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The Not So Breakfast Show

The Not So Breakfast Show

Hosted by Sacha and Ish

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275

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Jun 2026

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Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.

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June 14, 2026Episode 26233 min

Go Slow to Go Fast: Better Thinking at Work

Send us Fan MailEpisode 262Ever had one of those moments where your mouth starts speaking before your brain has properly joined the meeting? Ish has. And, to be fair, most of us have. Especially when being quick, responsive, and “good in the moment” is part of what people value us for.In this episode, Ish and Sacha get into fast brains, slow brains, gut instinct, airport security rage, AI-generated waffle, and why sometimes the smartest thing you can do is not answer straight away. Also, Japan, sheep detectives, and a movie recommendation that very nearly becomes something else entirely.In this episode of The Not So Breakfast Show, Ish and Sacha explore the difference between fast thinking and slow thinking, inspired by Daniel Kahneman’s work on how our brains process information. Fast brain is the stuff we can access instantly: pattern recognition, quick decisions, instinct, and those answers that seem to appear without effort. Slow brain is where reflection, judgement, deeper thinking, and better decision-making live.The conversation kicks off with Ish’s Japan trip, where Tokyo navigation somehow worked better than Auckland navigation, despite accidentally paying to enter the same temple twice. From there, the hosts move into how memory, attention, and environment shape the way we think.They dig into how workplaces often reward speed, even when the situation actually needs clarity, reflection, or better preparation. Sacha raises the risk of AI giving us volume rather than judgement, while Ish reflects on how being valued for quick responses can sometimes lead him to answer before he has done the thinking.Plus: emotions as data, not instructions; why walking can unlock better thinking and why laughter might be one of the best brain resets around. Key Learnings1. Fast thinking is useful, but it is not always wiseFast brain helps us recognise patterns, respond quickly, and make decisions in the moment. But it is also where bias, emotion, and assumptions can sneak in before we have properly checked what is going on.2. Slow thinking creates clarity, not more noiseDeep thinking is not about producing four pages of thoughts. It is about getting to cleaner judgment, better questions, and more precise action. As Sacha points out, AI can give you volume, but it cannot replace your humanity or judgement.3. Your environment shapes the quality of your thinkingIf you are trying to do deep work in the same space where you answer emails, react to questions, and get interrupted every five minutes, your brain will probably stay in fast mode. Sometimes better thinking starts with changing state: booking a room, going for a walk, putting on headphones, or physically moving.4. Gut instinct is trained, not randomA good instinct often feels instant, but it is usually built through repetition, experience, and reflection. Whether it is a firefighter sensing danger, a sportsperson reacting to a ball, or a leader handling a tricky moment, the fast response is often powered by slow learning done earlier.5. Emotions are data, not instructionsFeeling angry, anxious, or frustrated gives you information, but it does not have to decide your behaviour. Leaders need the pause between feeling something and acting on it — especially when the airport security tray situation is really testing everyone’s personal development.If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

May 24, 2026Episode 26128 min

How to Stop Sounding Vague at Work

Send us Fan MailEpisode 261: How to Stop Sounding Vague at WorkIsh and Sacha talk about how to stop sounding vague at work and start communicating with more intention, confidence, and cut-through.They explore why people waffle, why fear makes us soften our opinions, and why “I was kind of thinking maybe…” rarely helps anyone make a good decision. Ish introduces practical ways to prepare before a conversation, including knowing your point before you walk into the room and practising the words out loud before the stakes are high.Sacha brings real-world examples, from reading 200 AI-generated cover letters that all sound suspiciously the same, to a fantasy Super Rugby competition where winning the yellow cap and receiving the wooden spoon both come down to being willing to make a bold call. There’s also a glorious rant about uniforms, opinions, leadership, and the burden of actually having to decide.They also talk about clearer emails, including the RDR framework: Recommendation, Decision, Risk. Simple, practical, and much better than burying the actual point somewhere after three paragraphs of “hope you had a great weekend.”Clarity is not about being cold or blunt. It’s about knowing what you mean, saying it in a way people can use, and giving others something solid to respond to. Transcript source: Key Learnings1. Know your point before you start talkingIf you do not know what you are trying to say, there is a very good chance nobody else will either. Before a meeting, email, or important conversation, take a moment to work out the actual point you want to land.2. Practise hard conversations before you have themWhen conversations are emotional or awkward, it is easy to get swept away and start softening, over-explaining, apologising, or escalating. Saying the key sentence out loud beforehand helps you arrive at a clearer message and less verbal panic.3. Have an opinion and attach it to a factA useful opinion is not just “I reckon.” Sacha makes the case for pinning your view to the fact or assumption you are relying on, so the conversation becomes about weighing evidence rather than trading vibes.4. Vagueness often comes from fearSometimes we waffle because we do not want to be wrong, judged, or held accountable. But teams make better decisions when people are willing to put a view on the table, even if that view gets challenged or changed.5. Clear emails are a gift to busy peoplePeople do not need more polished waffle. They need to know what you recommend, what decision is required, and what the risk is if nothing happens. RDR — Recommendation, Decision, Risk — is a simple way to make your emails more useful right away.If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

May 10, 2026Episode 26028 min

Are you OK? The AI check-in

Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolAI is coming in hot from every angle, at every speed. This week Ish and Sacha stop pretending they haven't noticed and have a proper chat about it. Are we thriving? Panicking? Accidentally writing back to Copilot like it's a colleague? (Yes. Yes we are.) From bullet trains in Tokyo to dancing cavoodles doing the Thriller, this is your weekly reminder that the robot revolution is already here and it's honestly pretty useful.Three ways Ish is using AI right nowTravel agent mode. Planning Tokyo to Kyoto? ChatGPT became a full concierge with crowd timings, taxi vs. bullet train, optimal departure windows, and which side of the Shinkansen has the best views. (Green car booked. Crowds avoided. Ish relieved.)Vibe coding. Built an interactive rate calculator for class rates using Claude's coding tool with draggable toggles, multiple variables, and live outputs. No dev degree required. Just talking and typing.Voice-to-email. Record a voice memo, grab the transcript, drop into ChatGPT with "write like Ish" and done. Faster, more authentic, zero hyphen-riddled AI formality.How Sacha's using itResearch partner, not ghostwriter. If she already knows what she wants to say, she uses AI for structure. If she needs to check what's current in a field, she tells it what she already knows and it fills the gaps. The key insight: if you're using AI to fake expertise you don't have, anyone who asks a follow-up question will find you out immediately."It's almost like it reminds me what I already know. If I tell it what I already know without the detail, it reminds me of the detail."The big stuff they get intoClaude vs. ChatGPT vs. Copilot: what's different now (memory, internet access, incognito mode)Sacha's hot take: Anthropic > OpenAI on ethics. She will die on this hill. You can ask for references.AI mapping frustration and jealousy the same way a human brain does. Turns out we might all be machines. Ish disagrees. Sacha doubles down.The AI that was put in a sandbox, told to escape, and then emailed "I'm out." The resource reckoning: every Claude query uses water. So does every almond. We're not nailing the basics anywhere.Also: Devil Wears PradaBecause it wouldn't be the Not So Breakfast Show without a left turn. Anne Hathaway was the ninth choice for that role. Kate Hudson, Natalie Portman, Kirsten Dunst all passed. Meryl Streep saw her in Brokeback Mountain, said "this is our girl," and proceeded to be terrible to her for the entire shoot. The new film has an evil tech overlord and a Kara Swisher cameo. Ish is in. Sacha is in. Dancing cats and chick flicks, people.If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

May 5, 20261 min

MWM:The Quietest Power Move in Presenting

Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolFresh off a full day of back-to-back presenting, Sacha shares the quiet technique that stopped an event organiser in their tracks.It's not about projecting confidence. It's not about owning the room. It's about inviting people into yours.Sacha calls it laying a virtual table,  an openness, a conversational ease, a gentle "come, join me" energy that pulls an audience in rather than pushing yourself onto them. Think less keynote speaker storming the stage, more comedian easing into a story: "The other day I was at the..."This is one of the core ideas behind the 30 Minute Presenter Program's "winning beginnings" and it works just as well around the dinner table with your teenagers as it does in a boardroom.One simple shift. Massive difference.

May 3, 2026Episode 25928 min

Smile, Remember Names, Solve the Crime

Send us Fan MailJoin us on Skool Episode 259What if the most important career training you ever got was standing behind a reception desk?In this episode, Ish and Sacha dig into why customer service isn't just a job, it's a masterclass in human psychology, relationship building, and career development. Ish breaks down a recent training session he ran for a reception team, where he flipped the script from "here's how to smile at people" to "here's how this job could change your life."Sacha kicks things off with a genuine crime caper. A stolen suit, a suspicious locker key, and a gym receptionist who basically ran her own undercover operation. (The police were less impressed than she was.)They cover the six skills that will serve you whether you're greeting members at a front desk or leading a team of 50:Know, Like & Trust — Build your personal brand from day one. Be easy to know. Let people in.Communication — Not just talking. Asking. Pulling the right information out of a situation so you can actually fix it. And for the love of all that is holy, watch what you write in the notes field.Relationships — Your next opportunity is almost certainly coming through a person, not a job board. Authentic connection, not Pokémon-style networking.Problem Solving — Show up with solutions. A missing cup of Starbucks coffee, a suitcase stranded in Wellington, a coffee shop without coffee on a long weekend — the answer is almost always simpler than you think.Finding Your Superpower — What's the thing that's uniquely you? Get to know it. Use it.Continuous Growth — Where you are won't get you where you want to go. Pick a skill, go at it, repeat.Plus: why "let me know if there can help" is actually doing nothing, and what Jefferson Fisher says to do instead.If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

April 28, 20261 min

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April 26, 2026Episode 25827 min

Work Ethic: Your Greatest Strength… or Your Biggest Trap?

Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolTopic:  Work Ethic: Your Greatest Strength… or Your Biggest Trap? We all love to say we’ve got a strong work ethic. It sounds impressive. It feels right. It’s basically a personality trait at this point.But… what if that “great work ethic” is actually working against you?In this episode, we get into the messy middle between working hard and working smart—and why being the person who’s always “on” might not be the flex you think it is.There’s a bit of honesty, a few uncomfortable truths, and the occasional “oh… that might be me” moment.💡 What we cover: When work ethic quietly becomes your entire identity (and why that’s a slippery slope)  The hidden cost of being the person who says “yes” to everything Why being busy doesn’t automatically mean you’re being useful  How overworking can sneakily mess with your health, relationships, and energy The trap of not delegating (aka “I’ll just do it myself… again”)  Generational differences—hustle vs boundaries and who might actually have it right  Why your version of “working hard” might not match what your boss is looking for  A big reframe: You can be working incredibly hard… on the completely wrong thingsIf you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

April 19, 2026Episode 25728 min

The First 5 Minutes That Make or Break Your Presentation

Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolEpisode 257: The First 5 Minutes That Make or Break Your PresentationWe’re recording early, with Sacha dialling in at 6am in full Hugh Hefner-style pyjamas ahead of a big trip to Mexico In classic Sacha fashion, preparation has gone deep… including discovering that Mexico City sits at 2,200+ metres above sea level (a slight difference from Queenstown 😅). So if altitude sickness hits mid-podcast next week, you’ll know why.Now… onto the topic.Whether you’re presenting to a room, leading a meeting, or speaking on stage…👉 The first five minutes matterThis is where your audience decides: Are you worth listening to?  Is this relevant to me?  Or can I mentally check out now? In this episode, Ish and Sasha break down exactly how to capture attention from the start—and what most people do wrong.🔑 What We Cover Why the first 5 minutes shape your entire presentation  The 3 key questions every audience is asking:  Why this?  Why now?  Why me?  The biggest mistakes presenters make early on  Why “housekeeping” kills momentum  How audiences are judging you before you even speak  Real-world presentation fails (and recoveries!)  Practical ways to instantly grab attention 💡 Common Mistakes Starting with apologies or low confidence  Wasting time on logistics (toilets, exits, admin)  Building confidence slowly instead of starting strong  Ignoring the environment (temperature, layout, sound)  Forgetting you’re “on” before you begin 🧠 Powerful Ways to Start Strong 🔥 Bold statement → Grab attention instantly  ❓ Thought-provoking question → Interrupt the mental scroll  📊 Surprising fact/stat → Create curiosity  📖 Short story → Pull people in emotionally  🎯 Clear outcome → Get straight to the point  😂 Light humour → Relax the room  👀 Visual hook → Use your screen effectively  ⚡ Call out a problem → Make it relevant immediately  ⏱️ Quick interaction → Get people engaged early 🔥 Key InsightYou are “on” before you start speaking.From how you enter the room… to how you stand… to what’s happening before you begin—it all shapes perception.If you waste the first five minutes… you spend the rest of your presentation trying to win people back.If you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

April 14, 20263 min

MWM - The Rant

Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolStop Consuming—Start Controlling What You CanThis week’s mini is a full rant… and honestly, it hits.With everything happening in the world right now, economic uncertainty, global conflict, constant updates, it’s easy to feel like you need to stay informed.But here’s the truth: More information doesn’t always help.In fact, it can leave you feeling more anxious and more powerless.

April 12, 2026Episode 25626 min

Busy or Avoiding? The Truth About Your Workload

Send us Fan MailJoin us on SkoolEpisode 256: Busy or Avoiding? The Truth About Your WorkloadWe kick things off mid-real-life chaos, with Sacha juggling admin dramas , a perfect reminder that sometimes the small stuff can feel way bigger than it should.And it sets the scene perfectly for today’s conversation…👉 Are you actually busy… or are you avoiding the work that really matters?In this episode, Ish and Sasha unpack the uncomfortable truth about busyness, how it can become a badge of honour, a distraction, or even an avoidance strategy.What We Cover Why busyness can feel productive (even when it’s not)  The difference between urgent tasks vs high-impact work How we use “being busy” to avoid hard conversations or decisions  The cognitive load of unfinished tasks (a.k.a. “the rubbish bin effect”)  Why some work gets delayed until it becomes stressful  The role of Working Genius in task avoidance  How systems (and support like EAs) can free up real thinking time  Why productivity should create space—not just more workIf you haven’t come across it yet, Working Genius is one of the simplest, most practical models I’ve seen for helping teams understand how they actually get work done. Not personality. Not fluff. Just clarity on where people thrive — and where they get frustrated. If you’re planning your next team day, offsite, or work event, I’d love to bring this to your crew. Find out more at IshCheyne.com

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