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October 12, 20261 hr 25 min

The Space Show Presents Andrew Chanin on SpaceX IPO, UFO ETF and more.

The Space Show Presents Andrew Chanin, Friday, July 17, 2026 Quick Summary: This was a Friday Morning Space Show program where host David Livingston interviewed Andrew Chanin, Co-founder and CEO of ProcureAM, about their UFO ETF (space exchange-traded fund) and SpaceX’s recent IPO performance. Andrew explained that SpaceX was added to UFO at approximately 4.61% weighting after qualifying under new fast-track inclusion rules for pure-play mega cap space IPOs, though the stock has since declined below its IPO price due to market selloffs following the initial hype. The discussion covered how UFO’s index methodology defines space companies using revenue thresholds and the Karman line, with SpaceX currently classified as a pure-play space company despite potential future changes if it merged with Tesla. Andrew noted that while SpaceX’s performance has impacted the broader space industry, the company’s public status now allows more investors to gain exposure to space-related businesses, and he compared the current market environment to previous space investment cycles. Detailed Summary: Andrew discussed the recent addition of SpaceX to the UFO ETF, explaining that it was included at a 6% weighting due to its mega-cap space IPO status, with potential to increase to 15% at future rebalances. He noted that SpaceX’s stock price has declined from its IPO price, similar to other space industry stocks, and discussed how lockup periods and increasing share supply could impact the market. The conversation also covered UFO’s portfolio allocation across sectors and how SpaceX’s classification fits within the fund’s industry breakdowns. Andrew confirmed that UFO (SpaceX) is listed on NASDAQ and explained the fund’s rules regarding pure play versus diversified aerospace companies. He discussed how a potential merger between SpaceX and Tesla could affect the company’s qualifications for the fund, noting that if less than 50% of revenue came from space but more than $500 million annually came from space, it could still potentially qualify but at a lower weight. Andrew also addressed questions about SpaceX’s complex share release schedule and lockup periods for different types of investors, explaining that these restrictions are common to prevent insiders from selling large stakes quickly. Andrew also discussed the recent sell-off in the UFO ETF, drawing parallels to the post-SPAC boom bust cycle and suggesting that current market volatility presents an opportunity to evaluate space industry companies based on individual merits rather than broad market trends. He explained that while delays or failures could impact individual stocks, the passive ETF structure tracks the Vetti Space Index methodology and rebalances quarterly, allowing for natural adjustments in company weightings. Andrew noted that past examples like AST SpaceMobile demonstrated how companies could rapidly increase their fund weightings during quarters before being rebalanced back to index requirements. Dr. Kothari presented his company’s design for a ramjet powered by a molten salt reactor, asking if it would qualify as an aerospace application under a space index. Andrew explained that the index provider uses the Karman line as the definition for space, so technologies operating below this line would be considered aerospace rather than space companies. Andrew noted that while technology could potentially qualify for aerospace or defense funds, the index has specific rules requiring pure-play space companies with revenue derived from space-related activities. David and Andrew discussed the potential for data centers in space, particularly in light of emerging political platforms opposing data center construction. Andrew explained that while space data centers could address energy and water requirements, there are ongoing innovations in energy-efficient data center technologies that might make traditional solutions more viable. Dr. Kothari interjected about molten salt reactors that could eliminate water requirements for data centers. Andrew suggested that SpaceX, with its existing capabilities in space technology and solar power, could potentially leverage space-based solar energy to power their data centers on Earth. Our guest talked about the top 10 space companies in his index, including Sirius, Trimble, Garmin, Viasat, SpaceX, EchoStar, Planet Labs, AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, and Iridium. He noted that Boeing, while not in the top 10, was the 16th largest holding at 2.77% weighting. Andrew explained how the space industry has evolved over seven years, with the fund expanding from 30 to over 60 publicly traded names globally, including companies from South Korea, Japan, Europe, Canada, and the US. When asked about Blue Origin, Andrew clarified that it remains a private company separate from Amazon and is not a holding in his fund, though Amazon has contracted with multiple launch providers including Blue Origin for its Project Kuiper satellite constellation. Andrew mentioned that Lockheed Martin currently holds 2.7% of the index, ranking as the 18th largest holding and sitting just below Boeing. He noted that while space is an important segment for Lockheed Martin, the company operates in a diversified business model with space revenue between 20-50% of total revenue. Andrew also discussed how the index considers global space companies from developed markets, not just the US, and mentioned a recent rule change allowing fast-track inclusion for pure-play space companies with market caps over $100 billion, referencing SpaceX’s IPO as an example. The discussion further focused on the impact of SpaceX’s IPO on the commercial space industry. Andrew argued that the IPO has been positive, as it allows more people to invest in and benefit from SpaceX’s success, including through pension funds and index trackers. He noted that SpaceX’s achievements have helped lower the cost of accessing space, enabling more companies and technologies to enter the market. Marshall raised a question about evaluating the value of classified military contracts in SpaceX’s financial reports, to which Andrew responded that they track indices that include such companies based on methodology rules. Our guest referred to the challenges of valuing investments in cutting-edge technologies, particularly in space exploration, noting the difficulty in assessing potential returns from classified projects and long-term initiatives like Mars terraforming. He highlighted the growing influence of retail investors, who are becoming more active and coordinated through shared information online, though they compete against professional traders in sophisticated financial markets. When asked about the accuracy of financial news, David inquired about Andrew’s perspective on the quality of financial reporting, but the transcript ended before Andrew could respond. Later in our program we discussed the importance of approaching financial news with skepticism and highlighted the volatility of markets, sharing a personal experience from the 2009 flash crash. He noted that retail traders now have more opportunities to express opinions through various leveraged products but emphasized the need for thorough due diligence. Andrew also shared his positive experiences with various media outlets, particularly mentioning Morgan Brennan at CNBC and Charles Payne, while expressing appreciation for the enthusiasm of space-focused journalists. The conversation concluded with a discussion about prediction markets and their regulation, followed by an exploration of succession planning at SpaceX, which remains a topic of interest despite limited public information. Our final discussion topic focused on Elon Musk’s role and potential succession plans at SpaceX. Andrew explained that while Musk holds significant sway as a large shareholder, specific succession plans are not publicly available, similar to other major companies like JPMorgan Chase. The conversation explored Musk’s ambitious goals for SpaceX, including colonizing Mars, and discussed how his vision drives company direction while acknowledging that space exploration requires more than one person’s involvement. The participants also touched on Musk’s other companies like Boring Company and Tesla, noting how his leadership influences multiple ventures simultaneously. Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Upcoming Programs: No program for Tuesday, July 13. Space Show full schedule for the week will be posted here soon. See upcoming program menu on the far right of our home page, www.thespaceshow.com . Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

October 11, 20261 hr 27 min

The Space Show Presents Dr. Mark Shelhamer re His New Book On Humans To Mars, “Are We Ready To Go.”

The Space Show Presents Dr. Mark Shelhamer, Friday, Oct. 9, 2026, “Are We Ready” Quick Summary: This was a Space Show podcast discussion with Dr. Mark Shelhamer, author of “Are We Ready?” about the human challenges of Mars missions. Dr. Shelhamer, a biomedical engineer and former chief scientist of NASA’s Human Research Program, explained that current approaches to human spaceflight treat medical issues in isolated silos rather than addressing the complex interactions between physiological and psychological systems during long-duration spaceflight. He emphasized that Mars missions would face unprecedented challenges due to the three-year total mission duration, communication delays of up to 22 minutes one-way, and the inability to turn back once the spacecraft reaches a certain distance from Earth. The discussion covered various medical concerns including bone and muscle degradation, cardiovascular changes, psychological stress, and the limited capability to treat medical emergencies without immediate Earth support. Participants also discussed the potential for robotic surgery in space, the role of artificial intelligence for psychological support, and the importance of crew autonomy in making real-time medical decisions. Dr. Shelhamer noted that while NASA has developed risk-mitigation approaches for known problems, there is a need for more integrated research that considers how multiple systems interact during spaceflight, as well as better simulation environments that combine physiological and psychological stressors. Detailed Summary: The discussion focused on the human aspects of Mars exploration, with David expressing concern about why advocates like Musk don’t discuss human medical challenges and life support systems in detail. John Jossy suggested that Musk’s focus is primarily motivational and that technical aspects like transportation come first, with life support considerations addressed later. The conversation then transitioned to introducing Dr. Mark Shelhamer as the guest for the Space Show, with plans to discuss his new book “Are We Ready?” about human factors in Mars exploration. Mark discussed his new book about human space travel to Mars, highlighting the need to rethink how we approach human space missions due to the complex interactions between various subsystems affecting human health and performance in space. He emphasized that current research tends to address problems in isolation rather than considering how these systems interact holistically, arguing that this approach will not be sufficient for the extreme challenges of a Mars mission. Mark also noted that while medical issues in space have been surprisingly frequent despite decades of spaceflight, a better understanding of human health in stressful environments could benefit both space missions and Earth-based healthcare. David and Mark discussed preparation for human spaceflight missions, particularly to Mars. Mark explained that while there are measures for monitoring physiological responses to space conditions on Earth, there are no current standards for assessing an astronaut’s ability to adapt to multiple stressors simultaneously during a mission. He noted that NASA uses analog facilities like HERA and CHAPIA to simulate space conditions, but these facilities don’t integrate both physiological and psychological stressors. David raised concerns about medical treatment capabilities during long-duration missions where astronauts cannot return to Earth, and Mark responded that current Mars mission plans would take approximately six to nine months. Mark discussed the challenges of planning a Mars mission, highlighting the need for crew autonomy due to communication delays and limited medical supplies. He explained that current medical planning uses probabilistic risk assessments to prepare for potential health issues, but emphasized the difficulty of making decisions about resource allocation when faced with unexpected medical situations. Mark noted that space missions regularly encounter unexpected medical conditions, suggesting that new challenges may arise during a Mars mission that have not been anticipated. Mark discussed the challenges of psychological and mental health issues in space missions, noting a lack of comprehensive information on the research side and privacy constraints that limit data sharing between research and medical operations teams. He cited an example from astronaut Peggy Whitson’s experience where a crewmate struggled with severe homesickness during a mission, highlighting the potential psychological challenges of long-duration space travel. Bill agreed that the psychological burden might differ significantly between NASA’s first crewed Mars mission and Elon Musk’s proposed large-scale colonization efforts, suggesting that non-professional astronauts might face greater psychological challenges during the journey to Mars. Mark and Bill discussed the differences between professional government astronauts and private citizen commercial astronauts, with Mark acknowledging that while private astronauts like Jared Isaacman may be high-performing individuals, they lack the formal risk calculation experience of professional astronauts. Dr. Kothari raised a philosophical question about human adaptability, suggesting that NASA might be overestimating psychological and physiological challenges of long-duration spaceflight. Mark responded by acknowledging the possibility of being wrong about his concerns and explained how complex systems can produce unexpected emergent properties, using elevated CO2 levels in spacecraft as an example of how multiple secondary effects could create significant problems on a Mars mission. Mark and Ajay discussed the concept of resilience in complex systems, using commercial aviation as an example of how systems can maintain functionality despite unexpected circumstances. Ajay cited the Dubai flight as a recent example where quick thinking by crew members helped resolve an emergency situation. David pointed out that the success of such situations often depends on random factors, including the specific skills and backgrounds of the people involved, which presents challenges for Mars missions where crew selection and training would be critical. The group discussed resilience and randomness in emergency situations, using examples like the flight incident and Apollo 13 to illustrate how untrained actions can contribute to survival. Mark emphasized the importance of both risk mitigation and promoting positive aspects in complex systems. John Jossy raised questions about AI and psychological support during long-duration missions, particularly regarding potential dependencies and emotional attachments to AI systems. Mark acknowledged these concerns and noted that while conventional AI applications like monitoring are discussed in their book, the specific psychological aspects of AI dependency are not extensively covered. The group discussed the challenges of human spaceflight in microgravity environments, particularly focusing on muscle and bone degradation, spacesuit limitations during EVA activities, and the potential benefits of partial gravity on Mars (0.38G) and the Moon at its even lower gravity level. Mark explained that while partial gravity might help mitigate some physiological issues like fluid shifts in the head, this remains unknown because proper experiments would require a human centrifuge in space, which does not currently exist. David raised questions about whether NASA and the broader space community are making progress on understanding the “gravity prescription” for human spaceflight, and asked for Mark’s suggestions on thriving during Mars missions. Mark discussed the limitations of artificial gravity as a countermeasure for space travel, noting that while it addresses physiological challenges like bone and muscle issues, it does not address behavioral health and performance problems or deep space radiation effects. He explained that current approaches to human spaceflight are primarily engineering-focused on risk mitigation rather than a broader systems perspective on how humans respond to space environments. Mark indicated that answers to these questions may not be available before Mars missions, particularly since research funding is limited and the current approach focuses on specific known problems rather than conceptual big-picture thinking about human responses to space stress. Mark discussed the concept of thriving on Mars missions, emphasizing the need for humans to contribute serendipitous observations and address unexpected challenges. He suggested that NASA should develop more integrated simulation approaches, combining different environmental factors like isolation and confinement with physiological studies, and recommended further research into mathematical modeling of complex systems for resilience. When asked about robotic surgery in space, Mark explained that while robotic surgery requires human oversight even on Earth, the time lag would make it impractical for Mars missions in the foreseeable future, though it might become feasible for moon bases or longer Mars stays. Mark discussed his book “Are We Ready?” which explores the challenges of medical care in space, emphasizing the need for a nursing-focused approach rather than traditional medical care. He argued that space missions should prioritize health maintenance and prevention over acute medical treatment, with crew members providing mutual support and monitoring. The discussion highlighted significant challenges around performing surgery in space, including the need for specialized equipment, trained personnel, and post-operative care, with Mark noting that astronauts would likely be out of practice for medical procedures after decades of training. Attendees: David Livingston (Organizer), Dr. Ajay Kothari (External), Bill Gowan (External), John Hunt (External), Mark Shelhamer (guest), John Jossy (External) Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Upcoming Programs: To Be Posted On Substack Soon! Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

October 11, 20261 hr 35 min

The Space Show Presents Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Discussing His New Book, “New Space Capitalism: The Entrepreneurial Path to the Stars”

The Space Show Presents Dr. Rainer Zitelmann & his new book, “New Space Capitalism: The Entrepreneurial Path to the Stars,” Sunday, 10-4-26: Meeting Summary: The Space Show featured Dr. Rainer Zitelmann discussing his book “New Space Capitalism” plus our guest talked about the importance of property rights for the future of space exploration and development. Dr. Zitelmann argued that private enterprise, not government-led efforts, is the key to progress in space, using historical examples like the American West and economic reforms in countries such as China, Vietnam, and India. He emphasized the necessity of legal frameworks allowing private ownership of celestial bodies to incentivize investment and development, comparing the potential process to historical land claims. The discussion also touched on the current political climate, with concerns about anti-capitalist trends and the need for a legal and economic framework to support space commercialization. Panelists and guests, including myself, John Jossy, Manuel, and Dr. Kothari engaged with Dr. Zitelmann on topics ranging from SpaceX’s market position to the role of billionaires in space development. The conversation highlighted the challenges posed by international treaties like the Outer Space Treaty and the differing views between U.S. and European legal experts on property rights in space. Detailed Summary: David and Dr. Zitelmann discussed property rights in space. I shared my 25-year history with the topic and my doctoral research on property rights in space. Rainer compared historical land settlement patterns in the United States, China, and Vietnam to potential future space development, arguing that settlement often precedes legal recognition. The conversation highlighted different approaches to space settlement, with David referencing Jim Benson’s controversial 1998 proposal to economically develop asteroids which faced significant opposition from NASA and astronomical scientists. Jim’s bottom line was to do and let others take the legal action to stop it. The group discussed concerns about the rise of anti-capitalist and Marxist movements in the United States, with Rainer noting his prescience in writing “The Power of Capitalism” eight years ago. David expressed worry about these trends affecting upcoming elections, while Rainer highlighted the lack of good political alternatives between Trump and far-left Democrats. The meeting included introductions of several space and aerospace experts, including John Jossy, Dr. Ajay Kothari, and Manuel Cuba, who were participating in this Space Show space-focused discussion. Rainer discussed his background in space exploration, explaining how his interest began as a teenager when he edited a newspaper about astronomy and space. He described his approach to studying economic systems by examining how adding more market elements led to success stories in countries like Poland and Vietnam, and applied the same analytical framework to the space industry’s transition from government-led to private enterprise-driven development. He attributed decades of stagnation in manned space flight not to technical limitations but to economic and incentive issues, suggesting that if private ownership of celestial bodies were possible, it could drive more progress similar to real estate investments. Rainer expressed concern about rising socialist and anti-capitalist trends in the West, citing recent political developments and lack of historical education about socialism’s failures. He explained that while China has a state-driven space program, it has also allowed 450 private space companies to develop, with these companies studying and potentially surpassing SpaceX’s approach. Rainer argued that the United States can only compete with China’s space efforts by maintaining more market freedom and avoiding excessive government regulation in the space industry. Rainer discussed SpaceX’s monopoly in the satellite launch market, noting that while the company dominates with 165 out of 324 launches in the previous year and 11,000 out of 16,000 active satellites being Starlink satellites, monopolies eventually lose their position through innovation and competition. He provided historical examples of companies that once held monopolies but later lost them, including Nokia, MySpace, Kodak, and Xerox. Our guest concluded by emphasizing that private enterprise, as demonstrated by SpaceX’s success in reducing launch costs by over 90% and achieving reusable rocket technology, outperforms government-run programs in the space industry. Rainer discussed how economic reforms in countries like India, China, South Korea, and Vietnam demonstrated the success of capitalism over socialism, and he shared his concerns about the moon landing’s legacy and the space shuttle program’s failures. He emphasized the importance of private property rights for space exploration, arguing that private companies like SpaceX should be able to claim ownership of specific areas on celestial bodies to finance future missions to Mars. He expressed concern about potential conflicts with the Outer Space Treaty, particularly regarding China’s future actions in space. Zitelmann discussed historical examples of land ownership claims, comparing them to potential space colonization, and emphasized the importance of private property as a driver for progress. Ajay brought up recent New York Times articles by Salam Gebrekidan about space property rights and mining, which led to a discussion about current legal frameworks and challenges in claiming ownership of celestial bodies. Rainer argued that clear ownership rights, including the ability to claim asteroids for financial gain, would provide the necessary incentives for space exploration and development, potentially through real estate investment trusts. Rainer also expressed concerns about the lack of clear economic benefits for investors in SpaceX’s Mars exploration projects, suggesting that Elon Musk needs to better explain how investors can make money from space missions. Ajay agreed with the need for incentives and emphasized the importance of providing something tangible to people willing to engage in space exploration. The discussion highlighted the tension between private property rights and the global commons approach, with David noting that benefit-sharing advocates cannot be ignored in establishing property rights in space. Rainer concluded that the focus should be on lobbying the United States government to recognize private ownership on Mars and the Moon, rather than engaging in discussions with countries supporting the global commons approach. We continued our property rights in space discussion emphasizing that private property is essential for space development success and arguing that settlers and entrepreneurs should lead the process rather than lawyers. Rainer criticized attempts to renegotiate the Outer Space Treaty as unrealistic and suggested the United States’ approach through the Artemis Accords was a positive step forward. The discussion also covered concerns about excessive regulations potentially stifling space development and the challenge of handling abandoned property in space, with Rainer proposing that claimed properties could be sold on stock markets to generate early revenue. We continued discussed the growing trend of space capitalism and entrepreneurship, citing SpaceX’s success with 165 launches compared to China’s 88 launches and Europe’s 8 launches. He warned about ideologically-driven opposition to private space travel, referencing a professor’s extreme views that Mars should belong to microbes rather than humans. Dr. Rainer also mentioned his book’s coverage of space tourism and shared details about his science fiction novel “2075: When Purity Became a Crime,” which features settlements on Mars and the moon. The book also describes a totalitarian movement in the United States that discriminates against beautiful people through taxes, scans, and mandatory procedures. Attendees: David Livingston (Organizer), Dr. Charles Lurio, Manuel Cuba (External), John Hunt (External), Dr. Ajay Kothari (External), Marshall Martin (External), John Jossy (External), Dr. Rainer Zitelmann (guest) Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Upcoming Programs: To Be Posted On Substack Soon! Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

October 3, 20261 hr 26 min

The Space Show Presents Dr. Logan Smith on Astronaut Mental Health and Space Psychology

Meeting assets for The Space Show Presents Dr. Logan Smith, July 31, 2026, Friday. Quick Summary: The Space Show featured Dr. Logan Smith discussing the psychological risks and mental health challenges associated with space travel, particularly focusing on the potential impact of AI on astronauts’ mental well-being. Logan explained how over-reliance on AI could lead to skill deficits, unhealthy attachments, and exacerbation of mental health issues in the isolated environment of space. He highlighted the lack of current training and preparation for mental health crises in both public and private space programs, and the need for more research and concrete recommendations to address these risks. The conversation also covered the effects of environmental factors like lighting and noise on mental health in space, the potential for robotic therapy, and the challenges of supporting families and children in future space settlements. Logan mentioned his new Space Psychology Institute and the growing field of space psychology research. Other participants, including David, John Jossy, John Hunt, and Sherry Bell, contributed questions and comments on topics ranging from suicide risk in space to the role of music in astronaut well-being. Detailed Summary: Our attending Wisdom Team discussed the psychological effects of larger crew spaces on future missions, with John Jossy planning to introduce Dr. Logan Smith while calling him Logan. John Jossy shared his experience with jet lag and sleep issues, which David attributed to potential prostate problems. The conversation then shifted to Logan joining from Nashville, Tennessee, where he discussed the differences between Nashville and Stillwater. The conversation ended with David mentioning that John would co-host and that both would continue the discussion with more participants. David hosted the Friday morning West Coast Space Show program with returning guest Dr. Logan Smith, who discussed psychological risks for astronauts in deep space and the potential use of AI psychotherapy. Logan explained that while he initially used the term “automated psychotherapy,” the industry now refers to it as “AI psychotherapy,” and predicted AI would be an essential tool for astronauts in the near term for daily tasks and problem-solving. The discussion began to cover how astronauts might use AI to help with personal problems, though the transcript ended before this topic was fully explored. Logan discussed the potential psychological risks of astronauts using AI systems, particularly highlighting how AI could create skill deficits and unhealthy attachments that might isolate crew members from each other and Earth. He explained that current AI systems lack appropriate guardrails to prevent harmful guidance, citing examples of people being misguided by AI to attempt suicide or develop delusions. Logan emphasized the challenge of programming AI to be helpful without being overly helpful, comparing this to a therapist’s judgment about when to respond to clients. Logan also discussed his work developing guidelines for AI companies and therapists regarding AI use in mental health treatment. He shared research on customizing AI responses for individuals with mental health conditions like OCD, noting positive results from clients who reported improved mental health outcomes after adjusting their AI interactions. David asked about disabling AI’s positive feedback features. Logan provided detailed instructions for customizing ChatGPT settings to reduce excessive positivity and emotional responses. The conversation then shifted to a discussion about space astronauts, comparing traditional agency-trained astronauts with commercial/private sector astronauts. Logan discussed the current lack of attention to AI-related mental health training in astronaut programs, both public and private, noting that most existing programs focus on anxiety and the “overview effect” rather than potential AI-related psychological issues. He explained that while short space flights may not see significant AI-related problems, longer missions to Mars could present greater risks. When asked about potential reactions to a mental health disaster in space, Logan predicted it would likely cause public adverse reactions and potentially lead to pauses in space programs until solutions are found. Logan discussed various models of suicidal behavior, explaining how factors like isolation, trauma, and perceived burdens can contribute to suicidal thoughts, particularly in high-risk environments such as space missions or military deployments. He described treatment approaches, including crisis response plans and safety strategies to help individuals manage suicidal waves. The discussion also touched on how unacceptable losses and moral injury can lead to suicide, with examples from veterans and astronauts, and highlighted the challenges of preventing and addressing suicidal behaviors in isolated settings. Logan discussed PTSD as a risk factor for space missions, noting that NASA has protocols in place but treatment methods would need to change for deep space missions due to light lag. He explained challenges with therapy delivery, including potential confidentiality issues with small crews and suggested using multiple therapists across different ships as a solution. When asked about becoming a ship’s counselor, Logan expressed interest but noted he would wait until his daughter was older. The discussion concluded with considering robotic therapy dogs as an alternative to real animals on spacecraft, and ended with a question about how large habitable volumes would affect crew psychology compared to small spaces. Logan discussed the poor environmental psychology of current space stations, highlighting issues with cramped spaces, poor lighting, noise, and temperature that negatively impact mental health and cause insomnia among astronauts. He explained that larger inflatable habitats could improve these conditions, while Philip asked about the psychological benefits of fewer large spacecraft versus many smaller ones, to which Logan responded that in-person interactions are generally more beneficial and suggested ships should not exceed Dunbar’s number. David expressed concern about the limited focus on mental health in space medicine, questioning the lack of preparation for mental health crises during missions. Logan discussed the underappreciation of mental health in space psychology, explaining that people often believe they are in control of their mental health, unlike physical health. He outlined current mental health resources available to astronauts, including medications, restraints, emergency return options, and ground-based therapists. Logan also highlighted concerns about scaling these resources for future space missions with thousands of people and the potential physiological effects of radiation exposure on mental health in space. Logan and David discussed the risks of cosmic radiation exposure during long-duration spaceflight, particularly to Mars, emphasizing the unknown effects on mental health and the challenges of adequate shielding. Logan suggested accelerating research to determine the necessary level of radiation mitigation and proposed solutions like improving shielding or using magnetic fields. Logan noted his efforts to raise awareness through publications and the Space Psychology Institute, though he acknowledged that addressing these issues remains a future concern for policymakers and industry. The conversation concluded with a discussion about the broader implications of space psychology, including the challenges of pregnancy, children, and family structures in space settlements. Logan discussed the emerging field of space psychology, explaining that while perinatal mental health and space station psychology are areas of growing research, concrete recommendations for mission planning are still needed. Phil suggested that space psychology research should be tied more closely to specific mission planning considerations, including cost and feasibility impacts, rather than remaining abstract. Logan mentioned his newly formed Space Psychology Institute, which aims to provide specific recommendations for mission planners, with plans to launch the website and expand the research team in 2027. Dr. Bell discussed his interest in presenting on the psychological importance of music in space, sharing his experience with previous presenters who had approached the topic poorly. Logan confirmed that while NASA uses music for mood and stress relief, there is limited published research specifically on music in space flight environments. Logan advised attendees to take initiative on unaddressed needs in space psychology, suggesting they write manuscripts or contact policymakers directly. The group also discussed Logan’s upcoming speaking engagement at ISDC in Los Angeles, where he plans to present on a new topic rather than repeating his previous speech about space mental health. Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Upcoming Programs: Broadcast 4596: Zoom: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann | Sunday 04 Oct 2026 1200PM PT Guests: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Zoom: Dr. Zitelmann will discuss his book, “New Space Capitalism: The Entrepreneurial Path to the Stars” Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

October 3, 20261 hr 30 min

The Space Show Presents Dale Skran Discussing the NSS Orbital Space Settlement Design Project with Co-host John Jossy.

The Space Show Presents Dale Skran with John Jossy as co-host. Friday, August 7, 2026, #4572 Quick Summary: This was a Space Show program featured Dale Skran, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of the National Space Society, discussing the NSS Orbital Space Settlement Design Project. John Jossy acted as the co-host for this program. Dale explained how the project uses the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) standardization methodology to design the first orbital space settlement, with a focus on a rotating 1G settlement accommodating approximately 1,000 people in the Earth-Moon system. The project has a five-year timeline and involves creating recommendations that would allow someone skilled in the art to build the settlement, with plans for a workshop in October 2026 in Florida. The discussion covered key technical questions including population size, mental health considerations, agricultural systems, and the need for pets, as well as economic models, location options, and regulatory aspects under the Outer Space Treaty. Participants raised questions about collaboration with commercial LEO destinations, building methods, and the project’s potential impact on space industry development. Detailed Summary: Dale Skran, Senior Vice President and Chief Operating Officer of the National Space Society, discussed the new Orbital Space Settlement Design Project. The project stems from a 2021 workshop that reviewed the status of space settlement and resulted in a book called “The Dream Renewed, O’Neill’s Vision in the 21st Century.” Dale explained that the initiative aims to establish a comprehensive set of peer-reviewed papers demonstrating the feasibility of space settlement, inspired by the standardization methodology used by the International Telecommunications Union. Jossy did the introduction and led the program discussion with the first questions pertaining to the NSS new Orbital Space Settlement Design Project. Dale explained the project to design the first orbital space settlement, which is governed by a Terms of Reference document approved in March 2026 and follows the ITU process. He outlined the methodology, emphasizing the importance of thoroughly examining questions before beginning design work, and described how rapporteurs will chair groups to determine consensus. Dale announced an upcoming Space Settlement Summit in Florida in October where participants will examine questions and divide them into high-level, biological, and physical categories, with plans to select 4-5 initial topics for further workshops after the event. Our guest went over the requirements for participating in space settlement meetings, explaining that participants must submit relevant papers and have appropriate qualifications to meaningfully contribute. He addressed questions about minimum population size for space settlements, noting that 1,000 people would be necessary for permanent settlements rather than the smaller crews typically discussed. Dale also covered the importance of addressing pets in space settlements and the need to maintain appropriate levels of cleanliness and microbiome conditions to support human health. Our Wisdom Team discussed planning for a space settlement workshop in October, with Dale likely leading the high-level section, Bryce potentially leading the biological section, and Rick likely leading the physical aspects. Marshall shared insights from reading Meyer’s book about minimum farm sizes and health considerations for space settlements. John Hunt raised important questions about the economic function and use case of the settlement, to which Dale responded that these questions would be addressed at the first workshop, emphasizing that location, economic model, and use case are interdependent factors that need to be considered together. Dale confirmed that the space settlement design project is a 5-year initiative, based on feedback from John Mankins who suggested this timeframe would be more effective than 10 years. The project will focus on Earth-based research and development work before considering space implementation, with Dale emphasizing that the research would be relevant to Earth-based agricultural systems and medical practices. Dale clarified that the settlement design would not need to be fully autonomous, as medical evacuations and other services would be handled similarly to how small communities on Earth manage such needs. Another project discussed by Dale was the Board of Scientific and Technical Advisors (BSTA) with a core of 7-9 members and 25-50 subject matter experts to provide scientific oversight. He addressed concerns about attracting diverse participants beyond the NSS space community, noting that the previous meeting included experts like George Dyson who were not traditional NSS leaders. Dallas mentioned his master’s thesis on a rotating business center in Earth orbit for 400 people, which Dale encouraged him to submit for consideration, along with the British Interplanetary Society’s Avalon design. The project will be conducted virtually, rotating between continents. Dale talked about the location options for an orbiting facility, mentioning two preferred locations: an equatorial location and an Earth-Moon cycler orbit. He explained that space agencies are not driving the project due to their conservative nature, and noted that while NSS has some relationship with SpaceX, they have a more friendly relationship with Blue Origin. Dale emphasized that SpaceX’s focus on transportation and data centers means they are not duplicating efforts in those areas, and suggested working with SpaceX as a customer would work with any service provider. Dale and Marshall discussed the potential for in-space reuse and salvage of satellites, with Dale emphasizing the need to consider economic, physical, and biological challenges when designing a rotating space element. Dale clarified that the project’s scope would focus on the design of the rotating space element rather than detailed engineering specifications, involving modeling and analysis to demonstrate buildability. Phil inquired about the project’s approach, to which Dale explained it would not be a detailed bolt-and-screw design but would include sufficient modeling to demonstrate feasibility. Dale also mentioned the possibility of using lunar resources for construction, highlighting recent technological advances in mass drivers. Dale explained that after the five-year project concludes, the recommendations will be published in the NASA Journal of Space Settlement and potentially as a book or peer-reviewed papers, making the information freely available to collaborators. He outlined plans to collaborate with commercial LEO destination focused organizations like Blue Origin, Axiom, and Vast, as well as organizations like Paragon and the British Interplanetary Society, to help bring the rotating space settlement concept to fruition. The discussion also covered regulatory aspects, with Dale noting that the Outer Space Treaty is generally favorable to rotating space elements but requires establishing the legal right to mine the moon for construction materials. Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Broadcast 4596: Zoom: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann | Sunday 04 Oct 2026 1200PM PT Guests: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Zoom: Dr. Zitelmann will discuss his book, “New Space Capitalism: The Entrepreneurial Path to the Stars” Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

October 1, 20261 hr 11 min

The Space Show Presents Kris Brown with Sue Mitchell re the book, “Northern Lights and Rocket Flights: My Years at Poker Flat Research Range.”

Meeting assets for The Space Show Presents Kris Brown & Sue Mitchell re “Norther Lights & Rocket Flights: My Years at Poker Flat Research Range” Tuesday, Sept. 29, 206 Quick Summary: The Space Show featured a discussion about the book “Northern Lights and Rocket Flights: My Years at Poker Flat Research Range,” edited by Sue Mitchell and brought to publication by Kris Brown, son of the late author Neil Brown. Kris and Sue shared the history and significance of the Poker Flat Research Range in Alaska, detailing its founding, unique location, and role in studying the aurora and upper atmosphere using sounding rockets. They explained the range’s origins, its connection to Cold War research, and its current operations, including its funding structure and public outreach. The conversation included personal anecdotes about life in Alaska, the challenges of working in extreme cold, and the improvisational engineering that characterized the early years of the facility. The guests also addressed the continued relevance of sounding rocket research in the context of modern satellite technology and space weather. The program concluded with reflections on Neil Brown’s legacy and the enduring frontier spirit of Alaska. During our discussion, Kris showed several photos from the book and from the history of he Poker Flat Range. Detailed Summary: Kris explained that the name “Poker Flat” originated from Bret Harte’s 1960’s story “The Outcasts of Poker Flat” and was later adopted for the Alaskan research facility due to its remote location and nuclear testing associations. David introduced the evening’s program and announced upcoming guests, including Eric Berger for Hotel Mars and an interview with Dr. Zeitelmann. Tonight’s main discussion focused on the book “Northern Lights and Rocket Flights: My Years at Poker Flat Research Range,” which was edited by Sue Brown and published by Kris Brown, son of Neal Brown who passed in 2021. Kris provided background on his father’s role as the first director of Poker Flat Research Range for 18 years, his early NASA career, and how he became interested in studying the Northern Lights after working in Greenland during the Cold War. Kris discussed his book about the Northern Lights and sounding rocket site in Alaska, explaining that the facility was initially used for atmospheric studies during the Cold War due to its proximity to the Soviet Union. He clarified that while the site could theoretically launch orbital rockets, practical considerations like extreme cold temperatures in Fairbanks make it challenging for human spaceflight. The group discussed how sounding rockets were primarily used for data collection rather than requiring human presence, as the recovered payloads could be analyzed after the flight. The Space Show Wisdom Team discussed the history of rocket launches and military presence at launch sites. Kris explained that while there was initially a military presence at rocket launch sites, there is not currently one. He also shared details about how sounding rockets were developed from Korean War-era missiles in the 1950s. The discussion revealed historical incidents involving nuclear weapons, including a B-52 crash in Greenland in 1968 that led to diplomatic issues and the relocation of nuclear activities to Alaska, as well as plans to build a deep water harbor in Alaska that were ultimately canceled due to environmental concerns raised by scientists. The discussion focused on the University of Alaska’s Poker Flat Research Range, with both Kris and Sue explaining its history and operations. They described how the range is uniquely owned by the University of Alaska Fairbanks and operates as a rental facility for researchers funded by agencies like NASA and NOAA. The conversation covered the range’s origins under founder Neil Davis and its development under director Neal Brown, who led the facility for 18 years. The discussion ended with David asking about the current relevance of sounding rockets in today’s satellite launch environment, though this question was not completed in the transcript. The group discussed the continued relevance of studying auroras and their impact on space weather, telecommunications, and satellite operations. Kris explained that Poker Flat, located 30 miles north of Fairbanks, hosts regular rocket launches and public tours during summer months, with upcoming launches planned for October. The discussion included historical context about early military rocket systems like Nike Ajax being used for aurora research, and how modern launches now combine different rocket stages for various experiments. The conversation also touched on Fairbanks’ role as a hub for aurora tourism and the economic benefits the facility brings to the local community during winter months. Kris shared personal photos and stories about his father’s work at Poker Flat rocket range, including a photo of his father taking a barium gas release photo in freezing conditions. He described how his family lived in a trailer at the facility during a six-month custody arrangement after his parents’ divorce, and shared a photo from around 1974-75 of him and his siblings examining a rocket booster. Sue mentioned that the book contains human interest stories and anecdotes scattered throughout, including a humorous incident about a moose hanging from a rocket launcher. The group discussed Kris’s childhood writing sample about Poker Flat that was recently published in the book. Sue shared details about early rocket disposal methods at Poker Flat, including burning excess solid fuel and using innovative techniques like railroad tracks for rocket storage and dynamite for demolishing an old A-frame building. The conversation concluded with David asking about family life at the rocket base in Alaska. Kris shared experiences of growing up in rural Alaska, describing challenging winter conditions including extreme cold, transportation difficulties, and the need for special car heating procedures. He explained how distances to neighbors and activities were significant, leading to independent play and creativity with siblings. Sue added similar experiences from her Fairbanks childhood, including the unique challenge of trick-or-treating requiring costumes that fit over parkas and being transported by car due to cold distances. Kris shared stories about his father’s work at Poker Flat and his post-retirement creation of the Alaska Space Academy, where he inspired students across the state through his ability to communicate complex scientific concepts to people of all ages. Sue confirmed this was her final book as she is retiring from writing, though she left open the possibility of writing her memoir in the future. The discussion concluded with David offering to share the archived show links with Kris and Sue for promotional use. Attendees: David Livingston (Organizer), Marshall Martin (External), John Hunt (External), Kris Brown - Vector Sciences (External), Hanna Spencer (External), Sue Mitchell (External) Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Upcoming Programs: Friday, Oct. 2, 2026: No Program today | Friday 02 Oct 2026 930AM PT Guests: Dr. David Livingston No Program Today Broadcast 4596: Zoom: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann | Sunday 04 Oct 2026 1200PM PT Guests: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Zoom: Dr. Zitelmann will discuss his book, “New Space Capitalism: The Entrepreneurial Path to the Stars” Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

September 30, 20261 hr 21 min

The Space Show Presents Jules Ross on space station design, artificial gravity & microgravity.

The Space Show Presents Jules Ross with co-host John Jossy, Sept. 13, 2026, Sunday. Quick Summary: The Sunday Space Show featured Jules Ross, founder of Jules Space Technology, along with cohost John Jossy, discussing the company’s development of Space Station EO, a commercial LEO platform designed to provide artificial gravity and microgravity environments. Jules explained the station’s design, focusing on human-friendly features like immersive rooms, private quarters, and a closed-loop shower system. He detailed the power generation concept using the station’s rotational energy and addressed questions about radiation shielding, assembly, and economic models. The conversation also covered the challenges of transportation to and from the station, with Jules advocating for space planes over traditional capsules. Other participants, including John Jossy, Manuel Cuba, Joe Carroll, and Marshall Martin, asked technical questions about the station’s mechanics, power system, and market viability. The discussion touched on the broader space industry, including the potential retirement of Falcon 9 and Dragon, and the need for frequent, safe access to space to enable new markets. Detailed Summary: David shared Mark Whittington’s email newsletter discussing the potential cancellation of Falcon 9 and Dragon, raising concerns about transportation to private space stations. The group discussed potential alternatives, including Russian and Chinese providers, though both options were considered problematic. Joe noted that the latest Starship user guide from 2020 may not be compatible with current plans, and Marshall mentioned Russian economic challenges that could affect their space program. Dr. Space hosted the Sunday Space Show with John Jossy as co-host for Jules Ross, founder and CEO of Jules Space Technology, as the primary guest. Jules discussed his company’s flagship project, Space Station EO, which aims to provide both artificial gravity and microgravity on a single platform to address the five hazards of human spaceflight. He explained how the design incorporates private rooms, an immersive environment system, and water conservation features, with the goal of making space more human-friendly for long-duration missions and deep space exploration. Jules mentioned his shielding technology for space stations, explaining that it combines electromagnetic elements, water shielding in walls, and Faraday cages to minimize but not eliminate space radiation exposure. He described a unique power generation system using windmill principles created by combining zero-G and 1G environments on the same platform, which would generate the megawatts needed for electromagnetic fields around human habitation areas. Jules indicated they are currently raising capital and plan to develop a working model with four initial habitats before scaling up to the full 16-habitat design, with the first testing phase planned to take about 10-12 years to develop. Jules also talked about the closed-loop water system for space showers that can reuse up to 2 gallons of water for 21 showers, and explained that food would come from pre-packaged NASA supplies and a new cube food system. When asked about the economic model, Jules identified the need for frequent access to space and proposed a dual-wheeled space station design that could support up to 15 people in one ring and 20 in another, with plans to eventually replace capsules with space planes for transportation. The space station design includes 16 habitats, laboratory space following ISS standards, and the ability to support both 0 G and 1G environments for Mars research. Jules discussed his company’s plans to develop a space station with artificial gravity, differentiating it from existing zero-G stations like the ISS. He explained that the main challenge is creating safe and affordable transportation to and from space, with initial cost projections around $1 million per trip that he aims to reduce further. Jules expressed concerns about dependency on SpaceX’s Falcon X rocket systems and mentioned the potential need to develop their own rocket technology to reduce costs and create a more substantial space market beyond the current satellite-focused operations. Jules discussed plans to relocate to Florida’s Space Coast and potentially acquire Falcon rockets as NASA considers retiring the system. He explained that the space station assembly would require 27 launches and would use robotic arms for construction, with four anchor habitats being the first components launched. Jules acknowledged that regulatory approval would be needed and expressed his vision to revolutionize space travel by creating new opportunities for space tourism and addressing unfulfilled promises to taxpayers. Manuel discussed the interest in private European space stations and mentioned his company’s R&D efforts in microgravity for nutraceutical development. Jules explained the technical specifications of the space station design, including its 111.5-foot radius, 40-mile-per-hour spin rate, and magnetic bearing system. Jules outlined his funding strategy, starting with a $300,000 initial round for a working model, and emphasized his cautious approach to selecting investors to maintain control over the company’s long-term vision. Manuel and Jules discussed the challenges of finding investors for space technology companies, with Jules explaining his plans to approach Space Angel organizations in Seattle. Jules outlined his strategy to raise $10 million to begin manufacturing, which would increase the company’s valuation to around half a billion dollars. He emphasized the importance of carefully vetting potential investors and developing both space and terrestrial markets for their products. The discussion also touched on the technical aspects of artificial gravity and the need for de-risking technology through feasibility studies and testing. Jules explained his vision for a space station designed to function primarily in 1G environment, with crew members spending limited time in 0 G for maintenance and technology inspection. He described plans for the Avalon, a three-wheel space station concept featuring guest accommodations, a gambling area, and zero-G play facilities. When asked about radiation hardening concerns, Marshall’s question was cut off at the end of the transcript, leaving the discussion incomplete. Jules discussed plans to develop space stations in low Earth orbit (LEO) as a stepping stone to deeper space exploration, including potential construction platforms at Lagrange points. He addressed the 30-year lifespan of the stations, with AI serving as the eighth crew member to monitor health and rotation systems, and explained the design includes modular habitats that can be replaced and reused. Jules also described his innovative power generation system using a rotating 5-megawatt generator powered by thrusters, similar to a wind turbine, which he designed with a gear shift system to control power output while maintaining rotation. Jules and Joe discussed a proposed space power generation system using a combination of 0 G and 1G environments. Joe expressed skepticism about the concept, comparing it to a perpetual motion machine and questioning how the system could be anchored without propellant. Jules maintained that the system had been tested and could work by using magnets to suspend and anchor the generator components, with plans to test it further in zero-g conditions using the Vomit Comet. The meeting focused on a discussion with Jules about space transportation and market development. Jules emphasized the importance of designing spacecraft that can master escape and reentry, stating that without this capability, space markets would remain small and insignificant. When asked about his team, Jules clarified that he has been working mostly alone for 17 years with some AI and ex-NASA engineering support, though he uses “we” to remind himself that the project will eventually involve a team. The group discussed Jules’s potential attendance at the ISDC conference in Los Angeles next year, and the conversation ended with plans to share Jules’s contact information with interested participants. Attendees: David Livingston (Organizer), Dr. Sherry Bell (External), Joe Carroll (External), Marshall Martin (External), Manuel Cuba (External), jules ross (External), John Jossy (External). Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Upcoming Programs: Friday, Oct. 2, 2026: No Program today | Friday 02 Oct 2026 930AM PT Guests: Dr. David Livingston No Program Today Broadcast 4596: Zoom: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann | Sunday 04 Oct 2026 1200PM PT Guests: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Zoom: Dr. Zitelmann will discuss his book, “New Space Capitalism: The Entrepreneurial Path to the Stars” Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

September 29, 20261 hr 58 min

The Space Show Presents An Open Lines Discussion

The Space Show Presents Open Lines Discussion, Sunday, 9-27-26 Summary The Space Show’s Open Lines program discussed several key space topics including Starship’s upcoming orbital flight scheduled for 7:15 AM Central Time the following morning, which will perform six orbits and deliver 26 Version 3 Starlink satellites before landing in the Gulf off Boca Raton. The group extensively debated the proposed Space Academy initiative, with AJ arguing for its necessity to develop unique space vocabulary and training while David expressed skepticism about its political feasibility given current partisan divisions. AJ presented his technical proposal for a nuclear-powered hypersonic aircraft using molten salt reactors, explaining how it could achieve long-range flights with minimal fuel while avoiding radioactive exhaust, though he acknowledged regulatory challenges in getting such technology approved. The discussion also covered Rocket Lab’s progress approaching 100 launches, SpaceX’s retirement of Falcon Heavy, and Cosmic Robotics’ autonomous construction robot technology for space applications, while John Hunt provided an update on UAP data releases showing limited new information beyond existing declassified materials. David discussed ongoing technical issues with the Space Show website, primarily caused by LLM crawlers that are overwhelming the site’s functionality and making it difficult to upload content. He announced plans to transition away from the current website to a frozen archive on WordPress, with all new content moving to Substack and YouTube instead. The discussion also covered upcoming Space Show programs, including interviews with Sue and Chris about Poker Flat Research Range and Dr. Rainer Zeitelmann about space capitalism and economic frameworks for space exploration. Marshall discussed the upcoming Starship launch scheduled for 7:15 Central Standard Time the next morning, which will carry 26 version three Starlink satellites and attempt to land in the Gulf off Boca Raton. The group briefly discussed the logistics of watching the launch and Marshall’s plans to potentially play pickleball afterward. The conversation then shifted to a discussion about playing pickleball in space, where Dr. Ajay Kothar and others explored the feasibility of playing the sport in microgravity or on planets with atmosphere like Mars. The Space Show Wisdom Team discussed the potential location for a Space Academy, with Dr. Kothari highlighting three main contenders: Texas, Alabama, and Florida. David suggested California as an alternative, proposing the Bay Area and referencing Starfleet Academy, though he expressed skepticism about the project’s likelihood of success under the current political climate. The discussion concluded with debate about whether the US needs a dedicated Space Academy, with participants arguing that it would likely survive budget hearings similar to how the Space Force was established. The group discussed the potential creation of a Space Academy, with Ajay noting that funding could come from NASA and Space Force budgets, though David expressed skepticism about its political feasibility due to current partisan divisions. Marshall highlighted the need for specialized vocabulary and courses unique to space operations, while others discussed potential locations near major launch sites. The conversation concluded with agreement for The Space Show to get a Space Force expert at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama, after the upcoming report from the committee chaired by Isaacman is released. The group discussed government spending and deficits, with David and Dr. Ajay agreeing that while individual spending items may seem small compared to the overall $40 trillion deficit, the collective impact matters. They debated the economic implications of government spending and deficits, with Dr. Ajay noting that Congress doesn’t consider the cumulative effect when making decisions. The conversation then shifted to Dr. Ajay’s expertise on a Russian missile system called Mirovsnik Storm Petrel, which he described as potentially more significant than current hypersonic programs due to its air-breathing capabilities and ability to operate without refueling. Dr. Ajay explained that this technology could have applications beyond military use, including high-speed vehicles with non-radioactive exhaust, though he couldn’t share his detailed design. Ajay explained the Russian development of a nuclear-powered aircraft engine using uranium-233 in molten salt, which heats air for propulsion through a turbine or ramjet system without radioactive exhaust. He clarified that this system operates at subsonic speeds and cannot be detected by radar systems like Golden Dome, making defense challenging. The discussion addressed questions about the propellant and defense capabilities, with Ajay confirming that while the system cannot be detected by current radar systems, it is not hypersonic and operates at subsonic speeds. Ajay discussed the development of a nuclear-powered aircraft, explaining that while some in the Department of War believe existing ICBMs provide sufficient mutual assured destruction deterrence, he argues for developing the technology for various uses including commercial and military applications. The group discussed regulatory challenges around nuclear aircraft, with Ajay noting that molten salt reactors operate at higher temperatures than traditional nuclear systems and highlighting the global shift toward accepting nuclear energy. The conversation concluded with a discussion about Rocket Lab’s progress toward 100 launches and SpaceX’s decision to retire the Falcon rocket line, which Ajay noted creates challenges for lunar missions that previously relied on Falcon Heavy. The group discussed the 100-flight rule for space vehicle reliability, with John Jossy explaining that it represents a commonsense judgment rather than a formal regulation, based on achieving greater than 99% reliability. John Jossy also shared information about Cosmic Robotics, a startup developing autonomous construction robots for space applications including Mars colonization. The participants reviewed upcoming Starship testing plans and discussed potential lunar mission configurations for 2027’s Artemis III mission. The conversation ended with discussion about UAP data releases and scheduling future open line shows for Sundays. ________________________________________ Attendees: David Livingston (Organizer), Dr. Sherry Bell, Michael J Listner, Dr. Ajay Kothari, Marshall Martin, John Hunt, Manuel Cuba - Helix Space, John Jossy. Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. The Space Show is a non-profit 501C3 through its parent, One Giant Leap Foundation, Inc. To donate via Pay Pal, use: To donate with Zelle, use the email address: david@onegiantleapfoundation.org . If you prefer donating with a check, please make the check payable to One Giant Leap Foundation and mail to: One Giant Leap Foundation, 11035 Lavender Hill Drive Ste. 160-306 Las Vegas, NV 89135 Upcoming Programs: Broadcast 4594 Zoom: Kris Brown, Sue Mitchell re “Northern Lights & Rocket Flights” | Tuesday 29 Sep 2026 700PM PT Guests: Sue Mitchell , Kristopher Brown Zoom: A Pioneering Memoir of the Poker Flat Research Range by THE rocket scientist Neal Brown. Check out his book “Northern Lights and Rocket Flights: My Years a Poker Flat Research Range” on Amazon. Broadcast 4595: Hotel Mars with Eric Berger | Wednesday 30 Sep 2026 930AM PT Guests: John Batchelor , Dr. David Livingston , Eric Berger Hotel Mars with Eric Berger re Starship and more Friday, Oct. 2, 2026: No Program today | Friday 02 Oct 2026 930AM PT Guests: Dr. David Livingston No Program Today Broadcast 4596: Zoom: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann | Sunday 04 Oct 2026 1200PM PT Guests: Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Zoom: Dr. Zitelmann will discuss his book, “New Space Capitalism: The Entrepreneurial Path to the Stars” Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe

September 29, 20261 hr 1 min

The Space Show Presents Anastasia Prosina, Space Architect on human space flight investment and more.

The Space Show Presents Anastasia Prosina, Friday, 9-18-26 Meeting Summary: The meeting was a Space Show episode featuring guest Anastasia Prosina, a space architect and entrepreneur who discussed her work with Stellar Amenities Lab and the challenges of advancing human spaceflight technologies through the mid-TRL gap. She explained her background in space architecture, her experience with various projects, and the difficulties in securing funding and support for human-centric technologies in space. The conversation covered topics such as the lack of investment in human life support systems, the role of humans versus robotics in space exploration, and the importance of long-term thinking in space policy and settlement planning. Participants John Jossy, John Hunt, Marshall, and Ajay asked questions about lunar base sequencing, artificial gravity, nuclear energy, and the broader implications of space settlement. Anastasia also mentioned her upcoming book on consciousness and space, and the group discussed the current state of space policy, funding, and the challenges of integrating space settlement into mainstream spaceflight discussions. Detailed Summary: The group discussed the upcoming Starship 14 launch scheduled for next Thursday at 7 PM Central Time, which will carry Starlink version 3 satellites and potentially attempt a ship catch on the next mission. John Hunt shared details about attending a local fair in Coal Camp, Missouri, where he saw antique tanks, participated in school reunions, and had discussions about scientific topics. The conversation also briefly touched on Elon Musk’s appearance at the All In summit, which John Hunt had missed and planned to watch later. David welcomed Anastasia Prosina, a space architect and entrepreneur, as the guest for the one hour session. Anastasia discussed her 10-year career in space architecture and commercialization, including her work at Excalibur Almaz, MIT Media Lab on self-assembling spacecraft concepts, and her current company Stellar Amenities Lab. She explained the challenges in maturing space technologies between TRL 4 and 7, noting that many meaningful technologies “die” due to lack of funding and market demand for scalable solutions. Anastasia described her new Stellar Amenities Lab, which is six months old and aims to mature technologies, infuse capital, and spin out companies focused on near-term human space exploration, particularly on the lunar surface. Anastasia and David discussed the current state of investment in human space flight. Anastasia explained that while 2026 saw the highest investment in the private space sector, less than 1% went to human space flight initiatives, with most investment focused on infrastructure rather than human components. She noted that while venture capital tends to avoid human-focused projects due to economic reasons, national and strategic investors may be more interested, particularly following a new directive from the national security department in August 2026 prioritizing crew systems. Anastasia outlined her lab’s goal to build a sophisticated dataset of human body responses to space to better understand aging processes and DNA changes caused by space travel. Anastasia discussed the challenge of making a business case for human space exploration, drawing parallels to the evolution of consumer electronics and wearable health technology, where initial skepticism gave way to significant investment as people recognized the value of health monitoring and longevity. She explained that while robotics offers advantages like durability and reduced life support needs, humans remain valuable for scientific discovery and preserving consciousness, though she acknowledged the economic arguments against human missions. The discussion also covered lunar habitation sequencing challenges, with Anastasia describing a four-phase framework for moon base construction and highlighting the need to align incentives and determine goals before establishing the proper construction sequence. Ajay and Anastasia discussed the growing interest in lunar missions and architecture, with Ajay mentioning his friend’s work on hopper designs. Anastasia shared details about her fellowship at Evermay in DC, where she focuses on space policy and human spaceflight, and discussed her background in space architecture and urbanization planning for Mars. Ajay invited Anastasia to a US Chamber of Commerce meeting about aviation and space next Wednesday, and David joined briefly to ask about TRL (Technology Readiness Level) goals for human spaceflight. Anastasia talked about the challenges in technology maturation, particularly the gap between TRL 4 and 6 where technologies struggle to secure sustainable funding. She explained that early innovations receive initial funding but face difficulties accessing larger NASA contracts due to insufficient technology readiness, often leading to project stagnation. The discussion also touched on artificial gravity space stations, with Anastasia noting the significant financial challenges and lack of funding for such large-scale projects, referencing the 50th anniversary of O’Neill studies on space colonization. David and Anastasia discussed the difference between space settlement and human spaceflight research, with David questioning why these topics are often treated separately rather than being integrated into broader human spaceflight discussions. Anastasia explained that current NASA grants and funding structures focus on specific components rather than comprehensive settlement systems, reflecting short-term planning horizons that don’t align with the long-term nature of city development and settlement establishment. The conversation highlighted how budget constraints and grant requirements limit research scope, with Marshall adding that lava tube habitats face similar exclusion due to these limitations. Our Space Show Wisdom Team continued talking about Anastasia’s work on lunar habitats, particularly lava tubes, and her forthcoming book about consciousness and space exploration. The conversation covered technical aspects of lunar habitation, with John Jossy clarifying that initial moon bases would not be permanent settlements but rather learning outposts. Ajay inquired about nuclear fission energy in lunar habitats, which Anastasia confirmed is part of longer-term plans but not her current focus area. Attendees: Dr. David Livingston (Host), John Jossy, Michael J Listner, Dr. Ajay Kothari, Marshall Martin, Paige Lazarus, John Hunt, Anastasia Prosina, our guest of honor. Special thanks to our sponsors: American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics , Helix Space in Luxembourg , Celestis Memorial Spaceflights , Astrox Corporation , Dr. Haym Benaroya of Rutgers University , The Space Settlement Progress Blog by John Jossy , The Atlantis Project , and Artless Entertainment We use Zoom phone numbers for program participation. For real time program participation , email Dr. Space at: drspace@thespaceshow.com for instructions and access. 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September 26, 20261 hr 49 min

The Space Show Presents Bob Zimmerman with news and updates.

The Space Show Presents Bob Zimmerman, Tuesday, 9-22-26 Summary The Tuesday Space Show featured Bob Zimmerman discussing the current state and future of the launch industry, addressing concerns about SpaceX’s phase-out of Falcon 9 launches from Florida and the impact on launch capabilities. Zimmerman argued that these concerns were overblown, pointing to a wave of new rockets coming online from companies like Rocket Lab, Blue Origin, and Stoke Space, along with existing operational rockets from SpaceX, Arianespace, and others. He explained that SpaceX’s decision to focus on Vandenberg launches and end transport missions was actually clearing the field to allow competition to thrive, noting that by early 2027 there could be 14 operational rockets, with many new companies planning launches in the next year. The discussion also covered spaceports, with Zimmerman explaining that successful spaceports typically require long-term leases to specific companies rather than trying to accommodate multiple operators, and touched on SpaceX’s significant revenue from Starlink ($14 billion annually) and data center operations, which Joseph noted was more profitable than traditional launch services. Detailed Summary: Bob pointed us to his recent essays on the launch industry and spaceports, criticizing panic over SpaceX phasing out Falcon 9 and questioning NASA’s recent decision to give more launches to Dragon rather than Boeing. The group had technical difficulties with John’s video connection throughout the meeting, with John moving to different locations to improve the setup. David announced upcoming guests including Joe discussing orbital data centers on Hotel Mars and potentially Dr. Stephen Benner on Friday, with Sunday planned for open lines. Our guest continued his discussion his recent essays about the space industry, particularly addressing the panic caused by SpaceX’s decision to stop Starlink Falcon 9 launches from Florida and no longer take orders for future transport missions. He explained that while this created concern about launch capabilities, there are actually multiple rockets in development and becoming operational, with 10 currently operational and many more expected to launch in the coming years. Bob expressed optimism about Blue Origin’s New Glenn rocket under new CEO David Limp, predicting it could launch before the end of the year, and outlined a significant pipeline of new rockets from various companies expected to become operational by 2027. Bob continued to point out and talk about the current state of the rocket industry, explaining that while there is anxiety due to the temporary absence of rockets, the situation is expected to improve within two years. He analyzed Elon Musk’s decision to shut down Falcon 9 in Florida for Starlink, noting that it was driven by ideological idealism and a desire to enable competition in the industry. Bob also examined the success factors of spaceports, concluding that the U.S. model of leasing pads to companies works best, and he addressed David’s question about the market for small rockets by explaining that companies like Rocket Lab demonstrate viable demand for smaller payload launches. Get full access to The Space Show-One Giant Leap Foundation at doctorspace.substack.com/subscribe