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June 9, 202645 min

How Gucci Coca-Cola and Louis Vuitton Built Brand Love

Why does a $5,000 Gucci bag and a $500 bag hold your stuff the same way — but one feels like an extension of your identity and the other doesn't? That's brand love. And in this full-circle episode of The MetaBusiness Millennial, I'm sitting down with the woman who literally wrote the international bestselling book on it — Lydia Michael — who also happened to be the marketing strategist behind my very first clean beauty brand, DAO Detroit (DAO = Defy All Odds), back in 2017.   Years later, she's a #1 international bestseller, owner of Detroit-based Blended Collective, an adjunct professor across three continents, and a Board of Trustees member at the Detroit Symphony Orchestra. I'm building Ra Beauty, my second clean beauty brand — this time from a completely different place. So when she reached out a few weeks ago for a testimonial, I told her — let's do better than a testimonial. Come on the show.   What unfolded is part reunion, part masterclass, part love letter to the brands that built us.   We unpack The Eight Brand Love Stages — Lydia's framework featured in university programs worldwide and translated into Turkish and Vietnamese. We talk about why 90% of customers make decisions based on gut feeling (and then justify with logic), why Coca-Cola doesn't sell beverages (they sell joy and happiness), and why I'm a Gucci goddess in the era of Tom Ford sensuality. Lydia walks us through how brands like L'Oréal, Garnier Fructis, Louis Vuitton, Hermès, Chanel, and Versace build emotional resonance — and where most small businesses leak love.   Then we cross the bridge into my world: the mirror principle. A brand can't receive love it isn't broadcasting. I share why I'm praying over every Ra Beauty box and signing every insert card by hand — and why building from the inside out is the new luxury.   This is the conversation for every founder, marketer, and high-achieving woman who wants to build something people don't just buy — but actually love.   —  —  —  —  —  —  —  —  —  —  —  —   🎧 What You'll Learn The real, dinner-table definition of brand love (no jargon) The Eight Brand Love Stages framework explained Why 90% of buying decisions are emotional first The difference between a customer who likes you and one who loves you Why Coca-Cola sells joy and Gucci sells sensuality How the mirror principle applies to brand-building Why kindness is a marketing strategy Why small businesses are the future of conscious commerce   📚 Connect With Lydia Michael Book: Brand Love – Building Strong Consumer-Brand Connections (Amazon and wherever books are sold) Website: blendedcollective.com  |  lydiamichael.com LinkedIn: @lydiamichael  |  @blendedcollective Instagram: @lydiamichael_  |  @blendedcollective   ✨ Connect With Erin Instagram: @iamerinpatten Website: erinpatten.com Ra Beauty: rabeauty.co   If this episode hit, do me a favor — like, subscribe, and drop a comment with the brand YOU love most. Share this with a founder who needs to hear it.   Much love and light. ✨

May 16, 20261 hr 17 min

She Married Into Hollywood Royalty Then Chose Herself

She married her best friend of 23 years. She married him in front of one of the most famous fathers in Hollywood. And she filed for annulment fifteen days later.   In this raw, faith-forward conversation with her sister and bestie Erin Patten, Romi Marie sits in the seat of her own truth — for the first time, in long form, in her own voice — about marrying James Haven (Angelina Jolie's older brother), the night-of-the-wedding moment that changed everything, the pattern of saying yes to men who couldn't stay, and the holy work of coming home to herself.   This is not a tell-all. It is a testimony.   We talk about three marriages and one annulment. We talk about the daddy wounds underneath all of it. We talk about her daughter who pulled her out of survival mode and looked her dead in the eye and said, "Mama, you got a bad picker." We talk about the memoir she is releasing one chapter at a time on Substack, read in her own voice, with no editor sexualizing her story for the page. And we talk about Jesus — about hiding, about being seen, about the moment a woman finally decides she has nothing left to hide.   Romi has been in People Magazine. She has been on reality television. She could have taken this story to any platform she wanted. She chose this one — because she wanted to be heard, and held, by her sister.   If you have ever said yes too fast, walked away too late, or wondered whether the life you are being asked to release is the door to the life you actually came here to live — this episode will meet you exactly where you are.   𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗠𝗲 𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: www.erinpatten.com 𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: @iamerinpatten 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻: @iamerinpatten 𝗧𝗶𝗸𝘁𝗼𝗸: @iamerinpatten 𝗦𝗽𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆: https://open.spotify.com/show/3d5JluD4wiOC8pYSDVHTSq 𝗔𝗽𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-metabusiness-millennial/id1654460591   𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗥𝗼𝗺𝗶 𝗖𝗼𝗮𝗰𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴: madreromi.com 𝗠𝗲𝗺𝗼𝗶𝗿: Substack — Romi Marie (new chapter every Wednesday morning) 𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: @romi_hairandbeauty   𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺𝘀 Free Masterclass — Future Ready Leadership for the Beautiful, Loving and Knowledgeable Woman → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage Apply for the Divine Alignment Mentorship → erinpatten.com Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com   #RomiMarie #JamesHaven #AngelinaJolie #JolieVoight #TheRealLWord #MadreRomi #IdentityCoach #FaithJourney #ChristianWomen #MotherhoodAndHealing #Annulment #DivorceRecovery #ChooseYourself #SubstackMemoir #FeminineLeadership #HealingEra #NothingToHide #SpiritualEntrepreneurship #ErinPatten #TheMetabusinessMillennial

May 12, 202621 min

Why I Quit Drinking, Dating, and Social Media Apps

In this episode, I'm getting honest about the season I've been quietly walking through. I haven't been on a date in months. I've stopped drinking. I deleted Instagram, TikTok, LinkedIn, and Facebook from my phone. I'm not going out on weekends. And my life, my business, and my alignment have never been more dialed in.   I'm calling it The Great Subtraction. And I am very much not the only woman in it.   There's a quiet movement underway among high-achieving women right now — an abstinence economy, a sacred withdrawal, a season of nothing that is actually a season of everything. We're stepping away from the cocktails, the dating apps, the constant content, the swipe-left-swipe-right disposable economy of attention. Not out of restriction. Out of recognition.   This conversation is about why subtraction is one of the most strategic spiritual moves you can make. It's about the mirror principle — how the chaos in your inner world is showing up directly in your business, your money, your relationships — and why deleting an app, declining a drink, or saying no to a date can do more for your next-level than another strategy session ever will.   𝗜𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲, 𝗜 𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗸 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁: Why I deleted my social media apps and what shifted immediately The abstinence economy and why so many women are sober, single, and offline by choice The mirror principle and how your business is reflecting your inner world Why "you take you wherever you go" is the truth no one teaches in business school How healing through subtraction creates space for the manifestations you've been calling in Why your romantic boundaries and your business boundaries are the same boundaries The woman who emerges from sacred withdrawal and why she's intimidating to anyone who knew her before   This is not about deprivation. It's not punishment. It's preparation.   If you've been feeling lonely, restless, or quietly pulled away from the version of life you used to chase — this episode will meet you right where you are.   𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗠𝗲 𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://www.erinpatten.com/  𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: @iamerinpatten 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻: @iamerinpatten 𝗧𝗶𝗸𝘁𝗼𝗸: @iamerinpatten 𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺𝘀 Free Masterclass — Future Ready Leadership for the Beautiful, Loving and Knowledgeable Woman → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage Apply for the Divine Alignment Mentorship → erinpatten.com Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com  

April 10, 202622 min

The Sacred Art of Sitting in What's Not Ready Yet

Tune in as I get real about what it feels like when every planet in the solar system is moving forward and your life still feels like it's buffering. This is a solo episode. No guest. Just me, my truth, and a download I couldn't keep to myself. I'm in limbo right now. The custody situation with my son is unresolved. My beauty brand Ra Beauty just launched and we're still figuring out direction. Business relationships I've outgrown are shifting. And my evolutionary astrologer Kristin Fontana told me something that rearranged how I see this entire season. She said you are right on time. And the system isn't fully a go yet. So I break down what's actually happening in the cosmos right now, why the lunar nodes hovering at eight to nine degrees Virgo/Pisces since mid-January have us sitting between what we're finishing from our past and what we're anchoring to in our future. I share the mirrored revolving door image that changed how I understand growth and why half of us are being sent back to re-evolve while the other half are being upgraded and sent forward. I get vulnerable about what it's been like to have no legal rights over my own son's medical care and schooling and how I had to move from shame and anger into unconditional trust in God. And I walk you through the April 20th to May 6th acceleration window that's coming and why you will only receive it if you honor the stillness first. This episode explores: Why the not ready feeling is actually the readiness and what that means for your next move The mirrored revolving door and how to know which side you're standing on What releasing control looks like when it's your child and not your business Why the 16 day window between April 20th and May 6th changes everything How fasting, prayer, social media detox and purification prepared me for what's next This is not a motivational speech about patience. This is me sitting in the wait with you and telling you the truth about what I see on the other side of it. If you're sitting in April with a launch that's not ready, a situation that's not resolved, and a life that feels like it's on pause. If you needed someone to tell you that you are not behind. This episode is for you. Connect with me: Website: www.erinpatten.com Instagram: @iamerinpatten Explore my work: Free Masterclass: Future Ready Leadership → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com #FeminineLeadership #WomenEntrepreneurs #PurposeDriven #ErinPatten #MetaBusinessMillennial #DivineTiming #SacredPause #TrustTheProcess

April 1, 202640 min

How Her Husband's Unfinished Novel Became a Bridge to the Other Side with Ksenia Merch

Tune in as my guest, Ksenia Merck, and I sit down to talk about what happens when the love of your life leaves behind an unfinished story. Not a metaphor. A real science fiction novel sitting in a drawer. And you decide to pick up the pen and finish it. An architect with over four decades in construction, a woman who grew up on job sites with her World War II paratrooper father, built her own consulting firm in 2002, and now runs two businesses while honoring the literary legacy her late husband Bill left behind. This conversation is not about loss. It's about what love looks like when it refuses to end. Ksenia shares what it was like to feel the vibration between her and Bill rise in the hospital during his most critical moments, how she went from PTSD and sleepless nights to locking the door and pulling out her paints at the same dining room table where her father taught her to draw. She walks us through finding stories about their love woven into his manuscript, why she creates in complete silence because that's where she feels him closest, and how painting the Twin Star became the symbol of their eternal bond. One soul in the center. Two hearts. I share my own experience with losing my father and how grief presents us with two doors. Destruction or creation. We get to choose which one we walk through. This episode explores: What it means to finish your late husband's novel as an act of love not just legacy How grief transformed into creative power at the same dining room table where it all began Why the vibration between two aligned souls rises in crisis instead of falling How creating in silence became her bridge between the physical and non-physical This is not a conversation about moving on. It's about moving with. When love is built in the spirit the physical world has no authority to end it. If you've ever lost someone and wondered if the connection still lives. If you've ever needed someone to remind you that love doesn't need a body to keep going. This episode is for you. Connect with me: Website: www.erinpatten.com Instagram: @iamerinpatten Explore my work: Free Masterclass: Future Ready Leadership → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com Connect with Ksenia: Website: MerckIIPress.com

March 26, 202640 min

She Built Nine Companies Starting from Poverty With Laura Gisborne

Tune in as my guest, Laura Gisborne, and I sit down to talk about what happens when you stop spinning and start building a business that is both wildly profitable and deeply purposeful. Raised in poverty by a teenage mother, a survivor of childhood abuse and domestic violence, and a woman who went on to build nine companies and raise over $600,000 for charities around the world. This conversation is not about the highlight reel, it's about the real, messy, faith-led journey from survival to sovereignty. Laura shares what it was really like growing up being told she wasn't wanted and how the women who saw her before she could see herself changed everything. She walks us through how one business birthed the next, why she donates the first 20% of all gross revenue to charity, and the moment a first responder pulled her from a head-on collision and the first words out of her mouth were God's not done with me yet. I share what I'm walking through with my own custody journey and how the hardest seasons deepen your trust in God the most. We talk about why so many women tell themselves someday when I get there I can give and how that lie keeps us stuck. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲𝘀: • What it really looks like to go from poverty and abuse to building nine companies • Why giving away 20% of your revenue is actually a growth strategy • How identity shifts when a woman sees herself as a changemaker • What it means to build your business around your life not the other way around This is not a conversation about hustling harder, it's about healing deeper. Purpose and profit are not opposites. They never were. If you've ever felt like where you came from disqualifies you from where you're going. If you've ever needed someone to remind you that you are already enough exactly as God made you. This episode is for you. 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗟𝗮𝘂𝗿𝗮:𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲:https://limitlesswomen.com/𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗼𝗼𝗸: www.laurafreebook.com𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: https://www.instagram.com/limitless.women/ 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗠𝗲𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://www.erinpatten.com/𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: https://www.instagram.com/iamerinpatten/𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamerinpatten/𝗧𝗶𝗸𝘁𝗼𝗸: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamerinpatten𝗦𝗽𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆: https://open.spotify.com/show/3d5JluD4wiOC8pYSDVHTSq𝗔𝗽𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-metabusiness-millennial/id1654460591 𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺𝘀 • Free Masterclass – Future Ready Leadership for the Beautiful, Loving and Knowledgeable Woman → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage• Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com #FeminineLeadership #WomenEntrepreneurs #PurposeDriven #ErinPatten #LauraGisborne #MetaBusinessMillennial #FaithInBusiness

March 10, 202636 min

She Built a Business That Runs Without Her ft. Georgia Thomas

Tune in as my guest, Georgia Thomas, and I sit down to talk about what happens when you stop doing everything and start becoming the leader your business actually needs. A former corporate lawyer, a devoted mum, and a woman who built an eight-figure portfolio with her husband while designing a business that runs without her. All in about a year. This conversation is not about grinding longer, it's about building smarter and trusting that the life you want is allowed to come first. Georgia shares the moment she knew law wasn't it, sitting on Miami Beach feeling alive and knowing she was about to go back to a life that didn't match. She talks about watching a partner miss his own child's birthday for pointless drinks and how that image never left her. She walks us through removing herself from her own company by designing a strategic leadership transition, and what it looked like to let go of her first baby so she could show up for the real one. I share how my son, Harleaux, aligned me with everything I teach and why the hardest seasons of motherhood deepened my spiritual path. We talk about why society tells women to wait until everything is perfect to have children and how that lie keeps us disconnected from the very thing that accelerates us. This episode explores: • What it really looks like to build a business designed for freedom • How motherhood became a leadership superpower not a limitation • How faith and purpose can guide your biggest career decisions • What freedom actually looks like on a regular Tuesday This is not a conversation about doing more, it's about doing what matters and releasing everything else. Feminine flow over masculine hustle. Trusting that stepping away doesn't mean falling behind. If you've ever felt trapped inside something you built with your own hands. If you've ever wondered whether you can have the business and the family without sacrificing yourself. If you've ever needed permission to stop grinding and start living. This episode is for you. 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗚𝗲𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗶𝗮:𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: https://www.instagram.com/withgeorgiathomas/𝗔𝗴𝗲𝗻𝗰𝘆: createwithestudios.com𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁: The Social Edge Podcast 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗠𝗲𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://www.erinpatten.com/𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: https://www.instagram.com/iamerinpatten/𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamerinpatten/𝗧𝗶𝗸𝘁𝗼𝗸: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamerinpatten𝗦𝗽𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆: https://open.spotify.com/show/3d5JluD4wiOC8pYSDVHTSq𝗔𝗽𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-metabusiness-millennial/id1654460591 𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺𝘀 • Free Masterclass – Future Ready Leadership for the Beautiful, Loving and Knowledgeable Woman → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage• Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com #FeminineLeadership #WomenEntrepreneurs #Motherhood #FreedomBusiness #PurposeDriven #ErinPatten #GeorgiaThomas #MetaBusinessMillennial #FaithInBusiness #CEOMom #BuildSmart  

February 26, 202633 min

Why the City Girl Who Had It All Ran Back Home

Tune in as my good friend, Ashley Sutton, and I sit down to talk about a story that started with loss and ended somewhere far more transformative than either of us expected. Two fathers gone, two women who left home to build something and one conversation about what happens when life calls you back. This conversation is not about pretending the pain didn't happen, it's about telling the truth about what coming home really costs and what it quietly gives back. Ashley shares what led her to leave New York City, the moment grief made the decision for her, and what it meant to show up for her mother while still running a business and mourning two losses in less than two years. We talk about the loneliness that nobody warns successful women about, the kind that finds you in your childhood bedroom surrounded by people who no longer recognize who you've become. I share what it was like to move back home, become pregnant while grieving and sober for the first time, feeling everything I had spent years numbing. We unpack why going home isn't regression, why your awakening often lives inside your most unbearable chapter, and why the women who seem to have it all are sometimes the loneliest people in the room. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲𝘀: • What it really means when life calls you home • How grief can become the gateway to your purpose • Why successful women struggle most with belonging • What healing actually looks like inside a business • How to check in with yourself before burnout checks you out This is not a conversation about bouncing back, it's a conversation about going inward, honoring your pain, and building something real on the other side of loss. If you've ever felt like a stranger in the place that made you. If you've ever had to choose between your dreams and your family. If you've ever wondered whether going home means giving up. 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗠𝗲𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://www.erinpatten.com/𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: https://www.instagram.com/iamerinpatten/𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamerinpatten/𝗧𝗶𝗸𝘁𝗼𝗸: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamerinpatten𝗦𝗽𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆: https://open.spotify.com/show/3d5JluD4wiOC8pYSDVHTSq𝗔𝗽𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-metabusiness-millennial/id1654460591 𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺𝘀 • Free Masterclass – Future Ready Leadership for the Beautiful, Loving and Knowledgeable Woman → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage• Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com #FireHorse #SolarEclipse #IdentityShift #FeminineLeadership #Momentum #HeartCenteredLeadership #EnergeticAlignment #ErinPatten

February 17, 202617 min

How To Use Fire Horse Energy To Reinvent Yourself

In this episode, I’m breaking down a rare cosmic moment that only happens every 60 years and why it matters more than most people realize. The Ring of Fire solar eclipse, the Lunar New Year and the Year of the Fire Horse. Individually, they’re powerful. Together, they create an energetic reset that invites you to stop shrinking and start initiating the next version of your life. This conversation isn’t about astrology for entertainment. It’s about how to practically use energy in your business, your leadership, and your identity. I share why this season is about identity-led decisions over goal-led decisions and why asking “Who am I becoming?” is far more powerful than asking “What am I achieving?” We talk about initiation, velocity, and courage and how this Fire Horse energy supports bold movement and a chance to reinvent yourself. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲𝘀: • What the Fire Horse actually represents and why it’s historically feared • Why identity-led decisions create real momentum • How to move from force into power • The role of sacred no’s and boundaries in protecting your expansion • Why courage is the tipping point into sovereignty • How to use momentum mapping to make one move that truly shifts your trajectory This is not a conversation about grinding harder, it’s about refining your power. Releasing what asks you to shrink and stepping into heart-centered leadership without apology. If you’ve been feeling restless.If you’ve been questioning your current path.If you know you’re meant for something bigger but haven’t fully initiated it yet.This episode is for you. 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗠𝗲𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://www.erinpatten.com/𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: https://www.instagram.com/iamerinpatten/𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamerinpatten/𝗧𝗶𝗸𝘁𝗼𝗸: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamerinpatten𝗦𝗽𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆: https://open.spotify.com/show/3d5JluD4wiOC8pYSDVHTSq𝗔𝗽𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-metabusiness-millennial/id1654460591 𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺𝘀 • Free Masterclass – Future Ready Leadership for the Beautiful, Loving and Knowledgeable Woman → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage• Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com #FireHorse #SolarEclipse #IdentityShift #FeminineLeadership #Momentum #HeartCenteredLeadership #EnergeticAlignment #ErinPatten

February 9, 20261 hr 4 min

She Helped Scam Me. Then She Saved Me. An Open-Hearted Conversation With Sara Joyner

In this episode, Sara Joyner and I sit down to talk about a story that started with betrayal and ended somewhere far more complicated than most people expect. I was scammed out of thousands of dollars. Sara played a role in that situation. And later, she was also the person who warned me. This conversation is not about pretending harm didn’t happen. It’s about telling the truth about what did — fully, publicly, and without spiritual bypassing. Sara shares what led her into the situation, the moment things escalated into violence, and what it meant to come forward after realizing the damage that had been done. We talk about accountability without collapsing into shame, and why taking responsibility doesn’t always look like punishment — sometimes it looks like telling the truth and staying in the room. I share what it was like to sit across from someone who was part of my betrayal and still choose to remain grounded, discerning, and honest. We unpack why forgiveness is not the same as excusing behavior, and why gratitude doesn’t erase harm — it acknowledges complexity. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗲𝗽𝗶𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗲𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲𝘀: • What happens when spirituality overrides discernment • How self-betrayal can hide inside “good intentions” • Why accountability matters more than punishment • What forgiveness actually requires and what it doesn’t • How truth, not silence, becomes the turning point for healing This is not a conversation about manifesting love. It’s a conversation about integrity, consequence, and choosing not to abandon yourself, even when forgiveness is part of the path forward. If you’ve ever been betrayed by someone you once trusted.If you’ve ever struggled with holding compassion without minimizing harm.If you’ve ever wondered whether forgiveness is possible without self-erasure.This episode is for you. 𝗔𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗦𝗮𝗿𝗮 𝗝𝗼𝘆𝗻𝗲𝗿:Sara Joyner is a Houston-based Talent & Performance Leader, certified HR professional, executive talent consultant, and transformational storyteller whose voice blends corporate strategy with spiritual depth, authenticity, and feminine power. She is the Founder of Kindred Executive, a people and talent consulting firm dedicated to helping organizations and high-achieving professionals align purpose, performance, and leadership. With more than a decade of experience leading Talent Acquisition and People initiatives across SaaS, biotechnology, and high-growth startups, Sara has built mentorship programs, reengineered recruiting functions, and coached hundreds of professionals—especially first-generation and urban professionals—on navigating career growth, confidence, and self-worth. In November 2025, Sara’s life took a profound turn when she survived a violent assault by her former partner. Choosing courage over silence, she publicly shared her story in a TikTok video that went viral, reaching over 20 million viewers and igniting a global conversation about abuse, victim-shaming, and the power of women speaking truth without apology. Her transparency, clarity, and emotional intelligence have since positioned her as a bold, necessary voice for survivors reclaiming their freedom, identity, and voice. Beyond her corporate career, Sara is the creator of the YouTube blog Soft & Savage, where she explores healing, femininity, power, and personal rebirth with honesty and soul. She is also the author of Hashtag Trash, a raw and reflective work examining identity, culture, and the stories we tell ourselves to survive and transform. Sara is a devoted mother, an advocate for self-trust, and a woman in the midst of a powerful personal rebirth—using storytelling as both a spiritual practice and a tool for collective healing. 𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝘀:🌐 Kindred Executive: www.kindredexec.com📺 YouTube: @MissSaraJoyner📸 Instagram: @MissSaraJoyner🎵 TikTok: @SajoQueen0 𝗖𝗼𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗰𝘁 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝗠𝗲𝗪𝗲𝗯𝘀𝗶𝘁𝗲: https://www.erinpatten.com/𝗜𝗻𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺: https://www.instagram.com/iamerinpatten/𝗟𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗱𝗜𝗻: https://www.linkedin.com/in/iamerinpatten/𝗧𝗶𝗸𝘁𝗼𝗸: https://www.tiktok.com/@iamerinpatten𝗦𝗽𝗼𝘁𝗶𝗳𝘆: https://open.spotify.com/show/3d5JluD4wiOC8pYSDVHTSq𝗔𝗽𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗣𝗼𝗱𝗰𝗮𝘀𝘁: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-metabusiness-millennial/id1654460591 𝗘𝘅𝗽𝗹𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗺𝘆 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗿𝗮𝗺𝘀 • Free Masterclass – Future Ready Leadership for the Beautiful, Loving and Knowledgeable Woman → erinpatten.com/masterclass-homepage• Join the Sol Full Accelerator → upgrade.erinpatten.com #Accountability #Forgiveness #Betrayal #Discernment #Integrity #Healing #Boundaries #ErinPatten #SarahJoyner