The Two Marketeers Podcast

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August 19, 2025Episode 2021 min

Crisis? What Crisis? - Season 5 Finale

Marketeers, grab your delulu mindset (yes, Sean and Lindsay are still rolling with it) and settle in—because The Two Marketeers are wrapping up Season 5 with the big question they started with: is creativity actually in crisis, or are we all just addicted to the drama? In this finale, Sean and Lindsay take a fast-and-loose tour through the season’s hottest debates: AI in marketing—friend, foe, or just another overhyped tool? Doing more with less (aka the marketer’s Olympic sport). Hybrid teams, smaller budgets, shrinking timelines—fuel for creative thinking or a slow death by a thousand briefs? Why “uncertainty” isn’t new (spoiler: life has always been messy). And the spicy idea that maybe—just maybe—everyone is creative. This isn’t your average “state of marketing” episode. The Two Marketeers deliver a cheeky, caffeine-fueled sendoff that lands on a surprisingly hopeful take: creativity isn’t dying—it’s adapting. From AI-powered shortcuts to scrappy constraints, this season proves that human creativity thrives under pressure (and loves a good plot twist). If you’ve ever worried that the robots are taking your job, your budget is shrinking, or your boss thinks “delulu” is a strategy, this one’s for you. Listen in, laugh a little, and leave with a fresh perspective on where marketing (and your creativity) goes next.

August 7, 2025Episode 1917 min

Insight Famine - Part 2

Welcome back, Marketeers! In Part 2 of the Insight Famine series, Lindsay and Sean are getting real about the crumbling state of brand strategy—and what’s behind it. Spoiler: it’s not just AI, it’s the people too. From the myth that “I’m not creative” to the obsession with shortcuts and the undervaluing of true strategic thinking, Sean and Lindsay unpack the root causes of today’s creativity crisis. They dig into the State of Creativity 2025 report, explore why real insights matter more than ever in marketing, and challenge the idea that creative strategy can survive without deep human thinking. Expect hot takes on: The art and science of insight development Why AI still needs a human brain (and heart) The emotional power of real consumer understanding How imposter syndrome kills creative confidence Why experienced strategists still matter (a lot) And the radical honesty required to do this job well If you’ve ever been asked to “just write the strategy in five slides” or make a creative brief with no brief, this one’s for you. Listen in for a no-BS conversation that marketers, creatives, strategists, and CMOs need right now.

July 22, 2025Episode 1818 min

Insight Famine - Part 1

In this episode of The Two Marketeers Podcast, marketing strategists Lindsay Waugh and Sean Patrick dig into the latest State of Creativity 2025 report and uncover a surprising diagnosis: we’re living in an insight famine. Despite having more marketing data, research tools, and AI-generated outputs than ever before, something crucial is missing—real human insight. Lindsay and Sean explore how modern marketers are stuck translating facts into creative ideas without the connective tissue that makes campaigns resonate. Tune in as they unpack: Why creative confidence is on the decline in uncertain times How insight acts as the bridge between research and brand storytelling What junior strategists are missing—and how to evolve from data-first to insight-led marketing Why radical honesty in client briefs is a game-changer And what role art vs. science (and even AI) plays in the creative process today This episode is a must-listen for anyone in brand strategy, advertising, creative direction, or consumer insight roles looking to spark more meaningful, effective marketing. If you’ve ever sat in a meeting wondering where the “aha” moment went, this one’s for you. For reference: WARC, "State of Creativity 2025" Report

July 8, 2025Episode 1719 min

The Art of Pitching

What makes a pitch actually work? Is it the million-dollar deck? The standing ovation? The sushi chef flown in for extra flair? In this episode, Lindsay Waugh and Sean Patrick get real about the messy, unpredictable, often-theatrical world of marketing pitches. They’re talking big swings, big personalities, and even bigger questions—like why some of the best pitches don’t win, and why some of the worst ones somehow do. From pitch pressure to pitch prep, pitch theatre to pitch truth, this one’s for anyone who’s ever crafted a killer presentation and still walked away empty-handed. You’ll hear hot takes on: Why being unapologetically you in the room is the ultimate power move When pitch theatre helps—and when it totally backfires The real reason clients choose agencies (hint: it’s not your process slide) What makes a pitch feel more like Survivor than strategy Whether you’re pitching to win, pitching for fun, or just trying to survive the next RFP—this episode will hit home.

June 24, 2025Episode 1622 min

Creative that Lasts

Should You Kill Your Campaign or Build a Brand Platform? What makes a campaign stick—for 15 years? In this episode of The Two Marketeers Podcast, marketing strategists Lindsay Waugh and Sean Patrick dive into one of the most iconic creative platforms in modern advertising: Snickers’ “You’re Not You When You’re Hungry.” They unpack what made this campaign more than just a clever ad—from emotional storytelling and humour to brand consistency, cultural relevance, and performance longevity. Plus, they break down the difference between a campaign and a true creative platform, what it takes to build brand equity over time, and whether “ad wear-out” is even real (spoiler: System1 has thoughts). If you’re a brand leader, agency partner, or marketer facing tough questions about whether to keep, kill, or evolve your existing creative, this episode is a must-listen. They cover: What actually makes a campaign a creative platform Why Snickers’ long-running campaign still works 15 years later Emotional branding strategies that rise above commodification The myth of ad fatigue and why creative consistency matters How to evaluate the ROI of your campaign in a recessionary market Fluent devices and how they help build lasting brand value This episode is great for CMOs, brand managers, strategists, creatives, and anyone trying to figure out if it’s time to refresh—or double down.

June 12, 2025Episode 1518 min

What Brands Say About Us - Part 2

In Part 2 of "What Brands Say About Us", co-hosts and marketing strategists Sean Patrick and Lindsay Waugh dig deeper into how our relationships with brands reflect who we are—and how that’s changing in today’s world. From Starbucks and Lululemon to IKEA and No Frills, they explore how political climates, economic realities, and personal values influence brand loyalty and self-expression. This episode dives into: Why some brands feel like trusted friends worth defending How consumers balance value brands like Mark’s with luxury splurges What Gen Z’s curated “high-low” lifestyle means for marketers The myth of the brand “silver bullet” and the importance of test-and-learn Why brand leaders need long-term thinking in a short-term world Whether you’re a strategist, brand builder, or just fascinated by the psychology of branding, this episode offers smart, real talk about what it really takes for a brand to stay relevant and loved.

May 23, 2025Episode 1418 min

What Brands Say About Us - Part 1

Why do we really buy what we buy? In this episode of The Two Marketeers podcast, Sean Patrick and Lindsay Waugh go deep on the messy truth about branding: it’s not just about what brands say—it’s about what they say about you. From badge brands that scream status to “quiet luxury” that whispers exclusivity, the conversation dives into how brands become part of our identity, self-worth, and even our emotional reward system. Whether it’s your morning Starbucks ritual, the quiet confidence of a Celine bag, or proudly rocking high-low style with Walmart and Warhol, this episode uncovers how brand choices reflect who we are, who we wish we were, and how we want the world to see us. Expect cultural hot takes, marketing confessions, and insights into: The psychology of luxury and quiet branding How brand loyalty simplifies decision-making in a world of choice overload Why brands act like social currency—from high school to middle age What your “value brand” actually says about your taste And just when it gets comfortable? Lindsay throws in a political curveball that cuts the convo right at the good part. (Don’t worry—Part Two is coming.) Happy listening, Marketeers!

May 14, 2025Episode 1323 min

Pricing Creativity

Let’s talk about the thing that makes creative people squirm: pricing. In this raw and revealing episode of The Two Marketeers Podcast, Lindsay Waugh and Sean Patrick unpack the messy, emotional, often awkward relationship creatives have with charging money for their genius. From accidental budgeting expert to agency veteran turned freelance strategist, Sean shares the lessons learned (and insight from dollars left on the table) along the way. The Two Marketeers are ripping open the outdated belief that time equals value and digging into why value-based pricing is the model creative professionals need—but rarely use right. From scope creep nightmares to undercharging without even knowing it, they explore what it takes to price your work with confidence, clarity, and a bit of swagger. If you’ve ever dreaded the “so what’s your rate?” conversation, this one’s for you. It’s honest. It’s uncomfortable. It’s the real cost of creative work—finally talked about out loud.

April 30, 2025Episode 1222 min

BFF Tone of Voice

In this episode of The Two Marketeers podcast, Lindsay and Sean come for the brands that all sound like they share the same group chat. You know the ones: cheeky, chummy, and desperate to be your bestie — whether they’re slinging soap or selling mortgages. Inspired by a spicy viral post from strategist Joe Burns, they’re unpacking the epidemic of copy-paste quirkiness that’s taken over brand comms. When every brand tries to be “fun,” is anyone actually saying anything? Why are billion-dollar companies talking like your meme-loving roommate — and more importantly, is it working? Listen up as The Two Marketeers break down how this bland brand voice trend took over, what’s driving it, and how to stop your brand from sounding like everyone else at the party. Expect hot takes, agency confessions, and no holding back as they call out the difference between authentic and just… algorithm-friendly. Grab your AirPods. This one gets juicy. For reference: Joe Burns > Linkedin: Your Cool Friend™ https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7297588935617138689/ Sonder & Tell > Bestie, can we chat xoxo https://sonderandtell.substack.com/p/bestie-can-we-chat-xoxo?utm_medium=web

April 17, 2025Episode 1120 min

Brand is the Multiplier

This episode of The Two Marketeers podcast explores the Multiplier Effect in marketing—aka the critical (and often ignored) balance between brand and performance. Sean and Lindsay dive into a new report by WARC that challenges how we define marketing success today, spotlighting how brand marketing’s long-term impact is consistently undervalued compared to the short-term sugar highs of performance metrics. We’re talking about the “messy middle” of consumer decision-making, the cracks in how marketing gets measured, and why it’s time to ditch the silos between brand and performance once and for all. As WARC puts it: “We’re excited to introduce The Multiplier Effect, a data-driven analysis that reveals why many advertisers are leaving significant revenue-generating opportunities on the table.” Built with insights from a first-of-its-kind coalition of advertising effectiveness experts—including Analytic Partners, BERA.ai, Prophet, and System1—this report argues that the strongest returns come from using brand equity as an accelerant for commercial performance. In other words? When brand and performance finally start playing on the same team, you unlock exponential growth. Happy listening, Marketeers. See The Multiplier Effect by WARC here > https://page.warc.com/the-multiplier-effect-report