The Defuse Podcast: Risk in Private and Public Life

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Prominence brings risks most people never have to think about. Some involve harmful behaviour, such as stalking by a fixated follower or harassment by a former employee with a grievance. Others are less visible: the wrong hire, the pressure a family carries in private, a child growing up with a known surname, or governance that never caught up with the wealth. In each episode, Philip Grindell talks to someone who handles these issues for a living, from investigators and psychologists to recruiters, lawyers and family governance advisers. Together they look at how to prevent problems and how to address the ones that have already started. If you look after someone whose name opens doors, or the name is yours, this is for you.

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November 7, 20261 hr 1 min

What does enough mean? Catherine Grum on family governance

Most families with significant wealth build the structure first (the trust, the companies, eventually a family office). Catherine Grum's work usually starts with the people those structures are meant to serve, and whether they can actually live with them. Catherine advises entrepreneurs, families and family offices on governance, succession and preparing the next generation. She began her career drafting trusts at Allen & Overy, then advised entrepreneurs at Barclays Wealth, led the private office at Salamanca Group and headed family office services at KPMG; she has also advised families at BDO. She now runs her own consultancy, with clients in the UK, the Middle East and Africa. Philip asks her what governance means once you step outside the boardroom. Shareholders in a listed company can walk past each other in the street; members of a family who share wealth never chose to, and still have to get on. Catherine explains why a family charter carries no legal force and still matters, why one copied from another family ends up in a drawer, and why a founder who drops into meetings unannounced makes a family office hard to staff. Much of the conversation turns on the people at the edges of the structure. Catherine talks about the heir who wants to become an artist, and why a clear exit route (her valve on the pressure cooker) makes it less likely anyone will use it. She explains why treating a spouse as a risk tends to produce the very problem the family fears. On privacy, she warns that telling young people to say nothing can leave them isolated; one inheritor she knows went to sign documents for a family transaction without telling their partner where they were going. Advisers will recognise her closing point. Every profession reads risk through its own lens. One family's lawyers built a structure that was very robust on asset protection; the family's own concern was having no say over how the money was invested. Catherine's question for every family is a simple one: what does enough mean? Mentioned in this episode The Myth of the Silver Spoon by Kristin Keffeler. Catherine's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catherinegrum/ Website: https://www.catherinegrum.com/ Defuse News, our weekly newsletter, comes out every Monday. https://www.defuseglobal.com/newsletter/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

October 12, 20261 hr 6 min

Understanding Behaviour, Preventing Violence | Dr Karie Gibson

Recognising concerning behaviour is only the beginning. Understanding what it means, and deciding how to respond, is where prevention starts. In this episode of The Defuse Podcast, Philip Grindell joins Dr Karie Gibson, a psychologist, former FBI special agent and former head of the FBI’s Behavioral Threat Assessment Center, for a conversation about profiling, targeted violence and the practical work of threat management. Drawing on her experience investigating and assessing complex cases, Karie explains what profiling involves, where its limits lie, and how assumptions can lead us to overlook the behaviour that matters. They explore why mental illness alone is a poor guide to understanding violence, how grievances can develop into fixation, and what the pathway to violence can help us recognise. The conversation also covers online threats, the distinction between “hunters and howlers”, and “leakage”, when someone reveals violent thoughts or intent to others. Karie discusses why families, friends and colleagues may notice changes first, and what can stop them from raising concerns. Above all, this is a conversation about acting on an assessment. Karie shares how connection, purpose, practical support and carefully tailored interventions can help move someone away from violence. For anyone concerned about someone’s behaviour, or responsible for protecting others, this episode offers a clearer way to think about the concern and the next step. About Dr Karie Gibson Dr Karie A. Gibson is a licensed psychologist, former FBI special agent and certified FBI profiler who served as Unit Chief of the FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit responsible for the Behavioral Threat Assessment Center (BTAC). Her career spans more than 20 years of assessing concerning behaviour, managing threats and helping prevent targeted violence. She has worked on hundreds of cases involving people of concern, responded to mass casualty events and led post-attack analyses to understand offenders’ motivations and behaviour. Before joining the FBI, Karie served as a psychologist in the United States Air Force and conducted court-ordered forensic psychological assessments in Washington State. She has trained more than 50,000 people across law enforcement, government, education, healthcare and the private sector. Through Twin Oaks Consulting, LLC, Karie now helps organisations assess and manage threats, develop behavioural threat assessment and management programmes, and respond to concerns involving insider risk, high-risk employee departures, reputational threats and workplace safety. Her approach combines psychological knowledge with practical experience of investigating threats and putting prevention plans into action. Find out more and connect with Karie: Website: https://www.drkariegibson.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karie-gibson-psy-d-lp-62666b22b/ The views expressed in this episode are Karie’s own and do not represent the FBI or any government agency. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

March 10, 2026Episode 4850 min

High Trust, High Stakes, Human Risk Inside Family Offices with Mark Somers

High Trust, High Stakes, Human Risk Inside Family Offices with Mark Somers In this episode, Philip speaks with Mark Somers, one of the most respected voices in the family office recruitment world. Mark has spent more than 20 years advising family offices, wealth managers and private banks on talent, structure and human capital. He's the author of two books on family offices and careers within the sector and sits on the Spears 500 judging panel. The conversation covers what makes a family office resilient — and what causes them to fall apart. Mark makes a compelling case that human capital, not financial capital, is the most important asset a family office possesses. Without the right people around it, the money simply evaporates. Mark Somers is the founder and director of Somers Partnership, a specialist executive search and family office consultancy established over 20 years ago. He advises family offices, wealth managers and private banks on talent, structure and human capital. Mark is the author of two books on family offices and careers within the sector, including Working for a Billionaire. He sits on the Spears 500 judging panel and is widely recognised as one of the leading global voices on human capital in private wealth. Prior to founding Somers Partnership, Mark served as a military officer. Website: somerspartnership.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-somers-spl/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

January 12, 202651 min

When Cyber Risk Becomes Personal with Lucy Burnford

In this episode of The Defuse Podcast, Philip Grindell is joined by Lucy Burnford, founder of coc00n, a specialist cyber security firm protecting high-risk individuals, families, and senior leaders from targeted digital threats. Lucy works at the sharp end of personal cyber risk, where phones, messages and trusted relationships are often the way in. coc00n focuses on people rather than systems, securing personal devices, private digital lives, and the grey area where work and home overlap. Their team includes former UK government cyber specialists who once protected sensitive national assets and now apply that experience to private clients. The conversation explores how cyber threats really start, why successful people often underestimate personal risk, and how digital compromise can quickly turn into reputational, psychological, or real-world harm. This is a grounded discussion about judgement, habits, and trust — and what genuinely helps people feel safer. Bio Lucy Burnford, Chief Executive Officer, coc00n Lucy is the CEO at coc00n. She works with a team of former GCHQ cyber security and digital privacy experts to deliver proactive, unrivalled cyber security with absolute discretion and privacy. She works closely with high value clients, and their advisors, to bridge the gap between technical requirements and practical solutions, combining her ability to understand consumers of premium services alongside cyber expertise. https://coc00n.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucyburnford/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

November 11, 20251 hr 13 min

Policing, Politics and Prejudice – A Conversation with Neil Basu QPM

In this compelling and straight-talking episode, Philip sits down with Neil Basu QPM , one of the UK’s most respected and outspoken former senior police leaders. Neil shares the lessons, frustrations, and hard truths from over 30 years in policing — from the Stephen Lawrence inquiry to counter-terrorism, leadership under political pressure, and the moral challenges of modern policing. They discuss racism within the system, the dangers of disinformation, and the human cost of service. Neil also opens up about life after leaving the Met, his book Turmoil , and why courage and compassion are vital to real leadership. 🧭 Key Topics Covered Institutional Racism & Leadership Fear – Why acknowledging it is the only path to trust. Counter-Terrorism & Radicalisation – Lone actors, online grooming, and the threat from the far right. Politics & Policing – When public service collides with political convenience. The Human Cost of Service – How policing impacts families and communities. Leadership Lessons – Neil’s mantra: “Be quick, be competent, and be compassionate.” Life After the Met – From frontline leadership to mentoring, writing, and podcasting. 📚 About Neil Basu QPM Neil Basu served as Assistant Commissioner for Specialist Operations at the Metropolitan Police, leading UK Counter-Terrorism Policing . Known for his integrity and willingness to challenge the status quo, he’s been at the heart of some of Britain’s most complex policing and national security operations. He is the author of Turmoil: The Official Autobiography – 30 Years of Policing, Politics and Prejudice — a raw and insightful account of his career and the challenges of reforming British policing. Neil also co-hosts the Crime Agents Podcast with crime journalist Andy Hughes, offering honest commentary and insight into crime, justice, and law enforcement today. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

October 7, 202559 min

The Omnipresence of Fear: Understanding Stalker Psychology with Kerry Daynes

This episode features forensic psychologist Kerry Daynes discussing her 25-year career and expertise in stalking behaviour. Kerry transitioned from advertising plans to forensic psychology after university, despite being told it was "no job for a girl." She trained through the NHS rather than the typical prison service route. Key Professional Insights: Kerry advocates for "rational compassion" - maintaining realistic risk assessments whilst treating individuals with dignity. She argues against forcing people into neat psychological categories, emphasising that everyone requires individual understanding. Stalking vs Harassment: Stalking involves deeper fixation and obsession than harassment. Stalkers gather unnecessary information and seek proximity to victims. The UK recognises five stalker types: rejected (highest violence risk), intimacy-seeking, incompetent suitors, resentful, and predatory stalkers. Risk Assessment Problems: The widely-used DASH risk assessment tool lacks scientific validity despite being standard across UK police forces. This "quick and dirty" approach fails because it attempts to assess domestic abuse, stalking, and honour-based abuse with one inadequate tool. Personal Experience: Kerry shares her own stalking experience, describing the victim's sense of "omnipresence" - feeling unsafe everywhere. Victims typically shrink their lives and experience hypervigilance, which others often dismiss as paranoia. Societal Issues: Popular culture romanticises stalking through films like Beauty and the Beast and Twilight. Social media and data oversharing have made stalking easier while creating unrealistic expectations about pursuing romantic interests. https://www.linkedin.com/in/kerry-daynes-aa8b5740/ https://www.instagram.com/kerrydaynespsychologist/?hl=en Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

July 15, 202537 min

The Attack Cycle with James Hamilton Part 2

Send us a text In this compelling two-part episode, Philip Grindell welcomes back security expert James Hamilton to explore the "attack cycle" - a proven model used by criminals, terrorists, and assassins to target victims. Following the high-profile New York CEO assassination, Hamilton breaks down the eight critical phases: target selection, surveillance, final target selection, planning, rehearsal, execution, escape, and exploitation. The discussion reveals how attackers methodically progress through each stage and, crucially, how executive protection teams can identify and disrupt these phases. Hamilton shares practical insights on surveillance detection, threat assessment, and creating flexible security programs that balance protection with client accessibility. BIO James is a nationally recognized personal security expert and former FBI Supervisory Special Agent. For more than 33 years, he has been a protector, trainer, and advisor to the nation’s most at-risk individuals. He has real, practical, and unparalleled experience in executive protection, violence prevention, and personal security. This real experience was earned through service in local law enforcement, the FBI, and America’s premiere executive protection firm. He has protected government officials, high-net-worth individuals, and leading religious figures all over the globe and has empowered thousands of individuals to stay safe in an increasingly dangerous world. He has dedicated his life to this particular area of expertise and is sought after by those seeking practical and sound guidance. https://www.hamiltonsecuritygroup.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-hamilton-752894104/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Follow me on X /Twitter Connect with me on LinkedIn Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

July 1, 202529 min

The Attack Cycle with James Hamilton Part 1

In this compelling two-part episode, Philip Grindell welcomes back security expert James Hamilton to explore the "attack cycle" - a proven model used by criminals, terrorists, and assassins to target victims. Following the high-profile New York CEO assassination, Hamilton breaks down the eight critical phases: target selection, surveillance, final target selection, planning, rehearsal, execution, escape, and exploitation. The discussion reveals how attackers methodically progress through each stage and, crucially, how executive protection teams can identify and disrupt these phases. Hamilton shares practical insights on surveillance detection, threat assessment, and creating flexible security programs that balance protection with client accessibility. BIO James is a nationally recognized personal security expert and former FBI Supervisory Special Agent. For more than 33 years, he has been a protector, trainer, and advisor to the nation’s most at-risk individuals. He has real, practical, and unparalleled experience in executive protection, violence prevention, and personal security. This real experience was earned through service in local law enforcement, the FBI, and America’s premiere executive protection firm. He has protected government officials, high-net-worth individuals, and leading religious figures all over the globe and has empowered thousands of individuals to stay safe in an increasingly dangerous world. He has dedicated his life to this particular area of expertise and is sought after by those seeking practical and sound guidance. https://www.hamiltonsecuritygroup.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-hamilton-752894104/ Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

June 2, 202558 min

When Crisis Hits: The Real Cost of Getting Reputation Wrong

When Crisis Hits: The Real Cost of Getting Reputation Wrong This week's Defuse Podcast featured Heather Blundell (CEO, Grayling UK) and James Clothier (Head of Crisis) discussing how reputation management has become essential protection. Key insights: Most crisis failures stem from human behaviour under pressure, not poor messaging. Female executives face different reputation attacks requiring specific strategies. Social media breaks stories before traditional media responds. Video responses are replacing written statements as authenticity matters more than polish. Heather revealed that proactive reputation management creates a competitive advantage, not just damage limitation. The conversation covers timing challenges, the importance of an external perspective, and why lawyers often make statements worse by stripping out emotion. They discuss how social media has transformed crisis response - young people get news from Snapchat, stories break on Twitter first, and video content is becoming essential. The practical advice focuses on being honest, letting the light in, and demonstrating genuine change rather than just promising to "learn lessons." Heather Blundell’s Biography: Heather is the award-winning UK CEO of Grayling, a global PR firm, responsible for 200 employees across nine offices. She has spent more than 16 years as a trusted adviser to some of the world's largest companies and prominent CEOs, guiding them through periods of significant change, disruption, and complex reputation and crisis issues. Heather is also a regular media commentator in the national media. James Clothier James is Head of Crisis at Grayling UK, responsible for leading the crisis and reputation practice, alongside the firm's corporate division. Before joining Grayling, James spent two decades in senior editorial positions at The Sun and the Daily Mail. https://grayling.com/ #ThreatIntelligence #CrisisManagement #ReputationRisk #ExecutiveProtection #CorporateSecurity #StrategicCommunications Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn

May 13, 202539 min

OSINT Part 2 - The Digital Lens Into Personal Security with Jon BlakeUntitled Episode

OSINT Part 2 - The Digital Lens Into Personal Security with Jon Blake In the second part, Philip and Jon delve deeper into technical aspects of OSINT and digital security: - VPNs (Virtual Private Networks): They discuss how VPNs create secure, encrypted connections through virtual "tunnels" and their benefits for security, particularly when using public Wi-Fi. They also address limitations, including potential impacts on speed and some websites detecting and blocking VPN access. - The security risks of public Wi-Fi networks, with Jon recommending always using a VPN when connecting to hotel, airport, or other public networks. - Using OSINT for due diligence, including understanding a person's "digital footprint" (information they know about and control) versus their "digital shadow" (information they may not be aware of, like data breaches). - Techniques for conducting effective searches, including using Google Advanced Search rather than basic searches, and applying filters strategically. - The challenges of images online, including metadata that can reveal sensitive information like location data, and the use of reverse image search technology. - The emerging role of AI and automation in OSINT investigations, with Jon cautioning that while AI tools can be helpful, they need human verification and should be used carefully. - Deep fakes and their security implications, particularly for high-profile individuals and organizations, with Jon emphasizing the need for verification processes and code words as potential safeguards. The podcast concludes with Jon highlighting his company's training programs and customizable "cyber investigator pathway" courses available through Cyber Ops Global. Support the show Subscribe to 'Defuse News', our weekly update of the week's events on our website . Connect with me on LinkedIn