outside the product contact zoneHow the 3-A and EHEDG standards are converging, and where genuine differences in approach remainResources Mentioned3-A Sanitary Standards (the long-standing framework governing hygienic design of food production equipment in the US)EHEDG, European Hygienic Engineering and Design Group (the European hygienic design framework, with growing harmonisation agreements with 3-A)Contact and Follow Questions, topic ideas, or guest suggestions: podcast@ngi-global.comFind more episodes here. This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

February 18, 2026Episode 201 hr 3 min

20: Food Industry 2026: The Race Between Labor, AI and Automation

Expert Roundtable · 2026 Factory Priorities Is your factory ready for the transformation ahead?The food industry is shifting fast. Labor gaps, accelerating automation, and the rise of AI are reshaping how factories operate.In this special episode of Behind Clean Lines, three industry experts break down the forces redefining food manufacturing in 2026 - and what it will take to stay competitive in a landscape where technology and human expertise must work hand‑in‑hand.In this special roundtable episode of Behind Clean Lines, we bring together three industry experts from different corners of the food sector:Richard Smith – Managing Director, NewTech Intelligent Automation (machine builder perspective)Jennifer Crandall – Founder & CEO, Safe Food En Route (food safety consultancy + cross-industry view)Carl Thorson – Food Safety & Sanitation Manager, General Mills (large-scale food producer perspective)Together, they explore the converging forces reshaping food manufacturing in 2026 and beyond; from the factory floor challenges of training workers who aren't there, to the promise and reality of AI-powered automation, to the counterintuitive revolution happening in sanitation practices.For food manufacturers, the message is clear: the winners in 2026 won't be those with the most technology, but those who strategically navigate the balance between human expertise and technological capability.In this episode, you'll learn:Why labor shortages are the defining challenge, and how micro-learning and wearables are changing training.Where automation is finally becoming viable in fresh food production (and where it's still years away).How AI is tackling the "black box" of equipment changeovers and planned downtime.The counterintuitive "cleaning by exception" philosophy reducing water use while improving safety.What "food as medicine" means for formulation, equipment, and regulatory compliance.Why all three experts agree AI is the universal disruptor—and why implementation will be gradual.Episode Content00:36 Introduction to food industry trends for 202602:49 The labor availability crisis: More than just empty positions07:31 YouTube and TikTok-style training: Learning tools for the modern workforce13:21 Technology advances opening up fresh food automation17:05 Manual activities and the black box of equipment downtime20:06 Imagining the food plant of 2030: Lights on or off?24:07 The reality: Many companies are still on paper30:25 Using visual assessment to reduce human error38:06 UK and EU cybersecurity directives for machinery44:43 Food as medicine: Consumer trends reshaping production53:40 Cleaning by exception: The counterintuitive sanitation philosophy58:33 The one disruptor defining 2026: Artificial intelligence This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

October 15, 2025Episode 1941 min

19: Food Safety on Trial – The Legal Side of Contamination

Could your food company be tomorrow’s headline for all the wrong reasons?Food poisening can be a devastating for the consumer. And for the food company involved, it too comes with high costs:  It will damage reputation, shut down lines, trigger recalls, and put entire businesses at risk.In this episode of Behind Clean Lines, food safety attorney Bill Marler shares three decades of experience from the front lines of outbreaks. He’s seen how E. coli in hamburgers, listeria in ice cream, and unpasteurized juice ended up in courtrooms - and why the warning signs were visible long before disaster struck.For food manufacturers, the message is clear: regulators may not catch every risk. That responsibility falls on your processes, your supply chains, and your culture.In This Episode, You’ll Learn:1. The weak spots in production where contamination typically begins.2. Why supplier practices can make or break your food safety strategy.3. How genome sequencing is changing traceability and liability.4. Where contracts and documentation protect you (or leave you exposed).Episode Content00:08 Introduction to foodborne illness lawyer, Bill Marler01:10 Process after a food contamination case reported  04:48 Current statistics on foodborne illnesses in America  06:43 Tracing pathogens: The outbreak investigation process  09:20 Role of CDC and genetic fingerprinting in food safety  12:25 Manufacturer liability in food contamination cases  15:40 Importance of supplier relationships in food safety  23:42 Food safety culture: Engaging professionals in prevention  28:12 The moral vs. PR dilemma in food safety  30:41 Recommendations for manufacturers to enhance safety  34:31 Current battles against public health challenges  This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

August 20, 2025Episode 1838 min

18: How to Turn Hygiene Into Profits – The Business Case of Easy Cleaning

Is hygienic design just another line on your to-do list, or the overlooked key to avoiding production nightmares?In this episode of Behind Clean Lines, we talk with Jennifer Crandall, CEO of Safe Food En Route. With over 20 years in the food industry, she’s seen what happens when manufacturers treat hygienic design as an afterthought. Spoiler: it gets expensive, fast.We get straight to the point – how early design decisions impact everything from contamination risks to your next downtime crisis (and your profit margins, of course). If you're in food manufacturing, this one’s worth your time. Give it a listen. It might save you more than just money.In this episode, you'll learn about:1. Building a business case for hygienic design in food production.2. Financial risks of neglecting hygienic design from the start.3. Impact of design on product safety and market deadlines.4. Importance of involving experienced food safety experts early.5. Long-term benefits of strategic investment in hygienic construction.Episode Content00:08 Introduction to Hygienic Design with Jennifer Crandall  01:07 The Importance of Early Hygienic Design Decisions  02:42 How Poor Design Leads to Costly Redesigns  05:20 The Role of Food Safety in Company Culture  07:58 Encouraging Investor Awareness on Hygienic Design  10:12 Avoiding Redesign: Real-World Cost Examples  12:30 Understanding Purchasability in Food Safety Context  15:50 The Impact of Accumulative Costs on Operations  20:10 Key Factors in Food Safety Due Diligence  24:29 Investigating Accumulative Costs through Environmental Monitoring  29:15 Strategies for Small and Medium-Sized Companies  32:42 Final Advice: Engage Experienced Food Safety ProfessionalsProductionThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

June 12, 2025Episode 1715 min

17: Battling Biofilm – Strategies and challenges in food industry hygiene

Biofilm might sound harmless, but for food manufacturers, it’s a hidden threat that can take a serious toll on hygiene standards – and on your bottom line. Left unchecked, it risks production downtime, costly recalls, and long-term damage to your reputation.In this episode of ‘Behind Clean Lines’, Mikkel Svold is again joined by Debra Smith, a global hygiene expert and biologist at Vikan. Together, they cut through the jargon and get straight to the practical advice on tackling biofilm; What it isWhy it’s a challenge and most importantly,What you can do about it. Deb shares real-world tips, from getting your engineering and hygiene teams on the same page, to using smarter cleaning tools and detergents that actually work.If food safety and protecting your operations matter to you, this episode is worth your time. Give it a listen, and take away ideas you can act on today.In this episode, you'll learn about:1. Differences between biofilms and single-celled microbes in cleaning.2. Effective cleaning methods for combating biofilms in food factories.3. Importance of validated cleaning and disinfection protocols.4. Role of a cross-functional task force in biofilm management.5. Emerging technologies for improved biofilm control.6. Strategies for nurturing a strong food safety culture.Episode Content00:09 Introduction to the episode and guest, Deb Smith  00:53 Key differences between biofilm and single-celled microbes  01:45 Effective cleaning and disinfection methods for biofilm  04:10 The concept and importance of a joint task force  07:06 Common contradictions in hygiene and engineering teams  10:49 Emerging technologies for biofilm management in food industry  12:23 First steps for implementing better hygienic practices  14:04 Challenges of instilling a strong food safety cultureProductionThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

March 12, 2025Episode 1616 min

16: How Factory Layouts and Installations Impact Food Safety

Are your production installations doing their job, or are they holding your production back? It’s easy to overlook their impact, but production installations like electrical raceways play a key role in keeping your operations safe, clean, and efficient.  In this episode of ‘Behind Clean Lines’ we sit down with Steve Voelzke from Robroy Industries to tackle this often-missed priority in food production. Steve shares straightforward tips on getting your production and overhead installations right — whether you're planning a new facility or upgrading an existing one.  We’ll talk about practical solutions for avoiding contamination risks, cutting downtime, and designing for flexibility. Plus, Steve shares lessons from real-world projects that can help you prevent costly mistakes.  In this episode, you'll learn about:• Practical improvements for overhead production installations.  • Strategies for achieving cleaner production environments.  • The impact of effective design on food safety compliance.  • Insights on overcoming challenges with retrofitting facilities.  • Importance of ongoing education in facility construction and operation.  • Enhancing collaboration across teams for better outcomes.Episode Content00:09 Introduction01:34 Current practices in overhead installations and design  02:24 Evolution of facility design over the last decade  03:41 Role of the Food Modernization Act in industry changes  05:49 Importance of training and audits during construction  07:06 Continuous improvement through client collaboration  11:06 Practical steps for OEMs in facility design and installation  12:57 Risks and costs of contamination in food production  13:45 Strategies for retrofitting existing production facilities  15:31 Closing thoughtsProductionThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

January 22, 2025Episode 1515 min

15: Biofilm – The Stubborn Threat to Food Safety Explained

What comes to mind when you hear “contamination” in food factories?For most people, it’s microbes. But there’s a bigger, tougher problem most don’t see: biofilms. These stubborn bacterial colonies are hard to remove and can lead to serious food safety issues.In this episode of ‘Behind Clean Lines’, we talk with Debra Smith, a global hygiene specialist and microbiologist at Vikan. She breaks down what biofilms are, how they form, and why they’re such a challenge to food safety.From a devastating listeria outbreak to critical cleaning practices, Deb shares real-world examples and practical advice to help protect your operations.We’ll look at the essentials—like equipment design and cleaning processes—and how they play a essential role in fighting biofilms. You’ll also learn how to build a stronger food safety culture within your team.Episode Content00:08 Introduction to biofilm and its importance  01:07 What is biofilm and how does it form?  02:42 Consequences of biofilm: A listeria incident  04:13 European biofilm cases: lessons learned  06:15 Key differences between microbes and biofilm   08:55 Growth conditions and timeframes for biofilm  11:10 Biofilm communication: Quorum sensing explained  12:47 Mitigating biofilm risks in food factories  14:22 Closing thoughts and future topics on biofilmProductionThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/SThis podcast is produced by MontanusThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

December 11, 2024Episode 1418 min

14: Risks from Above: Why Overhead Installations Matter in Food Manufacturing

Your mind is probably concerned with things like production efficiency, product quality and profit margins. Your thought go to contamination every now and then. Even to hygienic design. But have you ever thought about how the overhead spaces in your food facility impact hygiene? It’s surprising, but up to 15% of food contamination can stem from these often-overlooked areas!Join us in this episode of Behind Clean Lines as we speak with Steve Voelzke from Robroy Industries. Steve shares his insights on the vital link between electrical infrastructure and hygienic design in food factories. With us from Texas, he highlights how improved overhead planning can significantly reduce contamination risks.In this episode, you'll learn about:1. Why overhead installations are crucial in food factory design.2. How modern construction designs enhance hygienic standards.3. Case studies showing contamination from overhead conditions.4. Practical design strategies for safer food production environments.Episode Content00:08 Introduction to the episode and guest, Steve Voelzke  02:28 Importance of electrical infrastructure in hygienic design  04:51 Modeling electrical components: Why it's often neglected  06:01 Need for improved planning in overhead designs  08:15 Benefits of sealed equipment designs  09:20 Overview of existing standards and their gaps  12:05 Education's crucial role in construction's hygienic practices  13:45 Strategies for effective wash down of overhead systems  16:03 Aligning electrical and hygienic standards for better safetyThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/SThis podcast is produced by MontanusThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

November 13, 2024Episode 1317 min

13: 3 Challenges for OEMs Building for the Poultry Industry

As the labor market shifts, the conversation about automation's role in food production becomes more crucial.While machines are tireless, can they truly replicate the finesse of a human hand when it comes to tasks like deboning a chicken?Also, the demand for poultry is skyrocketing. With larger birds and faster processing lines, how does this affect your equipment design when you need to maximize throughput in limited spaces?And as consumers call for fresher, diverse products, how agile are your current designs to adapt to these changes? Join us as Nate Harrison from Pheonix Innovations shares insights into these challenges and the need for ongoing innovation. In this episode, you'll learn about:Navigating manual labor vs. automation in poultry processing.AI innovations enhancing equipment precision and efficiency.Tackling increased bird sizes and faster line speeds.Designing adaptable machinery for evolving consumer demands.Strategies for OEMs to stay ahead in poultry processing.Episode Content00:00 Introduction with Mikkel Svold and Nate Harrison01:10 Challenge 1: Automation vs. Manual Labor03:10 How AI could enhance poultry processing efficiency06:00 Current labor market conditions in poultry industry08:30 Challenge 2: Increased Bird Size and Line Speed11:10 OEMs need for efficiency amidst rising demand12:55 Challenge 3: Flexibility and Adaptability in OEM Design14:08 Meeting consumer demands for affordable poultry products16:25 Closing thoughts and recap of challengesThis podcast is brought to you by NGI.This podcast is produced by Montanus.This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

October 23, 2024Episode 1218 min

12: Safe Food Production: How to Set Cleaners Up for Success

Are you confident that your cleaning team has what it takes to maintain the highest hygiene standards in your food production facility?In this episode of Behind Clean Lines, we explore the crucial—but often overlooked—role of cleaners in the food manufacturing industry. Why are they sometimes seen as the weakest link in the hygiene chain? And more importantly, how can we empower the cleaners to succeed?We’re excited to welcome back Dr. Thomas Buehler from Ecolab, a leader in sustainable water treatment and contamination prevention. He sheds light on the challenges cleaners face, from language barriers to inadequate training and tough night shifts. Plus, he shares how factory layouts and the right tools can enhance cleaning efficiency and boost food safety.Buehler offers practical strategies for setting clear goals, improving communication across levels, and utilizing technology like UV lights to assess cleanliness. We hope his insights will inspire you to rethink your approach to people management and help drive a culture where food safety is a shared responsibility.Tune in to discover how to build an engaged and effective cleaning team that can make a real difference.In this episode, you'll learn about:The importance of effective management in maintaining hygiene.Challenges faced by cleaners in food production environments.Key considerations for hygienic design in factory layouts.Innovative tools like UV lights for measuring cleaning outcomes.Strategies for fostering communication between cleaners and management.Best practices for setting and achieving cleaning goals.Episode Content 00:08 Introduction to Dr. Thomas Buehler00:57 Importance of cleaners in food safety02:22 Managing cleaner expectations and motivation03:21 Challenges faced by cleaning personnel04:29 Typical equipment layout pitfalls05:53 Ensuring quality with temporary cleaning staff06:13 Setting clear cleaning targets and operating procedures07:40 Measuring cleaning outcomes effectively09:05 Utilizing UV light for hygiene checks11:33 Creating a cleaner-friendly environment checklist13:50 Bridging communication gaps between management and cleaners15:47 Importance of trending reports for food safety16:51 Encouraging upward communication from cleaning staffProductionThis podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.  This podcast is brought to you by NGI A/S.This podcast is produced by Montanus.

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