Conversations to inspire expansion and growth. Welcome to the Live+Work More Human podcast (formerly We Are Human Leaders), Co-hosted by Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke. The home of big ideas, bold conversations and brave questions on all things work, life and leadership. We focus on what’s novel: new takes on leadership, new research and insights, new ways of looking at things. We share stories, data, inspiration and insight in conversations designed to spark ‘aha’ moments – and empower you to create change, live and lead authentically, and build workplaces where people thrive. Join us, and be the change you want to see at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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September 29, 20268 min
How Digital Distraction is Costing Your Creativity
Welcome to Brain Snacks! This tasty morsel of a conversation between your cohosts Alexis and Sally, Alexis Zahner explains how constant screen use and digital distracting is draining your creativity. This comes directly from research for her new book Real: Reconnecting to Yourself in a World of Likes and Lies which is now available everywhere. Order it at the link below. This Brain Snack is a snippet of the conversation with Alexis and Sally on Digital Distraction that you can now streaming on all major platforms, or find it directly here. Order your copy of Real right now. Learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
September 22, 202610 min
How does guilt and shame impact how we see ourselves?
Welcome to Brain Snacks! This tasty morsel of a conversation between your cohosts Alexis and Sally, and Lodro Rinzler explores how guilt and shame impacts how we see ourselves, our relationships and how we move through the world. It's a snippet from the full conversation with Lodro Rinzler that you can find on our website, and on all major streaming platforms now. Learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
September 15, 202619 min
A personal update from Alexis and Sally
In this short episode with Alexis and Sally, we give you a personal update from us. The news is, we're going to be taking a short break from Live+Work More Human for the next few months while we're deep in big projects. Alexis is releasing her debut book Real: Reconnecting to Yourself in a World of Likes and Lies (Wiley) this September, and Sally is deep in burnout consultancy working supporting people and organisations from all over the world. What this means is that we can't give you, our community, the full time and attention you deserve through our podcast. In the meantime we'll share a few brainsnack episodes from recent conversations, and let you know soon what the next steps look like for us. Please enjoy some of our previous episodes via your favourite streaming platform, on Youtube or right here: liveandworkmorehuman.com It's not a goodbye, it's a see you soon! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
September 8, 20269 min
Brain Snack: How Self Worth is Key to Avoiding Burnout
Welcome to Brain Snacks! This tasty morsel of a conversation between your cohosts Alexis and Sally explores how self worth can be a key buffer against burnout. You will learn practical strategies to peel back the layers of influence to understand how to attune to your authentic self. Key topics How inherited values impact your thoughts about work and self worth Strategies for aligning to yourself The power of personal values How reconnecting to yourself, and valuing yourself buffers against burnout How leaders can model high self worth for their team Learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
September 1, 202627 min
Can Microdosing Awe Help You Reframe Stress?
Outrage is loud, exhausting, and — according to your feed — mandatory. But what if the antidote to burnout isn't more hustle, more mindfulness apps, or more optimisation... it's awe? This week, hosts Sally Clarke and Alexis Zahner unpack Sally's Fast Company piece on "microdosing awe" — the radical, deceptively simple practice of pausing to notice something vast, and why it might be the most underrated tool in your burnout-prevention kit. In this episode Why awe isn't fluffy — it's a nervous-system reset that pulls you out of fight-flight-freeze and into healing mode The psychology of the "small self": why softening your ego (not shrinking yourself) is protective against burnout How awe slots into Sally's BRNT framework (Breathe, Rest, Nourish, Talk) as the connective thread, not a fifth pillar Why we're "saturated with outrage and starved of wonder" — and how algorithms are built to keep it that way Anger is initiatory, not transformative: holding outrage and awe at the same time, not choosing between them Emotional boundaries around what you consume — because nourishment isn't just food, it's your media diet The "stravification" trap: why turning awe into a measurable, optimised habit kills the whole point Practical ways to bring awe into the workplace — team WhatsApp photo threads, opening meetings with an awe share, one-on-one check-ins Sally's five straight days of sensory overload in the Amazon jungle, and what it taught her about resetting perspective back home Key takeaways Awe = an automatic nervous-system regulator. You don't have to "think" your way to calm — your body can get you there in seconds. You don't need Kilimanjaro. A sunset, a dog in the park, a piece of music — the size of the moment doesn't matter, the noticing does. The "small self" isn't about being less — it's about stepping out of ego so you can see your problems (and yourself) more clearly. Outrage and awe aren't opposites. You can be furious about broken systems and still let wonder ground you — one doesn't cancel the other out. Urgency culture is profitable, not accidental. Outrage drives engagement — recognising that removes the self-blame. Nourishment includes your media diet. What you scroll shapes your nervous system as much as what you eat. Don't gamify awe. The second you're tracking "awe points," you've lost the plot — this is the opposite of a metrics game. Bring it to work in small doses: open a meeting with an awe share, start a team photo thread, ask "what impressed you lately?" in a 1:1. Awe is a courageous, almost radical act in a culture that rewards visible exhaustion — doing it anyway is the point. Links & mentions Sally's article on microdosing awe is out via Fast Company — find the link and more of Sally's writing at salcla.com Sally's BRNT framework (Breathe, Rest, Nourish, Talk) — explored across her books and workshops Referenced: Tara Brach's teaching that "anger is initiatory, not transformative" see more at tarabrach.com Live + Work More Human is hosted by Sally Clarke and Alexis Zahner. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
August 25, 202612 min
Brain Snack: How to Make AI Work For You
Welcome to Brain Snacks! This tasty morsel of a conversation between your cohosts Alexis and Sally explores how AI can – if used effectively and thoughtfully – be a powerful tool to enhance human work, reduce burnout, and foster trust and creativity within teams. You will learn practical strategies for integrating AI ethically and in a human-centered way. Key topics AI as an enabler for human work Reducing burnout through AI Leadership strategies for AI integration Building trust and psychological safety Using AI data insights for organizational change Learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
August 18, 202625 min
Digital Distraction: Leading Through The Noise
Digital connectivity was supposed to make us faster, sharper, and more connected. Instead, it's quietly taxing the very things that make leaders effective: creativity, emotional regulation, real productivity, and trust. In this episode, Alexis unpacks "the digital leader's paradox" — the tension of needing technology to perform while it simultaneously erodes the conditions for high performance. Drawing on the article she co-wrote with Professor Martin Gutmann (Lucerne School of Business) and Dr. Scott J. Allen (SMU Cox School of Business), Alexis walks through the four hidden costs of digital distraction — creative, emotional, productive, and relational — and makes the case that this isn't a personal discipline problem. It's a culture problem. She closes with the practical shifts leaders can make to design for focus, model presence, and lead the paradox rather than pretend it can be solved with a few "no phones after 6pm" rules. In this conversation, we explore: Why digital distraction should be treated as an organisational risk , not just a personal willpower issue How fragmented attention specifically undermines creativity and strategic thinking Why "always on" leadership mirrors athlete overtraining — and what happens without recovery time The real cost of interruptions: task-switching can cut productivity by up to 40%, and it can take over 20 minutes to recover focus after a single notification What phubbing is, and how it quietly erodes trust and psychological safety on a team Five concrete practices high-performing leaders use to protect focus and presence without unplugging from work entirely Why the answer isn't more discipline — it's a deliberate shift in team and organisational culture Find more information about this topic and Alexis' article right here: https://www.wearehumanleaders.com/podcast/digital-distraction-alexis-zahner Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
August 11, 20267 min
Brain Snack: How to Recognise Achievement Syndrome
Welcome to Brain Snacks, bite sized learning moments from Live+Work More Human. In today's Brain Snack, Dara Simkin explores the concept of achievement syndrome, its roots in early programming, and its impact on burnout and authentic living. This succinct conversation delves into systemic influences, personal identity, and strategies for fostering genuine fulfillment. Key takeaways Achievement syndrome origins and impact Systemic influences on success and burnout The role of early programming and societal norms Listen to the full conversation with Dara right here , and learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Happy Brain Snacking! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
August 4, 202629 min
Three Things are Burning You Out
In this deeply honest conversation, your intrepid cohosts Alexis Zahner and Sally Clarke unpack why burnout keeps rising globally despite decades of research, media coverage, and “awareness” — and why it is *never* an individual weakness or failure. Drawing on Sally’s work in burnout prevention and Alexis’s lived experiences across marketing, government, and consulting, we explore burnout as a *perfect storm* of three intertwined layers: societal narratives that glorify work and rugged individualism, organizational cultures that reward unsustainable effort while undermining autonomy, and the internalised beliefs we carry about our worth, productivity, and “being a good worker.” We explore: Why burnout is *never* a sign of personal weakness, poor time management, or not trying hard enough — and why it disproportionately impacts top performers, high‑achievers, and deeply responsible people. Burnout as a “perfect storm”: how societal, organizational, and internalised layers interact to create chronic stress and disillusionment, often in ways that are invisible until people are already burning out. The organizational drivers of burnout, from heavy workloads and poor leadership to bureaucracy, friction, and hypocrisy cultures where wellbeing messages don’t match lived reality. The slow‑burn version of burnout: when work is not just “too much” but too misaligned, too inefficient, and too full of rework — draining spirit and motivation even when you care deeply about what you do. Societal narratives that venerate work and conflating self‑worth with job title, prestige, or salary, including generational dynamics and cross‑cultural differences between places like the US, Australia, Japan, and the Netherlands. How internalised stories about being a “good worker” or a “good girl/boy/person” can keep us stuck on the hamster wheel, over‑accepting responsibility and outsourcing our values to organisations. The existential dimension of burnout: the painful gap between the career and impact we hoped for and the reality of how work feels — and why cynicism, disillusionment, and “what’s the point?” are key warning signs. Self‑knowledge as a burnout antidote: practical reflection questions to unpack where your beliefs about work came from and whether they actually align with how you want your life to look and feel. Why self‑compassion is not indulgent but essential when disentangling self‑worth from productivity, prestige, and external approval. Concrete steps leaders can take right now: friction audits with their teams, small systems changes, and genuine role modelling of healthy behaviour instead of “do as I say, not as I do.” Reframing burnout in this way is not about blaming organisations alone or bypassing personal responsibility; it’s about seeing the whole system we swim in, so we can create more courageous, honest, and sustainable ways of living and working — together. Learn more including all the links you're after and a full transcript at liveandworkmorehuman.com Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
July 28, 202610 min
Brain Snack: How to Counter Your Ageism Bias
Your latest Brain Snack explores the evolving relationship with aging, challenging stereotypes, and emphasizing the value of older adults in society and the workplace. Dr. Corinne Auman shares insights on internalized ageism, the benefits of aging, and how to reframe societal narratives. Key takeaways include Internalized ageism and self-reflection The positive aspects of aging and personal growth Societal narratives and media portrayal of aging Lifelong learning and career transitions in older age Empowering older adults and challenging stereotypes Listen to the full conversation with Dr Auman right here , and learn more at www.liveandworkmorehuman.com Happy Brain Snacking! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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