The Outthinking Investor with Daleep Singh

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In today's ever-changing world, investors should challenge old assumptions and think outside the box. Markets trade on more than just economic data. They trade on geopolitics, technology, policy, and elections. In a world searching for a new equilibrium, old assumptions are expensive mistakes. Daleep Singh, Vice Chair and Chief Global Economist at PGIM, has spent his career at the intersection of markets and policy, from the U.S. Treasury and Federal Reserve to the White House. Now, Daleep is sharing his perspectives with you. On PGIM's The Outthinking Investor, Daleep sits down with prominent economists, technologists, policymakers, and market veterans to map out the full distribution of what comes next—and why it matters.

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September 11, 2026Episode 1151 min

When Nobody's in Control: AI, Cyber Risk, and the Economics of Digital Trust

AI has the potential to bring a host of benefits to society and the global economy. It has fueled optimism around productivity, disinflation, and debt sustainability. But like many innovations that came before it, AI also brings a new set of challenges. The same technology that might boost economic growth and lift people out of poverty could also serve as a tool for cyberwarfare and fraud. Using AI, digital crimes could become faster, cheaper, and more scalable. AI is also becoming a new chokepoint in geopolitical competition: The discussion explores whether control of digital verification layers may create strategic leverage. Shuman Ghosemajumder, co-founder of the AI and cybersecurity company Reken and former Global Head of Product for Trust & Safety at Google, joins PGIM's Daleep Singh to discuss how AI has expanded the field for cybercrime and why technology itself could be part of the solution. The conversation also covers: How the public and private sectors can manage cyber risks and develop defenses against AI-powered fraud Why AI could make infrastructure and organizations more secure using proprietary tools How public sentiment toward AI has evolved

August 26, 2026Episode 1039 min

The Visible Hand: Marketcrafting from AI to the Price of Money

Adam Smith introduced his concept of the "invisible hand" in the 18th century, offering a metaphor for how self-interest and competition guide a free-market economy. The case could be made that government policy is an increasingly crucial force in shaping markets today, particularly amid heightened geoeconomic competition and a resurgence in industrial policy. In this way, individuals and entities in both the private and public sectors can be "marketcrafters." PGIM's Daleep Singh is joined by Chris Hughes (Facebook co-founder, Chair of the Economic Security Project, and author of "Marketcrafters: The 100-Year Struggle to Shape the American Economy") for a discussion about government policy's role in driving markets and investment outcomes. They cover topics including: How the U.S. government has shaped markets through history Marketcrafting agendas that could address inflation and cost of living challenges An industrial policy framework targeting housing affordability and emerging solutions like modular homes The AI investment cycle and potential policy levers The Federal Reserve's influence on financial markets through its ample reserves regime

August 11, 2026Episode 937 min

Chip Craze: Framing Industrial Policy for the AI Era

The AI-driven capex cycle might be the biggest investment story of the past century. The five largest hyperscalers were on track to spend around $800 billion on AI infrastructure in 2025, and as a share of U.S. GDP, AI capex has already eclipsed the dot-com boom of the 1990s. Chips are at the center of the AI frenzy – the same chips that also guide precision munitions and power satellite communications. In pursuit of a strategic advantage, nations are racing to shore up critical supply chains and achieve dominance in the economic arena. How will industrial policy's reemergence influence investment opportunities and global capital flows? For a closer examination of industrial policy's risks and rewards, PGIM's Daleep Singh talks to Mike Schmidt, Distinguished Visitor at Princeton University's Griswold Center for Economic Policy and former Director of the CHIPS Program Office (CPO) at the U.S. Department of Commerce. The discussion covers topics including: A framework for employing industrial policy effectively Economic resilience and strategic dominance Opportunities and challenges in ramping up U.S. chip production Recent industrial policy actions and their market impact How to prepare supply chains to withstand geopolitical weaponization or unexpected shocks

July 20, 2026Episode 823 min

The Power Play: Is Fusion Nearing a Kitty Hawk Moment?

In an era of AI, data centers and electrification, rising power demand presents a range of challenges and investment opportunities across the energy sector. Bottlenecks in the supply chain, such as the backlog in gas turbine production, have grabbed headlines while the power-hungry digital infrastructure buildout lifts energy consumption. With the grid increasingly strained, commercial-grade fusion power is one innovative solution emerging in a rapidly evolving energy landscape. PGIM's Daleep Singh visits Commonwealth Fusion Systems CEO Bob Mumgaard for a conversation inside the facility that houses SPARC, the company's prototype for what could be the first commercially produced machine that generates net energy from fusion. This milestone – expected in 2027 – would be significant, paving the way for the first generation of fusion power plants. Like geothermal energy and small modular reactors, commercially viable fusion power could make the national grid better equipped to meet forecasts for intense electricity demand – using dispatchable, zero-carbon power that could be more resilient through periods of geopolitical strife. Institutional investors will continue to play a role in deploying the long-term capital needed to scale new technologies, expand the power grid, and fortify energy supply chains. Listen for an inside look at the future of fusion power. This episode explores: CFS's plans to establish the first ARC plant in the early 2030s – and its ambitions to build thousands more The engineering and capital hurdles to create grid-scale fusion power plants Industrial policy actions and public-private partnerships that could accelerate the fusion buildout Why fusion energy's supply chain is less vulnerable to geopolitical chokepoints than traditional fuel sources

July 7, 2026Episode 723 min

Warsh's Opening Act: Inside the Fed's Regime Shift with James Bullard

The arrival of Kevin Warsh as Chair of the Federal Reserve marked a regime shift. At its June meeting, the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC) dropped its easing bias, opening the door to interest rate hikes as supply shocks collide with hotter demand. The Fed also announced five new task forces to evaluate key priorities, from inflation frameworks to AI's impact on productivity and the labor market. Under Warsh, the central bank sent an unmistakable message: This is just the opening act for a very different Fed. James Bullard, former President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis and current Dean of the Mitch Daniels School of Business at Purdue University, joins PGIM's Daleep Singh to analyze the start of the Warsh era at the Fed. They discuss policy challenges from inflation's resurgence, the case for lower rates over the long run, and potential market implications if the Fed changes how it conducts monetary policy. The conversation also covers: The Fed's reaction function amid policy shifts and economic transformation Emerging similarities to the Fed's Greenspan era How changes to Fed communications and forward guidance could influence markets Economic outcomes from the AI boom – and why fears of job destruction might be overblown

June 8, 2026Episode 637 min

Strategic Stalemate: What Investors Miss About U.S.-China Competition

The military concept of escalation dominance posits that the side controlling the pace and pain of a conflict determines the outcome. For most of the Cold War era, the U.S. had escalation dominance—militarily, technologically, and economically—but the use of economic statecraft was limited. That era is over. As great power competition intensifies, the relationship between the U.S. and China offers a view into where competition is headed and what it means for global stability. While the U.S.-China summit resulted in an effective truce, there are deeper takeaways that investors and other observers should consider. PGIM's Daleep Singh welcomes Julian Gewirtz, former Senior Director for China and Taiwan Affairs at the National Security Council, to discuss the U.S.-China stalemate and the economic long game. The conversation covers topics including: Geopolitical and economic takeaways from the summit China's efforts to buy time—and potential U.S. policy responses Technological competition, including AI, chips and related minerals Strategies aimed at achieving AI superiority in pursuit of national interests

May 6, 2026Episode 544 min

Beyond the Battlefield: Chokepoints in the Age of Economic Warfare

Global conflicts are increasingly playing out in the economic arena, not just on the battlefield. The war in Iran represents a collision of both. Physical and financial chokepoints can be used for strategic leverage; they also raise potential vulnerabilities. To unpack how and why economic warfare is reshaping the macro landscape, Daleep Singh speaks with Edward Fishman, author of "Chokepoints: American Power in the Age of Economic Warfare" and Senior Fellow and Director of the Maurice R. Greenberg Center for Geoeconomics at the Council on Foreign Relations. The discussion explores how investors can evaluate resilience to economic vulnerabilities, the future of economic statecraft amid heightened geopolitical competition, and chokepoints that investors should be watching in the future.

April 7, 2026Episode 423 min

The Old Normal: Macro Shocks Amid War, AI, and Economic Rivalries

Marc Sumerlin, Managing Partner at Evenflow Macro and former Deputy Director of the White House National Economic Council under President George W. Bush, joins Daleep Singh for a conversation about economic transformation on this episode of PGIM's The Out thinking Investor. Daleep and Marc talk about macro shocks stemming from the Iran war, how U.S. budget deficits will influence policy rates and the economy, and the relationship between monetary and fiscal authorities in a new age of economic competition. The discussion also covers: The impact of tariffs and AI on the labor market Monetary policy challenges when navigating an energy shock The future of the U.S.-China trade relationship

March 24, 2026Episode 340 min

Second Order Effects – From Iran to China: A Live Conversation with Dr. Kurt Campbell

Daleep welcomed Kurt for an in-depth look at the U.S.-China relationship and the Iran war's implications for Asia-Pacific. Speaking in front of a live audience, they also discussed how geopolitical shifts are reshaping economies, strategic leverage lurking in critical supply chains, and the outlook for Japan.

March 10, 2026Episode 235 min

Follow the Money: Inside the World's Financial Plumbing

Daleep Singh catches up with Brad Setser, Whitney Shepardson senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and former senior advis e r to the U . S . T rade R epresentative , to gather his perspectives on how entrenched imbalances are translating into strategic leverage between economic powers. They explore the world's financial plumbing, changes in trade and capital flows, and the implications for global markets. In this episode, Daleep and Brad also discuss : W hy the world may be re-globalizing rather than deglobalizing China's export-driven economy T he interplay between global trade and currency markets T he future of U.S. trade in North America and Europe T he outlook in Japan