Podcast: One-On-One With Lisa Binkley, Chief Operations Officer At National Credit-Reporting System Inc.
The chief operations officer at National Credit-Reporting System Inc. says it is important for the mortgage industry to understand the latest technology being used by fraudsters. Then, industry leaders need to develop protocols and plans to eliminate their use.“You know, we really need to protect ourselves in mortgage originations to verify the consumer identity,” Lisa Binkley said.This is especially true when it comes to checking incomes in a modern economy.“I think one of the things that stymies the industry, regardless of the type of income, is the thought that all of this just creates friction instead of the thought that this is underpinning your decision for safety and soundness in our financial markets,” she said.Binkley recently sat down with The Mortgage Note’s Scott Kimbler to talk about how NCS combats fraud and what keeps her in the industry after nearly 40 years. Binkley told Kimbler she started originating mortgages in the late 1980s.“I started originating mortgages in 1987, and I came out of the securities and insurance licensed world, and I was a part-time worker. I was a stay-at-home mom prior to that. And went from part-time loan officer to fraud investigator to risk manager to COO. It’s just been a fantastic journey, and it’s all been in the mortgage industry. It has been a super industry for me,” Binkley said.Binkley said the team at NCS works hard to combat fraud, which is widespread with today’s fast-growing technology innovations. As companies get smarter, so do criminals attempting to beat the system.“Fraud prevention has escalated to a whole new realm on both sides,” Binkley said. “The other day I was reading an article where a realtor did an online interview with basically what was a fraudster who then scanned her image and voice. And was going to use that as part of a loan package to purchase a property.”When it comes to the mortgage industry, Binkley said in the past it was relatively easy to verify incomes.Over the past decade, the economy has shifted, and more people are doing gig work or have side hustles.“Instead of your 40 or 50-year-olds at IBM or something, you have, ‘I’m an Uber driver part time, I’m a Lyft driver second time, and I work in a family restaurant the rest of the time and here’s my pile of tax returns or tax receipts.’ And so really being able to qualify that consumer based on the money that they earn and the taxes that they pay is really important,” Binkley said.At the same time, this is another area that could be targeted by fraudsters.“It would not be outside the parameters of a fraud organization to go out and create several bank accounts that have 12-months’ worth of assets and deposits and ongoing deposits, and recycle those through many schemes,” Binkley said. “They would reuse these documents. They would, throughout the entire cycle, if you will, of the scheme, they would go into an area and target, say condos, townhomes, and go out and buy them.”Binkley went on to say that systems are becoming far more integrated to include credit, income, employment, and identity verifications, though some in the industry still lag behind available technology.When it comes to what drives her to stay in the industry, Binkley said she is energized by all of the automation that can be created with artificial intelligence.“I’m really excited about that. That’s a big mantra for me this year. And just because I’m coming from the operations world, well, there’s still a lot of manual activity in the operations world. So that’s an excitement today,” Binkley said.“The risk with that will be keeping it smart and keeping it controlled and documented within the organization. I think that new technology provides new ways for processes and procedures to get overlooked and not documented… And I think that we have to make sure that they stay documented.”You can learn more about Nation Credit-Reporting System at NCSTRV.com.




