White and Williams Subro Sessions

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White and Williams Subro Sessions provides insights into the world of subrogation. You'll hear from various lawyers in our subrogation department discussing the latest legal updates, news and trends as well as strategies for litigation, mediation and recovery. This podcast should not be construed as legal advice or legal opinion on any specific facts or circumstances. Prior results do not guarantee a similar outcome. The contents are intended for general informational purposes only, and you are urged to consult a lawyer concerning your own situation with any specific legal question you may have.

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May 26, 2026Episode 3714 min

Getting to Know Subro: Meet Marcia Richards, Counsel, White and Williams Subrogation Department

The latest episode of Subro Sessions' "Getting to Know Subro" series, hosted by Partner Lian Skaf, features Marcia Richards, Counsel in the White and Williams Subrogation Department. Originally from England, Marcia brings a global perspective to her practice. In the episode, they discuss her journey into the #subrogation field—from starting as a paralegal to serving as a law clerk to the former Chair of the Subrogation Department—while attending law school as an evening student. She also shares her experiences serving on two committees at the firm today.

March 31, 2026Episode 3622 min

What an Expert Wants, What an Expert Needs - Part 2

Matt Ferrie, Partner in the Subrogation Practice Group, hosts this Subro Sessions episode, "What an Expert Wants, What an Expert Needs," featuring guest J. Pablo Ross, an engineer and fire origin-and-cause investigator with Ross Engineers. In part two of this two-part series, Matt and Pablo explore the essential elements of drafting comprehensive investigative reports and final reports and highlight proven strategies subrogation attorneys can use to prepare experts for deposition testimony.

February 10, 2026Episode 3522 min

What an Expert Wants, What an Expert Needs

Matt Ferrie, Partner in the Subrogation Practice Group, hosts this Subro Sessions episode, "What an Expert Wants, What an Expert Needs," featuring guest J. Pablo Ross, an engineer and fire origin-and-cause investigator with Ross Engineers. In this part one of a two-part series, Matt and Pablo discuss best practices in expert retention and the essential steps subrogation attorneys can take to support effective and successful investigations—from the initial assignment through interactions with insureds and witnesses and the coordination of joint site inspections.

December 2, 2025Episode 3418 min

Getting to Know Subro: Meet Matt Ferrie, Partner in the White and Williams Subrogation Department

In the most recent episode of Subro Sessions, "Getting to Know Subro" series, Lian Skaf, Partner and host, interviews Matt Ferrie, Partner, who shares tales from his early career and transition to the Subrogation Department at White and Williams LLP. In addition to offering advice along the way to those interested in pursuing the field, Matt also tells stories about his training in boxing and passing on the love of the sport to his family.

October 9, 2025Episode 3326 min

Measuring Property Damages: What Every Subrogator Should Know

This episode of the Subro Sessions podcast, hosted by David Huberman, Partner, covers the legal measure of property damages to real and personal property, including the legal framework for measuring and proving property damages, diminution in value versus cost of repair, evidentiary requirements and experts, and practical tips and suggestions for subrogation professionals when analyzing the recoverability of property damages.

August 26, 2025Episode 4212 min

Pursuing a Spread Theory

This episode of the Subro Sessions podcast, "Pursuing a Spread Theory," is hosted by Ron Pingitore, Partner, and Ryan Bennett, Associate. This episode discusses the topic of the applicability of pursuing a spread theory when dealing with a fire loss in subrogation claims. While pursuing a spread theory is more complicated due to added layers of investigation and discovery, it could be the second bite at the apple for recovery.

August 5, 2025Episode 4119 min

Getting to Know Subro: Meet Bill Schmidt, Senior Partner, White and Williams Subrogation Department

White and Williams has one of the longest-standing Subrogation Practices in the nation. This series of the Subro Sessions podcast entitled "Getting to Know Subro," is hosted by Lian Skaf, Partner. In the most recent episode, Lian interviews Bill Schmidt, Senior Partner, who will be retiring at the end of August after a 40+ year career practicing law. Bill shares how he plans to spend retirement, his love of basketball and how he started his career, along with tips for subrogation attorneys.

May 27, 2025Episode 4013 min

Getting to Know Subro: Meet Katherine Dempsey, Associate, White and Williams Subrogation Department

White and Williams has one of the longest-standing Subrogation Practices in the nation. This series of the Subro Sessions podcast, entitled "Getting to Know Subro," is hosted by Partner, Lian Skaf. In this episode, Lian interviews Associate, Katherine Dempsey, a member of the Subrogation Department, to discuss how she chose the area of Subrogation law to launch her legal career, her focus on family, and how she spends time out of the office sharing cooking tips and recipes on her "Finsta" account.

May 20, 2025Episode 3911 min

The Lease Says What? A Closer Look at the Sutton Doctrine in Michigan

This episode of the Subro Sessions podcast, "The Lease Says What? A Closer Look at the Sutton Doctrine in Michigan," is hosted by Katherine Dempsey, Melissa Kenney and Zachariah Sigda, Associates. This episode discusses the topic of the applicability of the Sutton Doctrine in states where this law is viewed on a case-by-case basis for subrogation claims related to property damage matters involving landlords and tenants.

April 15, 2025Episode 3820 min

Speak Now or Forever Sign That Release – Part 2

This episode of the Subro Sessions podcast, the second in the two-part series entitled: "Speak Now or Forever Sign That Release - Part 2," is hosted by Gus Sara and Lian Skaf, Partners. This episode discusses the topic of subrogation releases including guidance on writing indemnification provisions, what constitutes a valid subrogation claim by a carrier, and how to limit exposure while ensuring fairness and protection for all parties involved.