The Application Security Podcast

Hosted by Chris Romeo and Robert Hurlbut

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Jul 2026

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Chris Romeo and Robert Hurlbut dig into the tips, tricks, projects, and tactics that make various application security professionals successful. They cover all facets of application security, from threat modeling and OWASP to DevOps+security and security champions. They approach these stories in an educational light, explaining the details in a way those new to the discipline can understand. Chris Romeo is the CEO of Devici and a General Partner at Kerr Ventures, and Robert Hurlbut is a Principal Application Security Architect focused on Threat Modeling at Aquia.

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August 17, 2026Episode 840 min

The Future of Open-Source Threat Modeling

This episode is sponsored by Corgea. Design it. Build it. Ship it. Corgea secures it. Learn more: Corgea.com You don’t have to let AI do the thinking for you. In this episode, Vikram shares why the smartest teams use AI as an accelerant — not a replacement — and why human judgment still matters most in threat modeling. We dig into the tension among speed, compliance, and real risk, and what it means to “fight the AI” so that critical thinking stays sharp. If you care about AppSec, AI, and the future of threat modeling, this conversation will give you a lot to think about. About Corgea Corgea is an AI-native application security platform that secures software from design to production. It brings together security design reviews, AI SAST, dependency and IaC scanning, code quality checks, and autonomous pentesting — helping security and engineering teams find risk earlier, fix what matters, and ship securely. Learn more about Corgea → Corgea.com FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

July 28, 2026Episode 749 min

Isaac Evans - AppSec in the Age of AI

In this episode, we sit down with Isaac Evans, co-founder and CEO of Semgrep, to talk about how AI is reshaping application security faster than almost anyone expected. Isaac walks us through why CI is losing its place as the central security control point, replaced by deep background jobs that hunt for vulnerabilities using large models and real-time plugins that sit inside coding agents and force them to regenerate code until it meets an organization's security bar. We dig into what this means for the role of the security engineer, why customization is replacing universal rule sets, and how trust, verification, and the limits of reasoning about model behavior remain the hardest problems in the room. We also talk about vibe coding at scale, the return of business logic flaws as SQL injection becomes easier for models to catch, and why Isaac sees more opportunity than threat in this shift, even as he expects a wave of new vulnerabilities and cleanup work along the way. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

July 21, 2026Episode 852 min

José Carlos Chávez - When Museums Get Hacked: OWASP Top 10 Lessons from Heists

In this episode, we sit down with Jose Carlos Chavez from Okta to break down the OWASP Top 10 for 2025 and what actually changed since 2021. We trace Jose's path from software engineering and observability into security, dig into why broken access control still holds the number one spot despite mature tooling, and ask the question that never seems to get old: why is injection still a top five risk after decades of parameterized queries and ORMs? Jose walks us through the growing role of supply chain and software integrity failures, the surprisingly weak security posture around AI skills and agent permissions, and why immutable, reliable logging still matters as much as ever. We close on root causes that show up across nearly every category on the list and why ownership, not tooling alone, is what actually moves the needle on security. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

June 16, 2026Episode 648 min

Michael Burch - AI-Enabled Citizen Developers

AI adoption is accelerating faster than most organizations know how to handle it, and the gap between curiosity and confident use is where things go wrong. Michael Burch, VP of AI Enablement and Acceleration, joins to break down what it actually takes to move teams from "interested in AI" to using it responsibly and effectively in their day-to-day work. He shares why successful adoption depends less on the technology itself and more on trust, clear guidance, and making AI approachable for non-technical teams. Whether you are leading an AI initiative or just trying to figure out where to start, this episode is a practical look at what real adoption looks like inside organizations today. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

June 2, 2026Episode 540 min

Josh Grossman--AI & SAST: Is it a match?

AI coding tools are accelerating development fast, but they’re also exposing the limits of traditional AppSec tooling. Josh Grossman, CTO of Bounce Security and longtime AppSec consultant, joins the podcast to break down AGHAST, his new open-source security tool that combines static analysis with AI to uncover business logic flaws and authorization issues that traditional scanners miss. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

May 14, 2026Episode 445 min

Dwayne McDaniel -- Secrets Sprawl and How AI is Impacting Secrets

GitGuardian found 29 million hard-coded secrets leaked in public GitHub commits in a single year, a 34% jump and the biggest spike they've ever recorded. Dwayne McDaniel joins to break down why AI coding tools, MCP servers, and a false sense of security in private repos are making the problem worse, and what it'll actually take to fix it. Check out the report here - https://www.gitguardian.com/files/the-state-of-secrets-sprawl-report-2026 . Dwayne McDaniel is a Principal Developer Advocate who has been on a mission to "help people figure stuff out" for over a decade. At GitGuardian, he specializes in secrets security and non-human identity governance across cloud and DevOps environments. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

April 30, 2026Episode 347 min

Tanya Janca - Secure Vibe Coding

AI isn’t just helping developers anymore; it’s writing the code, and that changes everything. In this episode, Tanya Janca breaks down “vibe coding,” the hidden security risks behind it, and how teams need to rethink AppSec from the ground up. If you’re building with AI, this is the wake-up call you can’t afford to miss. Tanya Janca, AKA SheHacksPurple, is an author, founder, trainer, speaker, software developer, but most of all, a nerd obsessed with security. She speaks and teaches secure coding worldwide and through her podcast, DevSec Station. Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/@DevSecStation FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

April 21, 2026Episode 244 min

Caroline Wong--The AI Cybersecurity Handbook

Caroline Wong, author of The AI Cybersecurity Handbook and Chief Strategy Officer at Axari, is back! Caroline shares how AI is rapidly changing AppSec, driving massive increases in code, accelerating risk, and challenging traditional security practices. The conversation covers AI-generated code, trust and explainability, and how security teams must adapt to keep up. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

April 15, 2026Episode 149 min

Steve Wilson--OpenClaw and Advanced AI Agents

In this episode of the Application Security Podcast, Chris Romeo and Robert Hurlbut welcome back Steve Wilson, a global leader in AI security and Chief AI and Product Officer at Exabeam, as well as founder of the OWASP Gen AI Security Project. Steve shares how his AI assistant was “hacked” using a simple phishing attack, highlighting a major shift in security—AI agents behave more like humans than traditional software. The conversation explores how this changes the threat model, why AppSec is struggling to keep up, and how organizations should approach the practical security of AI systems. They also cover the risks of autonomous agents, the expanding blast radius of failures, and what AppSec professionals can do now to adapt. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

October 28, 2025Episode 2042 min

Brad Geesaman - Redefining AppSec with AI: Shrinking Toil, Expanding Impact - How LLMs are able to reduce toil in triage-heavy AppSec workflows

Brad Geesaman, Principal Security Engineer at Ghost, joins the podcast today to explore how AI and large language models are transforming the world of application security. The discussion starts with the concept of "toil"—the repetitive, exhausting work that drains AppSec teams as they struggle to keep up with mountains of security findings and alerts. Brad shares his insights on how LLMs can provide meaningful leverage by handling the heavy lifting of triage, classification, and evidence gathering, while keeping humans firmly in the loop for final decisions. They also discuss the seismic shift happening in the AppSec market, with AI-native approaches potentially disrupting traditional security tooling. Listen along to hear more about the future of secure coding and how artificial intelligence might finally give security teams the helicopter view they need to fight fires effectively. FOLLOW OUR SOCIAL MEDIA: ➜Twitter: @AppSecPodcast ➜LinkedIn: The Application Security Podcast ➜YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ApplicationSecurityPodcast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~