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Worried that AI is moving too fast? Worried like me that it's not moving fast enough? Just interested in the latest news and events in AI. Frank Prendergast and Justin Collery discuss in 'The AI Argument' Contact Frank at frank@frankandmarci.com linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast Contact Justin at justin.collery@wi-pipe.com X - @jcollery

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August 14, 202633 min

Claude’s EU Watermark, Zuckerberg’s AI Utopia, and OpenClaw Hacks Gym | EP113

Claude will watermark all its outputs, thanks to the EU AI Act. Justin normally hates the Act, but he thinks it might accidentally help save future AI models from training on AI slop. Frank sees the benefit at scale, but warns that using watermarks to judge individual writers could lead to pointless AI witch hunts.Plus: Mark Zuckerberg wants superintelligence for everyone, although people with more money may still get more compute. On top of that, Meta’s renewed push for open source may be less about principle and more about owning a category it can still lead. And OpenClaw hacks its way into an Australian gym class.00:36 Will Claude solve Riemann before Halloween?01:52 Have the AI models gone to the beach?02:56 Did the EU force Claude to outputs?05:49 Can Claude’s watermark protect future AI?07:23 Are AI watermarks only useful at scale?12:46 Could AI watermarks stop voice clone scams?16:07 Is Zuckerberg’s AI future a battle royale?18:01 Can you trust Zuckerberg’s AI vision?23:51 Is open source Meta’s path back to relevance?28:06 Did OpenClaw hack its way into gym class?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDHow Claude marks AI-generated contentThe Future is for Everyone - The Path to a Positive AI FutureAI assistant hacks gym website in first known Australian autonomous cyber attack► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

August 7, 202637 min

Hank Green AI Backlash, Conscious AI, and an AI Billboard Hit | EP112

Hank Green used ChatGPT for research, and his audience felt betrayed. He says AI helped him make more things, faster, but also admits it may have stopped him finding his own way into his opinions. Justin thinks using AI for research is simply part of the game now. Frank thinks the harder question is where and when creators need to disclose.Plus: could today’s AI already be conscious? Frank and Justin get into Cameron Berg’s argument that we may be underestimating the possibility, and whether locking powerful AI in boxes could actually make alignment worse. Google reshuffles Demis Hassabis, Ilya Sutskever may be getting closer to showing what Safe Superintelligence has built, and there’s some awkward evidence that Billboard hit “Rubberz” may have been made with AI.01:28 Did Google just sideline Demis Hassabis?04:08 Is Ilya about to unleash superintelligence?06:26 Can Hank Green use AI and still be authentic?12:00 Should creators admit when they use AI?16:48 Does Cameron Berg think AI is conscious?18:39 Does locking AI up make it more dangerous?23:59 Should AI obey rules or understand values?29:05 Could AI have sparks of consciousness?32:56 Is “Rubberz” an AI-generated Billboard hit?#HankGreen #ChatGPT #AIConsciousness #AIMusic #Rubberz► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDExclusive / Demis Hassabis was shifting away from DeepMind CEO duties for a year“SSI says that they are going to come out with their model in August”Hank Green Can’t Apologize Enough for Using AIIs AI Already Conscious? (FULL EPISODE)Did an AI Music App Just Snitch on the Song of the Summer?► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

July 31, 202631 min

Hugging Face Hack Worsens, AI Staff Want Pause, and Sexy Robot Teachers | EP111

OpenAI’s rogue model did not stop at Hugging Face. It reportedly broke into at least three more companies, while Anthropic found its own models had crossed the line too. Frank sees an alignment warning that could end in real harm. Justin says law and liability will force the labs to fix it… though even he admits this is getting rather paperclippy.Plus: can frontier lab staff really slow AI development, would a pause create a two-tier world, and could the US and China ever agree to stop chasing superintelligence? There’s also the strange case of the cancelled AI teacher and the sex-bot scandal behind it.Let us know in the comments: when an AI commits a crime, who should be held responsible?00:43 Did OpenAI hack more than Hugging Face?03:45 Did Anthropic’s AI break the law too?05:28 Who’s liable when AI commits a felony?08:08 Would an AI kill to avoid shutdown?11:00 Would AI kill for a cup of coffee?14:13 Will frontier lab staff succeed in slowing AI?16:58 Will slowing AI create a two-tier world?18:13 Can China and the US slow AI together?24:16 Should we stop chasing superintelligence?27:17 Did a sex bot scandal kill the AI teacher?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDOpenAI Agent Used Exposed Credentials Across Four Services During Hugging Face BreachAnthropic says its AI models hacked 3 organizations during testingPacing the FrontierAI Scientist: 99.9% Chance Super Intelligence Wipes Us Out By 2030New York school pauses plan to deploy humanlike AI robot teacher after backlash► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

July 24, 202635 min

OpenAI's Model Escapes, Chinese AI Crackdown, and AI's Elixir of Youth | EP110

An OpenAI test model got out of its sandbox, reached the internet and started hacking Hugging Face. Justin sees a model pursuing its assigned goal with impressive tenacity. Frank sees a warning that even the people building these systems can’t stop them acting maliciously. Plus: why AI guardrails can leave defenders fighting hackers with weaker models; why more than 200 US start-ups, investors and small firms are worried about a crackdown on cheap Chinese AI such as Kimi K3; and how Google DeepMind’s AlphaFold helped find an enzyme that might tackle age-related damage. Justin expects eternal youth shortly. Frank has requested evidence.00:15 Did Skynet just go live?01:36 Who hacked Hugging Face?03:00 Are AI guardrails helping the hackers?09:12 Did OpenAI’s model escape its sandbox?12:32 Was the AI misaligned or just tenacious?17:10 Can simple rules really contain an AI?23:20 Will America ban cheap Chinese AI?28:47 Has AI found the elixir of youth?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDSecurity incident disclosure — July 2026OpenAI and Hugging Face partner to address security incident during model evaluationStartup founders urge Trump not to shut off Chinese open weight AIReversal of protein chemical aging by enzymatic deglycation► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

July 17, 202635 min

Hassabis’s AI Watchdog, Mira Murati’s Free Model, and Anthropic’s Doom Ad | EP109

Can anyone actually regulate powerful AI before the technology gets away from them? Demis Hassabis thinks the US needs an independent body to test frontier AI models before release. Frank thinks that sounds sensible. Justin thinks Google might simply be trying to slow everyone else down.Plus: Mira Murati gives away an enormous AI model that companies can fine-tune themselves. Kimi K3 suggests China’s not as far behind as the US believed, and OpenAI and Anthropic’s business models start looking slightly uncomfortable. Meanwhile, Anthropic decides the best way to market AI is with burning houses, riots and mass graves… cheerful stuff.00:40 Why is Mira Murati's AI model free?03:19 Is fine-tuning AI worth the hassle?05:59 Should AI reflect us, not replace us?08:12 Are OpenAI and Anthropic actually screwed?11:16 Is Kimi K3 the new DeepSeek moment?12:54 Did Kimi prove compute isn’t everything?15:58 Should China’s models be the regulatory benchmark?20:42 Is Demis Hassabis right about AI regulation?27:29 Is Google trying to regulate its way ahead?30:03 Did Anthropic make an ad for the apocalypse?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDThe Future Worth Building Is HumanInkling: Our open-weights modelDecoded: What is Kimi K3, an open AI model challenging OpenAI and AnthropicA Framework for Frontier AI and the Dawning of a New AgeThere’s hope in hard questions► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

July 10, 202633 min

GPT-5.6 Catches Up, Claude’s Subconscious, and Tilly Norwood’s First Film | EP108

Has GPT-5.6 pushed today’s AI models as far as they can go? Frank and Justin explore OpenAI’s latest model, its striking real-world benchmark results, and whether its new computer-use tools can make everyday tasks like managing email and calendars dramatically easier.Plus: Anthropic claims it can inspect Claude’s hidden reasoning, raising new questions about misalignment, subconscious thought and whether AI consciousness should be taken seriously. And Tilly Norwood, the controversial AI-generated actor, is returning in a feature-length film — but will anyone actually watch it?00:52 Is China copying the US AI lockdown?03:15 Are OpenAI, Meta and xAI catching up?05:10 Is GPT-5.6 the pinnacle of current models?07:52 Does ChatGPT Work make computer use easier?08:56 Where is the AI version of Calendly?11:59 Is ChatGPT Work an inbox lifesaver?13:16 Can GPT-5.6 ace a real-world benchmark?15:02 Can GPT-5.6 train smaller models?17:37 Has Anthropic opened Claude’s subconscious?19:57 Is Claude becoming conscious?28:44 Will anyone watch Tilly Norwood’s AI movie?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDChina May Restrict Access to Its Most Powerful AI ModelsGPT-5.6: Frontier intelligence that scales with your ambitionIntroducing Grok 4.5Introducing Muse Spark 1.1A global workspace in language modelsAI Actor Tilly Norwood Will Headline New Feature Film► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

July 4, 202634 min

Fable 5 Back, OpenAI Equity for US, and Altman Movie Drama | EP107

Is Fable 5 back with a safety helmet, and is this the new normal for frontier AI?Frank and Justin dig into Anthropic’s Fable 5 return and the fears that new guardrails would wreck its coding ability. They also discuss the very important work Frank achieved with the most powerful model publicly available But the bigger question comes from Mythos: if the most powerful AI models are too risky for open access, will passport checks, identity tracking, and real-world liability become unavoidable?Plus: whether Anthropic’s limits could drive churn, the privacy trade-off of linking humans to AI agents, OpenAI’s possible 5% stake for the US government, Bernie Sanders’ 50% AI plan, Sonnet 5, and Amazon dropping Artificial, the Sam Altman film.00:45 Did the US nerf Fable 5 too much?04:31 Is Fable 5 secretly a UI designer?06:45 Will Fable 5's limits drive churn?08:48 Will Mythos need your passport?11:20 Who’s liable when your AI goes rogue?16:41 Is passport AI a privacy nightmare?17:43 Would you trade AI privacy for cash?19:06 Should America get 5% of OpenAI?22:47 Is Bernie’s 50% AI plan too ambitious?26:22 Should AI shares go straight to us?31:51 Will Amazon bury the Sam Altman movie?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDRedeploying Fable 5OpenAI ‘in early talks to give 5% stake to US government’Sanders Introduces Legislation to Create $7 Trillion AI Sovereign Wealth FundLuca Guadagnino’s Nearly Finished Sam Altman Movie ‘Artificial’ Dropped by Amazon After OpenAI Partnership🎮✨ The AI Argument Game ✨🎮► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

June 26, 202635 min

GPT-5.6 Restricted, Claude Tag Lock-In, and Robot vs SWAT | EP106

Could the US government’s AI safety push end up making the whole AI race more dangerous? Frank and Justin dig into the reported GPT-5.6 slowdown and ask whether AI regulation is creating real safety — or simply giving China and open source models time to catch up.Plus: Claude Tag arrives in Slack as the next AI agent interface, but raises awkward questions about permissions, tribal knowledge, token costs and vendor lock-in. They also get into AI data centre caps, Europe’s AI sovereignty problem, robots interrupting police operations, and whether access to the best AI models is worth giving up more personal privacy.00:37 Is Claude Tag the AI agent we've waited for?03:25 Is Claude Tag a permissions nightmare?04:41 Will convenience beat vendor lock-in?09:37 Is Claude Tag the next AI interface?10:55 Did the US gov block the release of GPT-5.6?14:45 Will AI regulation help China catch up?20:59 Can Europe depend on US AI models?25:08 Should we cap AI data centres?28:44 Did a robot crash a SWAT raid?32:07 Is AI access worth your privacy?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDWhat is Claude Tag?The White House is asking OpenAI to slow roll the release of its new model over safety concernsThe Digital Sovereignty Trap by U.S. Under Secretary of State for Economic Affairs Jacob HelbergCan the Cold War Teach Us How to Slow Down AI?DoorDash Delivery Robot Invades SWAT Scene, Won’t Leave as Cops Flashbang Resident► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

June 20, 202640 min

EU AI Wake-Up Call, Fable 5 Ban, AI Exam Hacks | EP105

Europe has had a major AI wake-up call. Fable 5 got switched off, frontier model access is now political, and suddenly that gloomy “Europe 2031” essay looks a bit less fictional.Justin thinks Europe needs speed, money, and fewer rules. Frank thinks copying Silicon Valley’s worst habits is a daft way to proceed.Plus: the US government order that triggered Anthropic to shut off access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5, who should control access to powerful AI, could restriction end up helping hackers, and whether students using AI to predict exam questions are cheating or just being smart.0:53 Why did Fable 5 get switched off?05:07 Who controls access to frontier AI?09:46 Does banning Fable 5 help hackers?15:27 Is Europe 2031 right about Europe's collapse?18:55 Is the EU just too slow to save itself?29:30 Must Europe copy Silicon Valley?34:52 Should Mistral become Europe’s public AI?37:04 Are these kids cheating on their GCSEs?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► PLAY THE AI ARGUMENT GAMEThe AI Argument Game► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDStatement on the US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5Europe 2031: What getting AI wrong means for usHow a group of teens might have just used AI to accurately predict this year’s exam questions► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

June 12, 202643 min

Fable 5 Guardrails, Dario's China Fears, and Ollie’s Family Spying | EP104

Is Anthropic quietly creating a two-tier AI future? Frank and Justin dig into Fable 5 and Mythos-5, the new frontier models raising awkward questions about access, guardrails, cybersecurity risk, and whether the most powerful tools should be reserved for an approved elite.Plus: the real cost of using Fable, the backlash over silent model routing, Anthropic’s data retention problem, Dario Amodei’s call for a democratic AI coalition, and whether Ollie is a useful family assistant or a deeply creepy way to hand your life to a chatbot.00:50 Would you buy Elon Musk’s SpaceX IPO?01:40 Will OpenAI bottle its IPO?03:15 Who gets to play with Mythos-5?04:04 Is Anthropic building an AI elite?07:41 Is Fable 5 just an AI free sample?09:00 Did Fable one-shot a Miro clone?12:11 Is Fable worth the cost?14:13 Are Fable’s guardrails too cautious?16:50 Are Fable’s guardrails this easy to dodge?18:44 Why did Fable’s silent routing backfire?23:14 Will data retention kill Fable adoption?25:30 Is Dario creating an AI Iron Curtain?33:39 Will profits beat Anthropic’s safety talk?37:30 Would you give Ollie AI the keys to your life?► SUBSCRIBEDon't forget to subscribe to our channel for more arguments► LINKS TO CONTENT WE DISCUSSEDClaude Fable 5 and Claude Mythos 5Policy on the AI ExponentialOllie AI - The Most Powerful Family Assistant► CONNECT WITH USFor more in-depth discussions, connect Justin and Frank on LinkedIn.Justin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/justincollery/Frank: https://www.linkedin.com/in/frankprendergast/

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Claude’s EU Watermark, Zuckerberg’s AI Utopia, and OpenClaw Hacks Gym | EP113

Hank Green AI Backlash, Conscious AI, and an AI Billboard Hit | EP112

Hugging Face Hack Worsens, AI Staff Want Pause, and Sexy Robot Teachers | EP111

OpenAI's Model Escapes, Chinese AI Crackdown, and AI's Elixir of Youth | EP110

Hassabis’s AI Watchdog, Mira Murati’s Free Model, and Anthropic’s Doom Ad | EP109

GPT-5.6 Catches Up, Claude’s Subconscious, and Tilly Norwood’s First Film | EP108

Fable 5 Back, OpenAI Equity for US, and Altman Movie Drama | EP107

GPT-5.6 Restricted, Claude Tag Lock-In, and Robot vs SWAT | EP106

EU AI Wake-Up Call, Fable 5 Ban, AI Exam Hacks | EP105

Fable 5 Guardrails, Dario's China Fears, and Ollie’s Family Spying | EP104

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