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Not the usual questions. Not the usual answers. Where We Go Next is a podcast focused on in-depth conversations with the people changing the ways we think, create, and live.

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February 12, 20251 hr 27 min

124: Resisting the Arrogance of Certainty, with Andy Mills

If you listen to podcasts, you’re probably familiar with Andy Mills' work . He was a co-creator of The Daily , the award-winning podcast for the New York Times that attracts millions of listeners each week. He’s also created, produced, and edited Rabbit Hole , Caliphate , and The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling , among others. Andy is a deeply thoughtful, intentionally curious human, and that is readily apparent in his newest show, Reflector , co-created with Matthew Boll. We get into a lot in this conversation, like why has storytelling become increasingly political over the last decade? What happens when politics comes to fill a space in society that religion once did? And how do we get to the truth of an event that involves multiple valid perspectives? If there’s a though line here, it’s a call to reject what Andy calls, “The arrogance of certainty.” Reflector (Substack) // Reflector (Spotify) Rabbit Hole The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling andymills.work Andy Mills: Quitting The New York Times and making 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling' - ReasonTV Andy Mills on How Curiosity Can Save Journalism -- and Us - Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast Episode 201: Mills Spills (with Andy Mills) - Blocked & Reported Ground News gathers news coverage from around the world, empowers free thinking, and makes media bias explicit. Subscribe through my link at https://check.ground.news/Next for 15% off your subscription. If You Liked This Conversation, You'll Probably Like These Episodes of Where We Go Next: 117: The Things We're Afraid to Talk About (But Should), with Sarah Hepola & Nancy Rommelmann 115: Spaceships, Silicon Valley, and Psilocybin, with Ashlee Vance 113: Freethinkers Only, Please, with Meghan Daum 110: The Mounting Evidence That COVID-19 Leaked from a Lab, with Alina Chan 108: Investigative Journalism Is in Jeopardy, with Nancy Rommelmann 105: Religious Cults, Fringe Science, and the Need for Belief, with Ross Blocher & Carrie Poppy 101: Uncovering the Hidden Truths in Political Memoirs, with Carlos Lozada 91: Free Speech Isn't Just for People We Like, with Kat Rosenfield 65: Untangling Partisan Narratives and Fixing Political News, with Isaac Saul 40: Great Writers Must Be Vulnerable in Public, with Andrew Sullivan ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

January 28, 202547 min

123: A Field Manual for Veterans, with Rob Sarver & Alex Gendzier

Rob Sarver is a former Navy SEAL. Assigned to SEAL Team 3, he completed seven deployments during his service. Rob's awards and decorations include the Bronze Star Medal with a combat "V" device and oak leaf cluster and the Combat Action Ribbon with a gold star device. Rob is the Co-Founder of Servius Group and serves as the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of The Heroes Journey. Alex Gendzier is a partner at a top law firm, where he is involved in veteran’s affairs. At his prior firm, he acted as a senior advisor to the VALOR Group, which provides pro bono legal services to veterans and their families, and where he lead his law firms’ efforts to assist Afghan allies and friends. Warrior to Civilian: The Field Manual for the Hero’s Journey , by Rob Sarver & Alex Gendzier ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

January 14, 20251 hr 11 min

122: Striving for a Life of Service, with Danny Miranda

Danny Miranda is the host of The Danny Miranda Podcast and cofounder of Alignment Academy . David Perell Interviews Me | The Danny Miranda Podcast 305 - YouTube Living In Alignment With Nick Sweeney (Danny's return to the podcast) - YouTube Follow Danny on X: @heydannymiranda Follow Dany on Instagram: @heydannymiranda ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

December 26, 20241 hr 40 min

The 3rd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode, with Jay Shapiro

This is the 3rd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode of Where We Go Next, with longtime friend of the show Jay Shapiro. We discuss: • What Jay's been up to in Madrid over the last year • Jay's new book • The upcoming addition to the Callahan family • Jay & Michael's holiday traditions • What we like in a good horror film • Jay's Horror Film Recommendation: Funny Games (1997) • Michael's Horror Film Recommendation: The Thing (1982) • Our shared resolution for 2025 • ...and more! Chasing History and When My World Changed - Dilemma Podcast (YouTube) Palestine and the Growing Defiance of the Global South With Vijay Prashad - Dilemma Podcast (YouTube) whatjaythinks.com "Despair less. Cherish more." ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

December 3, 20242 min

A Welcome Respite

To get the most out of The 3rd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode, watch The Thing (1982) and Funny Games (1997) by December 26th. Thanks for sticking around. Very Special Boxing Day Episodes: The 2nd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode, with Jay Shapiro A Very Special Boxing Day Episode, with Jay Shapiro ---------- If you like this podcast, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

October 22, 20241 hr 1 min

Re-Release: Going to Space, Reusing the Entire Rocket, and Flying Again in 24 Hours, with Andy Lapsa

Andy Lapsa is the co-founder of Stoke Space, a reusable rocket company started in 2019 with the knowledge that fully and rapidly reusable rockets represent the inevitable and necessary future of the space industry. Prior to founding Stoke, Andy was one of the original three members of Blue Origin’s BE-4 team, where he held architecture, design, analysis, and development test leadership roles. Stoke Space Stoke Space Aims to Build Rapidly Reusable Rocket With a Completely Novel Design - Ars Technica First-Of-Its-Kind Rocket Engine Nears First Flight Test - Freethink How Stoke Space's Unique Rocket Works // Exclusive Tour & Interview - Everyday Astronaut (YouTube) Full Reusability By Stoke Space - Everyday Astronaut The Pollution Caused by Rocket Launches - BBC Air Pollution From Reentering Megaconstellation Satellites Could Cause Ozone Hole 2.0 - Space.com Radiative Forcing - MIT Climate Portal 71: Rescuing Animals From the Brink of Extinction, with Forrest Galante - Where We Go Next The Risky Rush for Mega Constellations - Scientific American Kessler Syndrome - Wikipedia Follow Stoke Space on Instagram: @stokespace Follow Stoke Space on X: @stoke_space ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

October 16, 202459 min

121: The Inner Workings and Outsized Benefits of Artificial Intelligence, with Harper Carroll

Harper Carroll is an AI and Machine Learning software engineer and educator known for making complex AI concepts accessible to a wide audience. She has multiple degrees from Stanford University in Computer Science specializing in AI, and industry experience at Meta, working on augmented reality and civic integrity projects. Her online educational content has gained her a following of over 300,000 subscribers on Instagram and YouTube . Harper's 10 Days of AI Basics AI Avatar Demonstration 10 Days of AI x Nuclear: AI's Energy Needs Ground News gathers news coverage from around the world, empowers free thinking, and makes media bias explicit. Subscribe through my link at https://check.ground.news/Next for 15% off your subscription. If You Liked This Conversation, You'll Probably Like These Episodes of Where We Go Next: 115: Spaceships, Silicon Valley, and Psilocybin, with Ashlee Vance 111: The Hidden Forces Driving Our Online Behavior, with Steve Rathje 104: The War for Critical Minerals and Our Electrified Future, with Ernest Scheyder 92: Bayesian Thinking and the Future of Artificial Intelligence, with Max Sklar 89: Harnessing the Revolutionary Power of Nuclear Energy, with Nick Touran 52: The Amazing and Optimistic Future of Augmented Reality, with David Rose 47: A New Philosophy of Progress and Why We Don’t Have Flying Cars, with Jason Crawford 27: How to Make the Internet Accessible for Everyone, with Jennison Asuncion harpercaroll.ai Follow Harper on Instagram: @harpercarrollai Follow Harper on YouTube: @harpercarrollai Follow Harper on TikTok: @harpercarrollai Follow Harper on X: @harpercarroll Follow Harper on Patreon: @harpercarrollai ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

October 8, 20241 hr 2 min

120: Hot Gossip, Hard-Nosed Reporting, and the Tabloid That Changed America, with Susan Mulcahy & Frank Digiacomo

Susan Mulcahy and Frank DiGiacomo are former reporters for The New York Post and co-authors of Paper of Wreckage: The Rogues, Renegades, Wiseguys, Wankers, and Relentless Reporters Who Redefined American Media . Susan worked on Page Six from 1978 to 1985, including three years as editor. She has also written for The New Yorker and The New York Times . Frank worked as a Page Six freelancer in the late 1980s and was its editor from 1991 to 1993. He is currently an executive editor at Billboard . The Gossip Behind the Gossip , by Frank DiGiacomo for Vanity Fair Confessions of a Trump Tabloid Scribe , by Susan Mulcahy for Politico A Tabloid Alum Blasts News to the New York Post Nation , by Susan Mulcahy for The New Yorker Ground News gathers news coverage from around the world, empowers free thinking, and makes media bias explicit. Subscribe through my link at https://check.ground.news/Next for 15% off your subscription. If You Liked This Conversation, You'll Probably Like These Episodes of Where We Go Next: 108: Investigative Journalism Is in Jeopardy, with Nancy Rommelmann 105: Religious Cults, Fringe Science, and the Need for Belief, with Ross Blocher & Carrie Poppy 104: The War for Critical Minerals and Our Electrified Future, with Ernest Scheyder 101: Uncovering the Hidden Truths in Political Memoirs, with Carlos Lozada 91: Free Speech Isn't Just for People We Like, with Kat Rosenfield 65: Untangling Partisan Narratives and Fixing Political News, with Isaac Saul 45: Filming the News as It Happens, with Ford Fischer 6: Every News Story Is a Kind of Fiction, with Shaun Cammack ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

October 2, 20241 hr 52 min

Re-Release: Black Culture Is Not a Monolith, with Bertrand Cooper

Bertrand Cooper is a writer and education professional based in Los Angeles. Drawing on twenty six years of deprivation and a Master's in Education Theory and Policy, his writing explores the depictions of poverty in society. Who Actually Gets to Create Black Pop Culture? , by Bertrand Cooper I Escaped Poverty, But Hunger Still Haunts Me , by Bertrand Cooper The Failure of Affirmative Action , by Bertrand Cooper Is it Possible for Black Creatives to Exploit the Poor? w/ Damon Young & Bertrand Cooper - Bad Faith podcast Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life , by Karen and Barbara Fields Blacks See Growing Values Gap Between Poor and Middle Class (2007) - Pew Research Center The Devastating Effects of Concentrated Poverty , by Ta-Nehisi Coates Architecture of Segregation , by Paul Jargowsky Neighborhood Income Composition by Household Race and Income, 1990 - 2009 - Stanford Black Boy Fly , by Kendrick Lamar (YouTube) Identity Theft , by Zaid Jilani Black Jeopardy with Tom Hanks - SNL (YouTube) Roger Ebert Speaks Out at a Better Luck Tomorrow Screening - YouTube 1,000 True Fans , by Kevin Kelly Inequality Is High Within the Black Community , by Bertrand Cooper Follow Bertrand on X: @_BlackTrash ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast

September 24, 20241 hr 26 min

119: The Virtues of Being a Black Sheep, with Salomé Sibonex

Salomé Sibonex is a writer, artist, and co-founder of The Black Sheep, a publication that frees people to take the path less traveled. She's given talks at FreedomFest and LibertyCon on how creative freedom allows us all to forge our own path—if we dare. The Black Sheep Ground News gathers news coverage from around the world, empowers free thinking, and makes media bias explicit. Subscribe through my link at https://check.ground.news/Next for 15% off your subscription. If You Liked This Conversation, You'll Probably Like These Episodes of Where We Go Next: 113: Freethinkers Only, Please, with Meghan Daum 107: We’re Getting “Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” All Wrong, with Chloé Valdary 100: When Victimhood is Leveraged for Personal Gain, with Andrew Boryga 44: The Unresolvable Tension of Overlapping Identities, with Tomiwa Owolade 39: Black Culture Is Not a Monolith, with Bertrand Cooper 38: Curiosity Is a Skill We Can Learn, with Mónica Guzmán 36: True Inclusivity Requires Moral Courage, with Irshad Manji 12: How Tragedy Can Lead to Growth, with Ayishat Akanbi 3: A Challenge to Move Beyond Racialized Identities, with Inaya Folarin Iman 2: Expanding What It Means to Be American, with Zaid Jilani Follow Salomé on X: @SalomeSibonex Follow Salomé on Instagram: @SalomeSibonex ---------- If you liked this episode, consider sharing it with someone you think might like it too. Email: michael@wherewegonext.com Instagram: @wwgnpodcast