Episodes
21
Latest episode
Apr 2026
Language
EN-US
The Measure Podcast brings you insights from across the social sector to advance racial equity and systems change. Produced by Equal Measure (https://www.equalmeasure.org).
Trabian Shorters has been thinking about systems since he was a kid—first with computers, now in shifting philanthropic culture to define people by their aspirations and contributions. He talks about his cognitive framework Asset-Framing® and the next narrative that leads to lasting change.
For Lyneir Richardson, seeing the value in people and places that others overlook has been the driving force of his career. He talks about revitalizing neighborhoods and wealth building through community-owned shopping centers. Lyneir is co-founder and CEO of The Chicago TREND Corporation.
In 2021, Dr. Dwayne Proctor became the president and CEO of Missouri Foundation for Health, following nearly two decades at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. He talks about the transition from national to state work—plus his early days touring with Ray Charles—and how to continue standing up for health equity.
Jennifer Ng'andu, managing director at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, talks about ways to shift cultural mindsets to better serve children and families across the country.
Dr. Carmen Rojas, president and CEO of the Marguerite Casey Foundation, talks about philanthropy's crucial role in moving money to frontline organizations that are defending civil society.
Dominica McBride, founder of BECOME, talks about culturally responsive evaluation as social justice and four themes from her book, Becoming Change Makers: The Exquisite Path to Leadership and Liberation for Women of Color.
Katya Fels Smyth, founder and CEO of Full Frame Initiative, talks about well-being justice, the importance of shifting power in systems change, and the organization's closing after more than 15 years.
Jeff Fuhrer breaks down false narratives about the U.S. economy—and how to change them to create more opportunity for all. He is the author of The Myth That Made Us: How False Beliefs about Racism and Meritocracy Broke Our Economy (and How to Fix It).Jeff's book: https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262552851/the-myth-that-made-us/Jeff's recent article for the Brookings Institution, "The cost of being poor is rising. And it’s worse for poor families of color": https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-cost-of-being-poor-is-rising-and-its-worse-for-poor-families-of-color/
Marcus Walton, president and CEO of GEO, sits down with Equal Measure's Leon T. Andrews, Jr., to speak about the importance of culture and community in shifting philanthropic grantmaking.
Temi F. Bennett and Hanh Le from iF, A Foundation for Radical Possibility, talk about racial equity versus racial justice and disrupting norms in the philanthroptic sector.
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