The Art of Growth

Hosted by Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

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Oct 2026

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The Art of Growth started by Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman works with teams to develop Team Health and individuals for self-mastery and social awareness. We are an IEA (International Enneagram Association) school for Enneagram Certification. With organizations, we have a detailed roadmap to change the culture of your team and improve communication, conflict, trust, and personality

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October 27, 20261 hr 0 min

Beatrice Chestnut on What Actually Works

Beatrice Chestnut, PhD, is a psychotherapist, executive coach, and author who has worked with the Enneagram for more than 30 years. She wrote The Complete Enneagram , The 9 Types of Leadership , and The Enneagram Guide to Waking Up . She works with organizations from start-ups to Fortune 100 companies and is accredited with distinction by the International Enneagram Association. Learn more at https://www.beatricechestnut.com The Art of Growth: Discover Your Type HERE. Enneagram Certification Cohort 2027 HERE. Book with any of our coaches HERE. www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. © The Art of Growth ™ 2025 Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

October 20, 20261 hr 17 min

Revisit- Beatrice Chestnut- Instincts 2019

"The Art of Growth" is an organization that does coaching, corporate training, and this podcast. Check out our work and keep in touch at www.theartofgrowth.org to find out more about our work and our upcoming online test. Email us thoughts and questions! This Episode Features Beatrice Chestnut! One of the most authoritative voices and thought leaders in the modern Enneagram movement , Beatrice Chestnut has been studying and working with the enneagram for 27 years, since she learned about the system from pioneering Enneagram expert, David Daniels, MD. A licensed psychotherapist, a coach, and a business consultant, she has a Phd in communication and an MA in clinical psychology. She became active in the international Enneagram community through attending annual conferences regularly in 2002. She served on the board of directors of the International Enneagram Association (IEA) for 6 years and was president of the IEA in 2006 and 2007. Beatrice is the author of two books, The Complete Enneagram: 27 Paths to Greater Self-Awareness , and The 9 Types of Leadership: Mastering the Art of People in the 21st-Century Workplace. Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

September 8, 202642 min

Healing the Instincts

Instinct Stack test HERE. Healing The Instincts Class HERE for EARLYBIRD SPECIAL! Find out more about The Art of Growth Book with any of our coaches HERE. Find out more about Teams Training HERE. Order our book on the Instincts: HERE www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. © The Art of Growth ™ 2025 Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

September 1, 202657 min

What Everyone Gets Wrong About the Instincts

August 25, 202647 min

Enneagram at Work with Megan from A Field Middleburg

In this episode of Enneagram at Work, Joel and Jim talk with Megan Burton, owner-partner of A Field Middleburg, about how understanding her Enneagram type and instinctual stack has shaped the way she leads and builds a business. Megan shares how identifying as a Type 8 with a Hunter-Farmer-Teamer stack helped her better understand her intensity, need for autonomy, leadership style, and the kinds of people she needs around her as the company grows. The conversation also explores communication with employees, working alongside a Type One business partner, recognizing what is underneath our reactions at work, and building a company around people’s natural strengths. They also get into Megan’s philosophy around clothing, identity, sustainability, and buying fewer, better things. Learn more about Megan and A Field Middleburg: https://shopafield.com/ Instinct Stack test HERE. Find out more about The Art of Growth Book with any of our coaches HERE. Find out more about Teams Training HERE. Order our book on the Instincts: HERE www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. © The Art of Growth ™ 2025 Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

August 18, 202636 min

Enneagram at Work with Halie from Wellspring Counseling

In this episode of Enneagram at Work , Joel and Jim talk with Halie Howells, owner of Wellspring Center for Counseling , about how the Enneagram has shaped her growth as both a therapist and a business leader. Halie leads a growing counseling practice with more than 30 therapists across multiple locations. As an Enneagram 2 , Halie shares the challenge of moving from being everyone's helper and cheerleader to actually taking up the role of boss—setting clear expectations, having difficult conversations, and learning that caring for people doesn't mean doing everything for them. The conversation explores how self-awareness has helped Halie personalize the way she leads different people, build a healthier team culture, receive difficult feedback, and recognize when her own patterns could become a bottleneck for the business. She also talks about why growth has to begin with the leader: as we become more aware of ourselves, we create more room for the people around us to bring their own strengths to the table. Learn more about Halie and Wellspring Center for Counseling: https://www.wellspringcenterforcounseling.com/ Instinct Stack test HERE. Find out more about The Art of Growth Book with any of our coaches HERE. Find out more about Teams Training HERE. Order our book on the Instincts: HERE www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. © The Art of Growth ™ 2025 Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

August 12, 202640 min

Enneagram at Work- with Shawn Cook of Advocate Wealth Management

In the first episode of our Enneagram at Work series, we talk with Shawn Cook of Advocate Wealth Management about how he uses the Enneagram with clients—including how understanding a client’s instinctual stack can help inform an investment strategy that fits the way they naturally approach security, resources, risk, and relationships. About Shawn Cook Shawn is the Owner and Wealth Advisor at Advocate Wealth Management, where he helps clients build comprehensive financial plans and investment portfolios. Learn more or connect with Shawn: https://www.advocatewm.com info@advocatewm.com Instinct Stack test HERE. Find out more about The Art of Growth Book with any of our coaches HERE. Find out more about Teams Training HERE. Order our book on the Instincts: HERE Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

August 4, 202653 min

The Truth Has No Gurus

Instinct Stack test HERE. Find out more about The Art of Growth Book with any of our coaches HERE. Find out more about Teams Training HERE. Order our book on the Instincts: HERE www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. © The Art of Growth ™ 2025 Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/ Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/

July 7, 202658 min

The Instincts- How we got here and where we're going.

June 30, 202644 min

Tricia, Pam, Katie- Coach Pod

Find out more about The Art of Growth Book with any of our coaches HERE. Book with Tricia Hall Book with Pam Sutherland Book with Katie Donovan Take a free Enneagram Test HERE. Sign up for the “Your Enneagram Starting Point” course HERE. Get Enneagram Certified HERE. Find out more about Teams Training HERE. Order our book on the Instincts: HERE Set up One-on-One coaching HERE. www.theartofgrowth.org Email us your thoughts and questions! Follow us on Instagram at ArtofGrowth for more on this subject this month and let us know what you are doing. © The Art of Growth ™ 2025 Support the show https://www.theartofgrowth.org/