The Heart of Business

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"The Heart of Business" podcast, hosted by Mo Fathelbab, is an authentic and insightful exploration of the human side of leadership and professional growth. Through candid conversations with accomplished business leaders, thought leaders, and peer group facilitators, Mo will delve deep into the personal journeys, challenges, and triumphs that have shaped their careers. Mo Fathelbab's skillful and empathetic approach creates a safe space for guests to share their truths and vulnerabilities, revealing the emotional and often unseen dimensions of success in the corporate world. Each episode offers listeners a chance to glean practical wisdom, heartfelt advice, and a profound understanding of the intricate interplay between leadership, authenticity, and personal growth. The "Heart of Business" is the official podcast of International Facilitators Organization, LLC and hosted by IFO's founder and CEO, Mo Fathelbab. To learn more, please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com.

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April 27, 2026Episode 951 min

"Charting a Course for Leadership and Innovation" with Deborah Hersman

In our latest episode, we sit down with Deborah Hersman, an emblem of dedication to transportation safety and a vanguard for gender equality in leadership roles. Her journey is nothing short of inspiring, spanning from the corridors of Congress to chairing the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) to the innovative realm of self-driving cars at Waymo as Chief Safety Officer. Exploring the relationship between automation, technology, and human interaction, especially as it pertains to transportation, Hersman's expertise provides a fascinating look into how our society has gradually embraced automation—from the simplicity of elevators to the complexities of driverless vehicles. She delves into the intricacies of establishing trust in automated technologies and the potential for driverless cars to revolutionize safety on our roads. Our episode concludes with a thought-provoking discussion on leadership and resilience, prompted by Hersman's experiences with unforeseen tragedies such as the recent Baltimore bridge accident. Hersman offers a masterclass in leadership, safety, and innovation. Her reflections not only highlight the transformative power of technology but also emphasize the human elements of mentorship, curiosity, and the pursuit of equity that are integral to progress in any field. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Resources:Find Deb on LinkedIn~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

February 12, 202637 min

Aaron Moore: From Contractor to Community Architect

In this episode, we sit down with Aaron Moore, President of PPD Painting and Co-Founder of the Commercial Painting Industry Association, to explore how industry-specific peer forums transform insight into action—and relationships into a powerful retention engine.Aaron shares his journey from Chicago startup to buying out a partner, scaling a commercial painting company, and building CPIA around a forum model inspired by EO and YPO. We unpack the structure behind high-performing groups: non-competing peers across geographies, monthly virtual meetings, in-person sessions, and a deceptively simple update framework that surfaces what’s working, what’s draining energy, the best idea, the most important action—and the one thing you don’t want to talk about.The game-changer? Experience-sharing over advice. Speaking from lived wins and losses lowers defenses, accelerates learning, and drives clearer action.We also explore how forum habits migrate inside companies—leaders replacing certainty with curiosity, teams balancing KPIs with the human layer that drives execution, and members navigating ownership transitions, succession planning, and tough decisions with greater clarity and confidence.If you lead a trade, run a chapter, or want a serious leadership edge, this episode is a practical playbook for building high-trust peer groups that actually move the needle.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

February 3, 2026Episode 244 min

"The Art and Science of Breakthrough" with Bob Rothman

"It's perfectly okay to spiral down. The sooner you can see it, the sooner you can make the choice to go back up. That's breakthrough."Robert Rothman is the President of Gap International, has been with the company for more than thirty years, and has been instrumental in building the company to its current size and scope. As a consultant, Mr. Rothman is a strategic partner to CEOs and C-level executives in major, multinational organizations where he leads breakthrough growth and performance initiatives. In this candid discussion with Mo Fathelbab, Bob will share his insights into the concept of creating a breakthrough environment within organizations, emphasizing the importance of understanding and cultivating the many unseen factors that shape this environment. These factors and embracing new ways of seeing challenges and setbacks can propel us to achieve remarkable feats.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Resources:Gap InternationalPlease visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

February 3, 2026Episode 142 min

"In the Beginning" with Verne Harnish

"It's okay to be independent, but no reason to be alone."In the very first episode of "The Heart of Business," host Mo Fathelbab delves deep into the early years of the Entrepreneurs' Organization (EO), then Young Entrepreneurs Organization, with none other than Verne Harnish. Get ready to embark on a journey through the heart and soul of entrepreneurship as Verne shares anecdotes and invaluable insights from the formative days of EO. Hear about the trials, triumphs, and transformative experiences that shaped the organization and the visionary individuals behind it. Even if you thought you knew the story, you will undoubtedly learn something new from this candid conversation! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Resources:About Verne Harnish, CEO and Founder of Scaling Up, a global executive education and coaching company.Entrepreneurs' Organization: a global membership community of entrepreneurs by entrepreneursPlease visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

February 3, 20260 min

Introducing "The Heart of Business"

We are thrilled to announce the launch of "The Heart of Business", a podcast that will explore the personal side of business.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

December 5, 202538 min

Leading With Vulnerability: A Conversation With Dave Ingram

This episode features serial entrepreneur and facilitator Dave Ingram, who shares the pivotal moments that shaped his leadership—from his early landscaping business to building a 25-year executive search firm. Dave talks openly about the hard seasons, including the 2008 downturn, and how peer forums became his anchor for real talk and better decision-making.We explore what makes forums work: experience sharing instead of advice, confidentiality that creates safety, and the discipline to be fully present. Dave also describes how these habits show up outside the boardroom, like helping runners of all backgrounds access coaches, shoes, support, and a welcoming community—leading to miles logged, new finish lines, and social barriers coming down.Dave breaks down the craft of facilitation, why sharp questions outperform quick answers, and how frameworks like EOS stick when teams feel truly heard. He also shares how he uses AI as a thought partner without relying on it to replace human connection. If you care about leadership growth, peer learning, and building healthier organizations, this conversation gives you real tools and real hope.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

November 20, 202535 min

The Forum Habit: Practicing Trust, Presence, and Better Thinking with Dan Hoffman

In this episode, we sit down with Dan Hoffman—founder, CEO, and president of Circl.es—to unpack the surprising truth behind real leadership growth: it happens in small circles, not big rooms. Dan traces his path from building M5 Networks and navigating a tough public-company chapter, to a life-changing sabbatical in Barcelona that reframed how he thinks about success.He introduces a simple but powerful idea: small, curated peer forums help people live and lead better. We explore why five to ten diverse peers, structured conversations, professional facilitation, and a hybrid cadence anchored by in-person retreats consistently outperform traditional corporate learning. Dan breaks down how Circle Space uses data, design, and psychological safety to scale authentic connection—echoing research like Google’s Project Aristotle on trust, equal airtime, and vulnerability.Beyond the frameworks, Dan opens up about how forums shaped his own choices, taught him to listen more than speak, and strengthened him as a leader, partner, and human. If you’ve ever wondered whether a peer forum could help you grow—or what it feels like to sit in a truly safe circle—this conversation might be your invitation.If you enjoy the episode, follow the show, share it with someone who leads teams, and leave a quick review to help bring more leaders into circles where growth becomes a habit.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

November 6, 202549 min

How Peer Mentorship Transforms Founders And Startup Communities with Brad Feld

What if the cure for founder loneliness isn’t more hustle, but better peers and a new way to mentor? Brad Feld joins us to map the journey from scrappy software shop to mentor-driven ecosystems, sharing how a bootstrapped mindset, structured forums, and a “give first” philosophy can reshape an entire career. You’ll hear about the origin of “We Suck Less,” why owning the full customer experience created trust, and how one room of candid founders at YEO turned isolation into momentum.We unpack the mechanics of forum and why it works: monthly cadence, strict attendance, and a clear flow from updates to deep dives to questions to lived-experience reflections. Brad explains the crucial shift from giving advice to speaking from experience—an approach that lowers ego, invites equality, and helps the presenter uncover root causes rather than chase symptoms. He also shares how these ideas helped shape Techstars, from the early mentor-driven accelerator model to David Cohen’s Mentor Manifesto, a set of principles that encourages curiosity, presence, and practical generosity without turning mentorship into a transaction.The conversation broadens into startup communities and the Give First philosophy: put energy into the system without predefining return, and watch value compound over time in unexpected ways. Brad connects these dots with stories from the dot-com crash to global programs that democratized entrepreneurship. And he leaves us with a grounding mantra from a trusted mentor: “They can’t kill you and they can’t eat you.” It’s a sharp reminder that perspective fuels resilience.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

October 16, 202536 min

Profit, People, and Purpose: Danielle’s Playbook for Building Big

Danielle Mulvey's entrepreneurial journey begins in Nashville, where early roots shaped her Maverick mindset. From founding her first agency to taking risks that most would shy away from, she carved her own path with bold decisions and relentless drive. That spirit would ultimately fuel her transition from scrappy beginnings to leading multiple companies valued at over $50 million—all while working just ten hours a week.A defining lesson came from the infamous “Larry” mishire, which taught Danielle the cost of compromising on talent. Out of that experience grew her unwavering standard for five-star employees, backed by objective assessments and scorecards instead of traditional resumes. This shift not only elevated her team’s performance but also transformed company culture, margins, and her own time freedom.Her discipline didn’t stop at people—it extended to money. Adopting Profit First gave Danielle financial clarity, stronger partnerships, and the ability to scale without chaos. Pairing this with daily huddles kept her teams aligned, accountable, and agile, enabling fast course corrections that protected momentum and morale. Mapping ideal weeks became another tool to accelerate onboarding and embed focus into daily operations.Looking ahead, Danielle is doubling down on her mission to revolutionize hiring. With Five-Star Central, she envisions replacing resume-driven roulette with smarter, skills-based matching that could one day unseat Indeed. Along the way, mentors, peer forums, and collaborations with leaders like Mike Michalowicz (on All In) have sharpened her strategies. Danielle’s story is a playbook on scaling smarter—proving that the right people, processes, and priorities can create extraordinary results with far less grind.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.

October 2, 202527 min

Consensus, Courage, and the Quiet Power of Knowing the Room with Stephanie Ford

What if the soft stuff is actually the hardest—and most valuable—work leaders do? We sit down with Stephanie Ford, director at Warren Whitney and IFO-certified facilitator, to explore how a career built on banking rigor, board governance, and deep facilitation turns messy conversations into decisive progress. Stephanie shares how early years in commercial banking taught her to see the whole system—operations, financials, risk, and relationships—and why that end-to-end perspective makes strategic planning and succession work sharper and more humane.We walk through her pivot from saying “no” in a regulated world to saying “yes” as a consultant who helps leaders think. You’ll hear tangible facilitation moves: one-on-ones to map the room, explicit trade-offs to unclog decisions, and a conductor’s mindset to manage pace, voices, and depth. She opens up about mentors, including the late John Steele, and the boardroom lessons that only show up when organizations hit turbulence—how consensus is built before meetings, why agendas must guard strategy time, and when to slow down so teams can actually align.Rooted in Richmond and renewed by the river, Stephanie credits faith, partnership, and constant learning for the steadiness required to guide complex groups. From privately held companies and family businesses to nonprofits, her throughline is consistent: clear thinking precedes smart action. If you care about strategic planning, succession planning, board governance, and the craft of facilitation, this conversation offers a toolkit and a mindset you can use on Monday morning.Please visit www.internationalfacilitatorsorganization.com to learn more about Mo Fathelbab and International Facilitators Organization (IFO), a leading provider of facilitators and related group facilitation services, providing training, certification, marketing services, education, and community for peer group facilitators at all stages of their career.