The Courageous Leaders Podcast

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The Courageous Leaders Podcast aims to inspire leaders to step into their courageous zone, be the leader they know they can be and discover the mindset skills and behaviours to take their leadership to the next level. So listen in, get inspired on how you can grow your leadership impact. Leave a legacy you can be proud of, and build an environment for future leaders to thrive. Who is Joanna Howes? Joanna Howes is an award-winning international coach, behavioural expert, specialising in leadership and performance coaching and No 1 best selling international co-author. Her focus is to help individuals and teams activate their full potential, so they can step into their courageous zone to maximise their influence, build their resilience and take the action needed to become high performers and future-ready leaders. Joanna is a unique phenomenon within her industry, with over 20 years’ experience working internationally with some of the world's most awarded advertising agencies and leading them to operational and leadership success. Her blend of both innovative operational and transformative change solutions empowers organisations to create environments that are supportive and fearless for their employees. Website: https://thechangecreators.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@courageousleaderspodcast IG: https://www.instagram.com/the.changecreators/ Podcast IG: https://www.instagram.com/courageous_leaders/ Newsletter: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

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June 11, 2026Episode 19857 min

Esther Marshall on Grief, High Achievement, Emotional Resilience & Holding It All Together

Some people don’t just achieve, they achieve as though their life depends on it. In this deeply honest episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I sit down with Esther Marshall, former global gender diversity leader at Unilever and founder of Sophie Says, to ask a question so many of us avoid: who are you when achievement isn’t enough?This is a conversation about grief, high achievement, emotional resilience, and the pressure of holding everything together when life refuses to cooperate. Esther shares her story with extraordinary openness: losing her sister Rebecca to suicide, caring for grandparents through Alzheimer’s, a miscarriage during IVF, and losing her mother to pancreatic cancer, all while building a business and refusing to stop proving herself. It is also the story of the breakthrough that finally let her stop failing quietly and start succeeding loudly. If you have ever tied your worth to what you achieve, this one will stay with you.If you or someone you know is affected by anything discussed in this episode, you can contact Samaritans free, 24/7, on 116 123 or at samaritans.org.What We Cover:00:00 Intro01:30 Why "High Achiever" Can Tip Into "Never Enough"04:41 Climbing the Ladder at Unilever, and Being "Hard to Manage"10:14 Leading a Team When Your Standards Are Sky High11:37 The Maternity Leave Project That Became Sophie Says14:29 Losing Rebecca to Suicide16:34 The Book Written the Night She Passed Away20:21 The Rainbow, and Learning to Let People In21:29 Carrying a Legacy, and the Weight That Comes With It23:08 Alzheimer's, and Grief That Wouldn't Stop24:18 IVF, Miscarriage, and Learning to Keep Going25:48 The "Miracle" Baby, and a Mother's Pancreatic Cancer Diagnosis30:13 Why She Chose to Run a Marathon the Day Her Mum Died34:52 The Therapy Breakthrough That Changed Everything38:46 "I'm Failing Quietly, but I Want to Succeed Loudly"41:00 Building Sophie Says Into a Movement for Generational Change48:53 Learning to Walk Before Running Again50:13 A Message for Anyone Sitting in Fear, Ready to Begin51:40 What Courage Really Means to EstherKey Reflections:• Why high achievement can quietly become a form of self-harm• Why grief isn't something you "get over," and why returning to normal too quickly often makes healing harder• How to separate your self-worth from your achievements and results• Why asking for help is a sign of strength, not weakness• How changing the way you frame a failure can completely reshape your life• Why children need emotionally safe parents, not perfect onesEsther’s honesty is a reminder that courage isn’t the absence of pain, it’s getting up and showing up through it. If this episode moves you, I’d love to hear your biggest takeaway in the comments.Find out more about Sophie Says: https://www.sophiesaysofficial.com/Follow Esther Masrshall:Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sophiesaysofficial/TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thegrievingfounder👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

June 4, 2026Episode 1974 min

Why a ‘C’ in your Title Doesn’t Automatically Make You an Executive Leader | Leadership Coach Joanna Howes

Why are so many executive teams underperforming?In this solo episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I break down the biggest leadership mistakes I see inside executive teams today, from social loafing and siloed thinking to oversized leadership teams and “Game of Thrones” behaviour at the top of organisations.I explore why executive leadership is about far more than titles, why leadership teams must operate collectively instead of protecting departments, and why CEOs need the courage to reshape teams when they are no longer serving the business.If your leadership team feels political, disconnected, slow, or overly comfortable, this episode will challenge how you think about executive leadership.What We Cover:00:00 – Why executive teams lose effectiveness00:52 – Why titles do not equal executive leadership01:24 – The danger of oversized executive teams02:24 – Executive teams acting like working groups02:42 – “Game of Thrones” leadership behaviour explained03:07 – Why the executive team must become the first team03:52 – Why CEOs need the courage to challenge comfortKey Leadership Insights• Executive teams shape what becomes acceptable in company culture• Leadership titles do not automatically create leadership capability• High-performing executive teams think collectively, not territorially• Oversized leadership teams slow down decision-making and accountability• CEOs must be willing to challenge comfort and restructure leadership teams• The behaviour at the top becomes the standard for the entire companyReflection Questions for Leaders• Is my executive team truly operating as one team?• Where are politics or silos damaging decision-making?• Have titles become more important than impact?• What difficult leadership change am I avoiding right now?🎧 Listen to the full episode for the best practical leadership coaching:https://thecourageousleaderspodcast.buzzsprout.com/🚀 Ready to elevate your team and leadership? Book time for transformative coaching and training:Website: https://www.thechangecreators.comLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/👍 Stay inspired – subscribe, leave a comment, and help us build a community of courageous leaders across the UK.→ Want honest leadership insights in your inbox?👉 Sign up to the newsletter: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54#ExecutiveLeadership #LeadershipTeam #CompanyCulture #CEO #CourageousLeaders👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

May 21, 2026Episode 19656 min

Rory Sutherland on Leadership, Courage & Unconventional Thinking

We often hear the ideas of great thinkers, but rarely get to understand how they actually think or who they are as people.In this episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I am joined by Rory Sutherland, President Emeritus of Ogilvy UK, best-selling author, and one of the most influential voices in advertising, behavioural science, and decision-making.If you’ve ever wondered why some ideas take off and others die fast, why the little things in business matter more than you think, or how to rethink productivity for your team, you’ll find something practical and eye-opening in this conversation. We cut through business theory and get honest about human behaviour, team culture, and leadership decisions that work in the real world.You’ll come away with new ways to look at decision-making, organisational performance, and what it takes to lead bravely in uncertain times, especially with the rise of AI, complexity, and shifting workplace cultures.What We Cover:00:00 Intro01:41 Dare to Be Trivial: Why Small Things Matter13:23 Leadership, Influence & The Power of Great Teachers14:50 Why Business Is Learned Through Real Experience18:03 Time, Stress & How Rory Thinks About Control24:12 Creativity, Uncertainty & Not Knowing Yet28:00 What Leaders Miss in Strategy & Collective Thinking30:17 Why Human Businesses May Win in an AI World34:51 Why Teams Fail & The Problem with Over-Measuring35:45 The Disappearance of PAs & What It Means for Leaders36:55 Redundancies & The Danger of Short-Term Thinking40:34 How Rory’s Mind Works & Why He Avoids Talking About Himself49:45 The Influence of His Mum & Understanding Human Behaviour51:22 Neurodiversity Is a Feature, Not a Bug54:24 Final Reflections & Closing ThoughtsKey Leadership Insights• Why great leaders focus on influence, not control• How creativity comes from being comfortable with uncertainty• Why measuring individuals destroys team performance• The hidden cost of short-term thinking in leadership• How silos quietly break organisations from within• Why neurodiversity is a competitive advantage, not a weakness• The courage required to back ideas others doubt• Why founder-led businesses often outperform corporatesIf you want to lead better, think differently, and understand how great leaders actually operate, this episode will challenge how you see leadership.👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

May 14, 2026Episode 1954 min

The Challenge & Care Framework for Better Leadership & Culture | Leadership Coach Joanna Howes

Is your company culture too nice to perform?In this solo episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I break down the Challenge & Care Framework and why many teams are stuck in cultures that feel good on the surface but quietly damage standards, accountability, and results.I explore the four zones every workplace can fall into: apathy, comfort, fear, and courage, and how the best teams combine high care with high challenge.Because great leadership is not about being nice or being tough. It is about creating an environment where people feel supported, challenged, and clear on what excellence looks like.If your team avoids hard conversations, lacks accountability, or feels stuck, this episode will help you identify why and what to change next.What We Cover:00:00 – Is your culture too nice to perform?00:23 – The Challenge & Care Framework explained00:33 – The Apathy Zone: low care, low challenge00:50 – The Comfort Zone: high care, low challenge01:46 – The Fear Zone: high challenge, low care02:24 – The Courage Zone: where high performance lives02:58 – What true high performance actually means03:31 – Compassionate feedback as the key skill03:44 – Start with your leadership team first04:04 – Your current zone explains your resultsReflection Questions for Leaders• Where am I over-helping instead of empowering?• What am I still controlling that I should let go?• Which conversation am I avoiding right now?• Where have I been indirect instead of honest?👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

May 7, 2026Episode 19454 min

Why We Need to Talk About Death, Sex & Money More Than Ever | Charlotte Pearce

Why do we avoid talking about sex, death, and money when they shape so much of our lives?In this episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I am joined by Charlotte Pearce, an award-winning entrepreneur, speaker, and CEO & Founder of Inkpact, who is reinventing direct mail into a future-facing medium rooted in human connection and behavioural science.From leading 150 people at just 19 to building a business through uncertainty, motherhood, loss, and reinvention, Charlotte’s journey is a powerful lesson in leadership and life.In this conversation, we explore growth, confidence, self-expression, and why even the strongest leaders need support. Her story is one of resilience, courage, and turning life’s biggest challenges into opportunities for growth.We Cover:00:00 – Introduction01:00 – Charlotte’s early influences and entrepreneurial mindset05:20 – Leading 150 people at 19 years old09:00 – Building Inkpact and creating a new category10:30 – Leadership lessons, humility, and evolving as a founder12:00 – Why every leader needs coaches, mentors, and support13:50 – Crisis year: motherhood, business pressure, and cashflow stress16:00 – Family loss, grief, and holding everything together20:20 – Why we need to talk more about death21:30 – Why sex, money, and hard conversations matter24:40 – Sexuality, confidence, and female self-expression28:50 – Money mindset, ambition, and owning success32:30 – The surrender experiment and letting go of control36:00 – Burnout, stress, and protecting your energy39:00 – Comparison, identity, and success on your own terms45:00 – Courage to be yourself and change direction48:00 – Letting go, having fun again, and final reflectionsIf you are navigating change, building something meaningful, or ready to stop shrinking yourself, this conversation will stay with you.👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

April 30, 2026Episode 1937 min

How to Know If You Are Emotionally Fit as a Leader | Leadership Coach Joanna Howes

Most leaders are never trained in how to manage their emotions.In this solo episode, I break down emotional fitness and why it plays a critical role in leadership, decision-making, and performance. When emotions take over, we react instead of respond, avoid difficult conversations, and make decisions driven by fear rather than values.I explore the difference between emotionally fit and emotionally unfit leadership, along with practical ways to build awareness, regulate emotions, and lead with clarity under pressure.If you want to improve how you show up as a leader, this is a skill you can’t afford to ignore.What We Cover: 00:00 Introduction: The skill leaders aren’t trained in 01:00 Why emotions override logic 01:30 What emotional fitness really means 02:10 Emotionally fit vs unfit leaders 03:00 Reacting vs responding 03:40 Common emotional patterns (fear, defensiveness) 04:20 Making decisions from values vs emotions 05:10 Building awareness and catching reactions 05:40 Labelling emotions and shifting state 06:10 Practical tools to regulate emotions 06:40 Emotional fitness and leadership under pressure 07:00 Final takeawayReflection Questions for Leaders• Where am I reacting instead of responding?• What emotion is driving my recent decisions?• Where am I avoiding tension instead of addressing it?• What would it look like to lead from my values instead of fear?#Leadership #EmotionalIntelligence #ModernLeadership #CourageousLeaders👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

April 23, 2026Episode 1921 hr 7 min

How Narcissistic Traits Show Up in Leaders (And Why It Matters) - Kathleen Saxton

What if the way you understand people is incomplete?In this episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I am joined by Kathleen Saxton, Psychotherapist, Executive Coach, and Best-Selling Author, to explore the psychology behind behaviour, leadership, and one of the most misunderstood traits, narcissism.This conversation goes beyond labels.From how narcissism actually shows up in men and women, to identity, emotional patterns, and leadership blind spots, this episode challenges how we interpret people, power, and performance.Because often, what we think is happening is not the full picture.If you want to better understand human behaviour, navigate complex personalities, and become more self-aware as a leader, this episode will shift your perspective.What We Cover:00:00 – Trailer02:00 – The Courage to Walk Away from Toxic Situations04:10 – Why People Stay in Toxic Jobs & Relationships07:30 – Trauma, Therapy & Personal Backstory10:15 – Narcissistic Relationships & Validation Trap12:00 – What Narcissism Really Looks Like14:10 – Narcissism: Traits vs Personality Disorder18:00 – How Narcissists Manipulate & Control You21:10 – The Dark Triad Explained22:30 – Why Narcissists Become Leaders26:15 – Why Companies Protect Toxic High Performers31:40 – How to Handle a Narcissistic Boss43:20 – Covert vs Grandiose Narcissists47:10 – Can Narcissists Change?50:10 – Are Narcissists Good Leaders?58:00 – Character vs Performance in Leadership01:05:00 – Final Advice: Protect Yourself & Your IntegrityThis is not just about understanding others.It is about understanding how you lead and show up.👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

April 16, 2026Episode 1918 min

Power Moves You Must Know As a Leader | Leadership Coach Joanna Howes

Power is always present in leadership… whether you realise it or not.In my work with leadership teams, I see how often power shows up in ways people don’t talk about.Not in obvious or intentional ways, but in the small moments.Who speaks first.Whose opinion carries weight.What gets challenged… and what gets left unsaid.In this episode, I break down the four ways power shows up inside executive teams, and how these patterns can quietly shape your culture, your decisions, and your results.From dominance and control, to holding back and avoiding challenge, these dynamics are happening in every team… whether you’re aware of them or not.This isn’t about removing power.It’s about understanding how you’re using it.Because the moment you can see it, you can change it. 00:00 How power shows up in your leadership00:33 Where power shows up in executive teams01:00 Why avoiding power creates problems01:40 Power over when control takes over02:35 The impact of shutting down discussion03:23 When performance hides poor behaviour03:46 Power under when leaders stop speaking up04:38 The illusion of alignment in teams05:06 Power with working as a collective05:34 Power within building self trust as a leader06:01 How pressure shifts leadership behaviour06:26 Why people stop speaking up across the business06:50 Three shifts to change how power is used07:42 Why strong teams don’t avoid tension08:08 Final reflection on how power is really being usedThis Episode Explores• Power dynamics in leadership teams• Executive team behaviour and decision making• Psychological safety and speaking up• Leadership self awareness• Managing dominance and control• Building stronger team alignment• Creating healthier leadership culturesReflection Questions for Leaders• Where might I be using control instead of creating space for others• When do I hold back instead of speaking up• How do I react when I’m challenged• What is the impact of my behaviour on the teamIf this episode makes you pause or reflect, that’s where the real work starts.Leadership isn’t about removing pressure or power.It’s about understanding how you show up within it.👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

April 9, 2026Episode 19051 min

Elite Leadership Lessons from Former Military Leaders | Military Leaders Panel Edition

What does leadership look like when everything is on the line?In this episode of The Courageous Leaders Podcast, I’m joined by three extraordinary leaders, Mandy Hickson, former RAF fast jet pilot, Mark Fetters, Bomb Disposal Squadron Commander, and Rob Keeping, former military professional turned Managing Director.From being shot at mid-air, to leading bomb disposal missions, to making high-stakes decisions under extreme pressure, this is leadership in its rawest form.This isn’t theory. This is what leadership looks like when failure isn’t an option.We explore what courage really means, why fear is part of the process, how elite teams are built, and what modern leaders are getting wrong when it comes to burnout, performance, and growth.If you’re leading a team, building a business, or navigating uncertainty, this conversation will challenge how you think, act, and show up.What We Cover:00:00 – Trailer01:07 – Why This Military Leadership Panel Is Different01:28 – What Courage REALLY Means (Not What You Think)03:32 – Courage Isn’t the Absence of Fear05:26 – Bomb Disposal Mindset: Confidence vs Caution08:02 – Fear of Failure: Military vs Corporate Reality11:46 – Leading a War Mission as a Junior13:07 – Shot at by a Missile… Then the Mission Changed16:24 – “Only Do What Only You Can Do”19:00 – Why Relying on an A-Team Will Kill Your Company25:22 – The 80% Rule (Peak Performance Without Burnout)27:05 – Burnout, Stress & Why Leaders Are Breaking Today34:03 – Failure, Rejection & Becoming a Fighter Pilot45:30 – Final Reflections & Leadership Takeaways51:30 – Final Message & Closing ThoughtsLeadership isn’t about having all the answers.It’s about how you show up when it matters most.👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54

April 2, 2026Episode 1895 min

Are You a Toxic Leader Without Realising? | Leadership Coach Joanna Howes

Are you leading your team… or unknowingly holding them back?In my work as a leadership coach, I’ve seen how easy it is for well-intentioned leaders to fall into toxic patterns, without even realising it.In this episode, I break down the subtle behaviours that quietly build into toxic leadership. The ones that don’t look harmful on the surface, but over time, create dependency, frustration, and disengagement within your team.From being the “fixer” to micromanaging, avoiding conflict, or slipping into passive aggression, these are patterns I’ve seen in countless leaders… and ones I’ve had to confront in myself too.This is not about blame.It’s about awareness.Because the moment you can see it, you can change it.00:00 – Are you a toxic leader without realising it?00:40 – The toxic leadership pyramid explained01:10 – The “fixer” trap: helping vs control02:00 – Why micromanagement limits your team02:50 – Avoiding conflict and the need to be liked03:40 – Passive aggression and emotional awareness04:30 – When toxicity turns into bullying05:00 – How to recognise and shift these behavioursThis Episode Explores:• Toxic leadership behaviours• Micromanagement and control patterns• Emotional intelligence in leadership• Workplace bullying awareness• Leadership self-awareness• Building empowered teams• Breaking unconscious habitsReflection Questions for Leaders• Where am I over-helping instead of empowering?• What am I still controlling that I should let go? • Which conversation am I avoiding right now?• Where have I been indirect instead of honest?If this episode feels uncomfortable, that’s a sign you’re paying attention.Leadership isn’t about being perfect.It’s about being aware enough to do better.👍 Stay inspired by joining our YouTube community! Click the link, hit the subscribe button, leave a comment, and never miss an episode. Your support helps us empower courageous leaders like you!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2kZ-x8fDHKEVb222qpQ_NQ🚀 Elevate Your Leadership:Book a call for transformative leadership and team coaching:Website: https://thechangecreators.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joannahowes/ → Join our newsletter for courageous leadership insights and advice. 👉 Subscribe here: https://the-change-creators.kit.com/1a5f3c9e54