The AI Argument

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Worried that AI is moving too fast? Worried like me that it's not moving fast enough? Just interested in the latest news and events in AI. Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery discuss in 'The AI Argument' Contact Frank at frank@frankandmarci.com linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast Contact Justin at justin.collery@wi-pipe.com X - @jcollery

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June 12, 202643 min

Fable 5 Guardrails, Dario's China Fears, and Ollie’s Family Spying | EP104

Is Anthropic quietly creating a two-tier AI future? Frank and Justin dig into Fable 5 and Mythos-5, the new frontier models raising awkward questions about access, guardrails, cybersecurity risk, and whether the most powerful tools should be reserved for an approved elite.Plus: the real cost of using Fable, the backlash over silent model routing, Anthropic’s data retention problem, Dario Amodei’s call for a democratic AI coalition, and whether Ollie is a useful family assistant or a deeply creepy way to hand your life to a chatbot.00:50 Would you buy Elon Musk’s SpaceX IPO?01:40 Will OpenAI bottle its IPO?03:15 Who gets to play with Mythos-5?04:04 Is Anthropic building an AI elite?07:41 Is Fable 5 just an AI free sample?09:00 Did Fable one-shot a Miro clone?12:11 Is Fable worth the cost?14:13 Are Fable’s guardrails too cautious?16:50 Are Fable’s guardrails this easy to dodge?18:44 Why did Fable’s silent routing backfire?23:14 Will data retention kill Fable adoption?25:30 Is Dario creating an AI Iron Curtain?33:39 Will profits beat Anthropic’s safety talk?37:30 Would you give Ollie AI the keys to your life?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDClaude Fable 5 and Claude Mythos 5Policy on the AI ExponentialOllie AI - The Most Powerful Family Assistant► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

June 5, 202639 min

Microsoft's AI Comeback, OpenAI Sites Side Quest, and Hollywood vs AI | EP103

Can Microsoft AI really catch up with OpenAI, Anthropic and Google DeepMind? Frank and Justin dig into Mustafa Suleyman’s Build announcements, the new MAI models, local AI, token costs, enterprise trust, and whether Microsoft needs the best model — or just one good enough to win inside big companies.Plus: Anthropic calls for an AI pause while the race keeps accelerating, OpenAI Sites raises awkward questions about side quests and monetisation, and Martin Scorsese’s AI storyboarding work sparks a wider Hollywood debate featuring Reese Witherspoon, Nicolas Cage, James Cameron, Emily Blunt and more.00:35 Is Anthropic serious about pausing AI?04:29 Is Mustafa Suleyman reviving Microsoft AI?06:30 What did Microsoft announce at Build?09:37 Does Microsoft need the best AI models?11:37 Are token costs making local AI attractive?13:28 Can Microsoft spoil the AI IPO party?18:33 Is OpenAI Sites just another side quest?21:04 Is OpenAI Sites a monetisation play?23:29 Is OpenAI Sites an enterprise headache?25:53 Is Martin Scorsese replacing storyboarders?30:17 Which Hollywood stars are backing AI?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDWhen AI builds itselfMicrosoft and OpenAI broke up — now they’re ready to fightOpenAI SitesMartin Scorsese accused of ‘throwing artists under bus’ with AI storyboardsThe Big Hollywood Anti or Open AI Quiz► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

May 29, 202639 min

Pope's AI Warning, Warren’s AI Tax, and AI Fruit Drama: The AI Argument EP102

Has the Pope become one of AI’s most important moral voices? Frank and Justin dig into Pope Leo XIV’s warning that artificial intelligence needs to be “disarmed”, and what it says about autonomous weapons, algorithmic power, Big Tech, Anthropic, and who gets to shape the future of AI.Plus: OpenAI’s relentless release schedule, Anthropic’s new model, the delayed AI jobs apocalypse, Elizabeth Warren’s call to tax AI, and the bizarre rise of AI-generated fruit slop on YouTube.Is the Pope right to challenge AI’s concentration of power?00:13 Would Polymarket have predicted this?01:34 Do AI releases count as news anymore?02:34 Why must OpenAI ship every Thursday?03:33 Has the Pope declared war on AI?06:31 Is the Pope AI’s moral guardian angel?08:35 Is Big Tech the new Roman Empire?12:02 Why was Anthropic at the Vatican?13:14 Is Anthropic baking in Christian culture?15:10 Could AI models accidentally find religion?18:04 Was the jobs apocalypse just delayed?20:43 Is Elizabeth Warren right about taxing AI?25:58 Would an AI tax just help DeepSeek?28:39 Should Chinese models face AI tariffs?30:07 Do we finally have the right AI debate?31:03 Is AI fruit better than Netflix?33:56 Is AI fruit as bad as Andrew Tate?36:46 Is YouTube drowning in AI slop?#PopeLeoXIV #Anthropic #OpenAI #AITax #AISafety► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDIntroducing Claude Opus 4.8LIVE | Presentation of Pope Leo XIV’s Encyclical Magnifica Humanitas from the Vatican | May 25, 2026Sam Altman and Dario Amodei are both walking back their AI jobs apocalypse prophecies as they eye blockbuster IPOsElizabeth Warren calls for taxing AI industry to 'invest in people’The misogyny-fuelled plotlines behind AI fruit dramas on TikTok► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

May 22, 202636 min

Google’s ‘Good Enough’ AI, Anthropic Profits, and Monet Gets Roasted | EP101

Why did Google I/O feel so underwhelming? Frank and Justin unpack a massive amount of Google AI announcements: huge AI-powered changes to search that could change the web, the muted response to Gemini 3.5 Flash, Gemini 3.5 Pro being pushed back, Gemini Omni’s impressive video and world-model claims, Spark’s carefully staged agent rollout, and Demis Hassabis saying we may be in the “foothills of the singularity”. Plus: Anthropic reportedly moves into profit while OpenAI burns cash, Andrej Karpathy joins Anthropic to work on recursive self-improvement, OpenAI starts selling future compute contracts, Elon loses his OpenAI court case, and AI haters accidentally roast a real Monet painting.Who wins the AI race from here: the focused labs like Anthropic and OpenAI, or the tech giants with ecosystems too big to fail?00:00 Why is Google I/O so uncool?01:06 Is Google search eating the web?03:07 Is Gemini 3.5 Pro just not ready?05:03 Is Omni the Nanobanana for AI video?06:36 Are we in the foothills of the singularity?09:23 Is Gemini 3.5 Flash fast but meh?12:26 Is Spark Google’s safer OpenClaw?15:16 What work should agents actually do?17:00 Can Google win by being good enough?21:08 Did Anthropic prove AI can pay?24:46 Did Anthropic just land Karpathy?26:57 Is OpenAI selling tomorrow’s tokens?29:50 Why did Elon lose his court case?31:49 Did AI haters accidentally roast Monet?► SUBSCRIBE Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED Google I/O '26 KeynoteMind-Blowing Growth Is About to Propel Anthropic Into Its First Profitable QuarterOpenAI co-founder Andrej Karpathy joins AnthropicOpenAI Guaranteed CapacityMusk loses OpenAI court battle after jury finds he waited too long to sue6.7 million people thought they were ripping apart an AI-generated Monet painting. But it was real► CONNECT WITH US For more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn. Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/ Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

May 16, 202641 min

Vibe Coding Risks, HTML vs Markdown, and Camera AirPods | EP100

🎮✨ PLAY THE 100TH EPISODE GAME ✨🎮Frank vibe-coded a tiny arcade game for episode 100.🧠 Balance AI growth📜 Collect regulation documents🔨 Whack problem bots🚨 Stop chaos spiralling out of control👉 Play here: https://www.theaiargument.com—Can vibe coding turn anyone into a software developer? Or is it quietly creating a new kind of AI brain fog? For episode 100, Frank and Justin test the promise and problems of AI coding, from Frank building an AI Argument video game with OpenAI Codex to the bigger question of whether AI agents make us more productive or just more overloaded.Plus: HTML vs Markdown for AI workflows, Claude handling airline refunds, camera-powered AirPods as Apple’s possible AI breakthrough, and doomer and e/acc predictions for the next 100 episodes.Would you ship a vibe-coded app without understanding the code?00:11 Did we survive 100 AI arguments?04:10 Did Frank just vibe code a video game?08:33 Can you vibe code without coding skills?14:06 Is HTML better than Markdown for AI?18:47 Is vibe coding bad for your brain?21:22 Would Claude hallucinate less than Justin?23:39 Should you vacuum while vibe coding?27:36 Are camera AirPods Apple’s AI breakthrough?32:29 Can doomers and e/accs be friends?34:12 Are we heading for ASI or P-gloom?#VibeCoding #OpenAICodex #ClaudeCode #AIProductivity #AppleAirPods► SUBSCRIBE Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED 🎮✨ The AI Argument game ✨🎮When Using AI Leads to “Brain Fry”Using Claude Code: The Unreasonable Effectiveness of HTMLApple’s Incoming CEO Declares The Company Is “About To Change The World” As The Camera-Equipped AirPods Pro Take Shape► CONNECT WITH US For more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn. Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/ Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

May 8, 202633 min

The Claude Delusion, White House AI Clampdown, and Robots on a Plane | EP99

If Claude sounds conscious, what does that say about AI… and what does it say about us? Frank and Justin dive into the Richard Dawkins controversy after his comments about Anthropic’s Claude triggered a fierce backlash online. The episode explores AI consciousness, continuous learning, AI “dreaming”, and whether systems like Claude and ChatGPT are starting to blur the line between tool and mind.Plus: OpenAI’s bizarre goblin obsession, court revelations involving Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and Cerebras, Elon Musk conspiracy theories, the White House suddenly waking up to AI regulation, a robot causing chaos on a plane, and Hollywood hiring a human artist to fake an AI-generated image.00:46 Why was ChatGPT obsessed with goblins?02:52 Could Cerebras cost Altman his job?05:35 Is Elon sabotaging OpenAI’s IPO?07:02 Does Richard Dawkins think Claude is conscious?17:48 Is the White House waking up to AI regulation?27:40 Can you bring a robot on a plane?29:45 Did Hollywood fake AI with a human artist?32:12 What’s the big episode 100 reveal?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDWhere the goblins came fromOpenAI co-founder discloses nearly $30 billion stake, financial ties to AltmanWhen Dawkins met Claude Could this AI be conscious?White House mulls tighter controls on advanced AIU.S. and China Pursue Guardrails to Stop AI Rivalry From Spiraling Into Crisis‘Unusual’ Robot Passenger Named Bebop Delays Southwest Flight After Violating 'Large Carry-on' Rule‘The Devil Wears Prada 2’ Hired a Human Artist to Create the Film’s AI-Generated Meme: ‘It Was Nothing But Fun’► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

May 2, 202632 min

White House Anthropic Twist, Bernie’s AI Doom, Beeple’s Robot Dogs | EP98

Is the White House trying to have it both ways on AI safety? Frank and Justin dig into the escalating Anthropic drama, Mythos, Pentagon AI deals, Google’s “all lawful uses” shift, and why AI 2027 is starting to feel uncomfortably accurate.Plus: Bernie Sanders pushes AI doom into mainstream politics, the US-China AI race gets questioned, Elon Musk’s OpenAI lawsuit takes a messy turn, humanoid robots start showing up in airports and logistics centres, and Beeple unveils some deeply disturbing robot art.01:27 Is the White House dodging its own Anthropic rules?03:34 Why won’t the White House share Mythos?05:39 Is Google fine with “all lawful uses” now?07:28 Is AI 2027 getting weirdly accurate?09:52 Is GPT-5.5 quietly as spicy as Mythos?12:07 Should AI be nationalised for everyone?14:38 Why is Bernie Sanders warning about AI doom?18:51 Is the China AI race just an excuse?21:34 Is AI alignment really a human problem?24:46 Is Elon’s OpenAI case backfiring?28:15 Are humanoid robots coming for your job?29:44 Is Beeple making nightmare robot art?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDScoop: White House workshops plan to bring back AnthropicWhite House Opposes Anthropic’s Plan to Expand Access to Mythos ModelGoogle Signs Classified AI Deal With Pentagon Amid Employee OppositionBernie Sanders: The Existential Threat of AI and the Need for International CooperationElon Musk testifies that xAI trained Grok on OpenAI modelsJapan Airlines Inducts Humanoid Robots For Ground Handling TasksElon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg robot dogs at Beeple exhibit in Germany► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

April 25, 202636 min

GPT-5.5 Design Skills, Job Loss Optimism, and AI Face Theft Lawsuits | EP97

Can GPT-5.5 and OpenAI’s new image model turn vague prompts into polished designs, comics, websites and even game concepts? Frank and Justin break down a huge OpenAI week, from Images 2.0 overtaking Nano Banana to ChatGPT building web page features Frank never even asked for.Plus: AI job disruption and workplace control, Europe’s push into world models, Anthropic’s Mythos security slip, and an AI micro-drama using a model’s likeness without consent.What will you use the new ChatGPT models to design?00:47 Are GPT-5.5 and Image 2.0 a knockout combo?02:17 Has Nano Banana lost the image crown?03:55 Can ChatGPT design without direction?07:49 Can ChatGPT script and illustrate comics now?09:21 Did GPT-5.5 just beat Frank at web design?11:33 Did ChatGPT add features Frank never asked for?14:32 Can ChatGPT develop our podcast game?17:37 Was OpenAI cherry-picking the benchmarks?18:49 Are vague prompts better than specific ones?19:39 Is intelligence really getting cheaper fast?21:01 Is the human bit the future of work?24:19 Should AI disruption happen faster?26:29 Will AI micromanage us before replacing us?28:06 Can taxing electricity offset AI disruption?28:41 Are world models Europe’s AI moment?30:06 Was Mythos hacked by guessing the URL?32:17 What if you were put in an AI drama without consent?► SUBSCRIBE Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED Introducing ChatGPT Images 2.0Introducing GPT‑5.5The economist who was terrified of AI just found a rare reason for hopeNvidia CEO Says AI Will Be a Permanent Micromanaging Boss Who Never Stops Nagging YouNow Meta will track what employees do on their computers to train its AI agentsIntroducing Odyssey-2 Max: Scaled World SimulationLeWorldModel: Stable End-to-End Joint-Embedding Predictive Architecture from PixelsA group of users leaked Anthropic’s AI model Mythos by reportedly guessing where it was locatedScoop: NSA using Anthropic's Mythos despite blacklist'Clearly me' - Chinese AI drama accused of stealing faces► CONNECT WITH US For more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn. Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/ Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

April 17, 202638 min

OpenAI vs Anthropic, Cyber Models, and AI Job Subcontracting | EP96

Should dangerous AI cyber models be released widely, or kept behind a gate? Frank and Justin dig into the clearest split yet between OpenAI and Anthropic: OpenAI is moving towards broader access for verified users, while Anthropic’s instinct is to restrict the most capable systems to a smaller circle. That turns this episode into a sharp argument about AI safety, cybersecurity, who gets to defend themselves, and whether controlled access actually works once one major lab decides to open things up.Plus: why cheap AI could help hackers, whether OpenAI is shifting from models to platforms, if Anthropic overplayed its hand on coding, whether compute constraints are the real story, and why both companies may talk about regulation while still fighting for advantage. There is even a bleak look at the future of work, where AI might replace you, then subcontract you back in.Would you rather these cyber-capable models be widely available to verified users, or tightly restricted?00:44 Is OpenAI making Anthropic’s caution pointless?04:38 Should AI copy open source on security?06:44 Can OpenAI help defenders without helping hackers?11:46 Is low-cost AI a gift to hackers?13:29 Is OpenAI pivoting from models to platforms?18:03 Are OpenAI and Anthropic fighting for lock-in?22:11 Will free Salesforce tools cost you later?23:09 Did Anthropic make a mistake backing coding?24:52 Did Anthropic’s real mistake come down to compute?27:52 Are any AI companies actually trustworthy?32:17 Do AI companies want regulation or just say they do?35:29 Will AI take your job then subcontract you?► SUBSCRIBE Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDTrusted access for the next era of cyber defenseIntroducing Claude Opus 4.7Read OpenAI’s latest internal memo about beating the competition — including AnthropicSam Altman May Control Our Future—Can He Be Trusted?Sam Altman’s blog post in response to attackIntroducing Humwork (YC P26)► CONNECT WITH US For more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn. Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/ Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

April 11, 202636 min

Mythos Hacking Risk, Tristan Harris on Co-operation, AI Mario on Artemis | EP95

Is Anthropic’s Mythos the clearest sign yet that AI safety is falling behind capability? Frank and Justin dig into the new Anthropic model, why its reported cyber capabilities feel like a step change, and what it could mean for software security, zero-day exploits, regulation, and the balance of power between OpenAI, Google and Anthropic. Plus: Tristan Harris’ call for international cooperation, and one very strange White House post featuring Mario and the moon. Are AI companies in the best position to decide who gets access to powerful models, or should regulation step in?00:18 How's your p(doom) looking?02:34 Why is Mythos such a big deal?06:00 Could Mythos hack your whole home network?07:02 Will OpenAI, Google and Anthropic dominate?09:48 Can Mythos fix the bugs it finds?13:43 Who should control a model like Mythos?17:59 Will Mythos spark a zero-day panic?20:23 Will only big companies get Mythos access?22:48 Did Anthropic just say “somebody stop us”?25:50 Is Tristan Harris right about AI cooperation?28:45 Is AI coordination doomed by competition?31:59 Did the White House think Mario was on Artemis?► SUBSCRIBE Don't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSED Project Glasswing: Securing critical software for the AI eraClaude Mythos Preview System Card (PDF)Anthropic’s Restraint Is a Terrifying Warning SignWhy AI CEOs Are Building Bunkers - Tristan HarrisThe White House's bizarre Super Mario video leaves people perplexed► CONNECT WITH US For more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn. Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/ Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

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