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Swimming Upstream

Swimming Upstream

Hosted by Tom Luna

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May 2026

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Swimming Upstream host Tom Luna, is a former school board member was privileged to serve as a Senior Advisor to US Sec of Education Rod Paige. He also served for eight years as Idaho's State Superintendent of Public Instruction. During that time, he was the President of the Council of Chief State School Officers. On his podcast, Swimming Upstream, he visits with courageous leaders who challenge the prevailing tide and inspire all of us to swim against the current. Let’s jump in. About Our Host Tom Luna was elected Idaho State Superintendent of Public Instruction in 2006 and served two terms during which Idaho passed arguably the most comprehensive education reform laws in the country. While serving as State Superintendent, Tom was elected President of the Council of Chief State School Officers, an organization made up of all 50 state chiefs. In 2009 Tom was appointed by the U.S. Secretary of Education to the National Assessment Governing Board. Connect with Tom on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-luna-79045716/ View our Full Lineup of Shows: https://www.strategosgroup.com/insights Visit our YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@strategospodcastnetwork

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May 7, 202633 min

State Chiefs, Technology, and the Tennessee Way: Education Innovation with Lizzette Reynolds

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, guest host Johnny Key sits down with Lizzette Reynolds, Commissioner of Education for the State of Tennessee, for a timely conversation recorded live at the ASU GSV Conference in San Diego.Reynolds shares her perspective on how states can better align education systems with real workforce needs, emphasizing that the goal is not to replace educators with technology, but to use innovation thoughtfully to strengthen teaching and learning. She highlights Tennessee’s strong focus on the science of reading and emerging efforts in math, while urging edtech providers and philanthropic partners to focus on building capacity, improving efficiency, and supporting—not disrupting—classroom instruction.A central theme of the conversation is the importance of tailoring solutions to each state’s unique context. Reynolds explains that while national models and policies can offer guidance, effective implementation must reflect local values, student needs, and economic priorities. This approach is especially critical as Tennessee works to strengthen connections between K–12 education, higher education, and workforce development, ensuring students are prepared for a wide range of career pathways.Reynolds also discusses the need for stronger collaboration between education systems and the business community, noting that both sectors ultimately share a common goal: expanding opportunities for students through meaningful, sustainable careers. She underscores the importance of balancing academic rigor with career and technical education, ensuring students build both foundational knowledge and practical skills without limiting future growth.Key Moments:05:17 Perspective on educational policy roles08:57 Focusing on district support needs10:05 Using AI for education pathways14:03 Concerns about young teacher prep17:24 Integrating education with workforce development19:47 Addressing healthcare education needs24:59 Importance of foundational knowledge26:46 Improving education in Tennessee31:28 Bringing personal items to spaConnect with Lizzette ReynoldsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizzettegWebsite: https://www.tn.gov/

May 7, 202633 min

Empowering Students through Choice, Community, and CTE in Utah

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, guest host Johnny Key, in for Tom Luna, sits down with Dr. Molly Hart, Utah Superintendent of Public Instruction for the Utah State Board of Education, for a wide-ranging conversation about leadership, school choice, workforce readiness, and the enduring power of public education.Dr. Hart reflects on her personal journey as a first-generation college student growing up in rural Michigan, where access to public education and a simple trip to the library helped shape her future. She shares how her path from classroom teacher to principal, charter school leader, state board member, and now state superintendent has reinforced her belief that education must remain deeply rooted in community, opportunity, and student growth.Throughout the conversation, Hart emphasizes the importance of restoring joy and purpose to classrooms while maintaining high expectations for teaching and learning. She discusses the need for stronger instructional practices, better principal development, and more meaningful professional support for educators, all while recognizing that successful schools cannot simply copy and paste solutions from other states or districts.The episode also explores Utah’s innovative work around workforce development, career pathways, and student choice. Hart explains how initiatives like First Credential and Catalyst Centers are helping students gain hands-on experiences and industry credentials while still building strong academic foundations. She also offers a nuanced perspective on school choice, arguing that families benefit when education systems provide flexible, high-quality options that meet diverse student needs.Grounded in both practical leadership and personal conviction, this conversation highlights Dr. Hart’s belief that education works best when systems empower teachers, honor local communities, and keep students at the center of every decision.Key Moments:05:16 Moving and teaching in Utah09:18 Missing the cafeteria experience10:16 Principals building school relationships13:19 Finding joy and purpose at work17:56 Federal changes in education policy19:25 High school CTE stories24:30 Converting to a charter school28:39 Discussing school choice options31:55 Planning innovative student projectsConnect with Dr. Molly HartLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/molly-hart-ed-d-997664139Website: https://schools.utah.gov/

December 24, 202527 min

Literacy, School Safety, and Teacher Retention: Richard Woods on Leading Georgia Education

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna is joined by Johnny Key live from the Excel in Ed Conference in New Orleans for a conversation with Richard Woods, Georgia’s elected State School Superintendent.Woods reflects on his path from classroom teacher to statewide office sharing how the post No Child Left Behind era pushed him to focus on what he felt was missing most: talking about kids, not just tests. Now entering his 12th year in office and running for a fourth term, he describes what it takes to stay relevant, energized, and centered on student outcomes over multiple terms.The conversation explores Georgia’s push to strengthen early literacy, including the rollout of new K–12 literacy standards grounded in the science of reading. Woods shares early results from Georgia’s federally identified CSI schools, where coaching support modeled after Mississippi’s approach has driven initial gains and is now being replicated more broadly across the state.Woods also discusses Georgia’s comprehensive approach to school safety—not only hardening buildings through cameras, SROs, and facility design collaboration with first responders, but also addressing the “question behind the question” through mental health supports, stronger inter-agency coordination, and telehealth access in rural communities.Key Moments06:12 "Importance of Reading for Kids"09:57 "Focusing on Kids' Basic Needs"11:14 Prioritizing School Safety and Readiness17:15 "Teaching the Peach Initiative"18:05 Addressing Teacher Retention Challenges21:45 "Improving Literacy Through Accountability"24:49 "Integrating Subjects for Deeper Learning"Connect with Richard WoodsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-woods-52571849/Website: https://www.gadoe.org/

December 24, 202524 min

Diving into Accountability: Tennessee's Education Reforms with Lizzette Reynolds

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna is joined by Strategos Group Partner Johnny Key for a live conversation from the Excel in Education Conference in New Orleans with Lizzette Reynolds, Commissioner of Education for the state of Tennessee.A major focus of the conversation is literacy. Reynolds explains Tennessee’s commitment to the science of reading, the importance of early literacy benchmarks, and how statewide implementation from teacher preparation to instructional materials and tutoring has helped drive improvement. She emphasizes that literacy is foundational not only to academic success, but to students’ long-term economic and life outcomes.The episode also explores assessment and accountability, including Tennessee’s A–F school grading system, the push for clearer and faster data reporting, and how states can use assessment results to support not punish schools and educators. Reynolds discusses how Tennessee is reimagining high school accountability through a “Future Ready” lens that values college, career, and military readiness.The conversation closes with a hopeful outlook on Tennessee’s educators, school leaders, and students and a fun piece of trivia: Mountain Dew originated in Tennessee, originally created as a whiskey mixer.Key Moments00:00 Tom Luna on leadership, accountability, and Swimming Upstream01:08 Introducing Commissioner Lizzette Reynolds live from New Orleans01:43 Reynolds’ path from federal education policy to Tennessee leadership04:32 Implementing Tennessee’s A–F accountability system07:34 Why literacy and the science of reading matter long-term10:03 Tutoring, teacher prep, and instructional support statewide15:13 Assessment, ESSA waivers, and accountability going forward17:42 Future Ready Tennessee: rethinking high school outcomes21:43 Using assessment data to individualize instruction24:10 What gives Reynolds hope for Tennessee’s students25:39 Tennessee trivia: the origin of Mountain DewConnect with Lizzette ReynoldsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lizzetteg

December 24, 202527 min

School Choice, Transparency, and Idaho’s Growth With Sen. Lori Den Hartog

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down in New Orleans at the Excel in Education Conference with Senator Lori Den Hartog, Senate Majority Leader from Idaho, to explore how education policy, school choice, and government accountability intersect especially in a fast-growing state.Sen. Den Hartog shares her personal story growing up on a dairy farm in rural Ada County and how that upbringing shaped her work ethic and her views on private property rights, regulation, and the real-world cost of government bureaucracy especially for small businesses and family operations.The conversation then turns to education policy, where Den Hartog emphasizes the importance of transparency, especially since K–12 education represents a major portion of Idaho’s state budget. She explains why unclear funding flows make it difficult to track spending, measure outcomes, and defend policies ultimately limiting the state’s ability to evaluate what’s working.Finally, Den Hartog explains the broader challenge legislators face: balancing education investments alongside transportation, healthcare, corrections, and other core state responsibilities while remembering that every dollar is taxpayer money.Key Moments00:00 Tom Luna intro + the “not rocket science… more complicated” line00:41 Live from New Orleans: introducing Sen. Lori Den Hartog02:58 Growing up on a dairy farm + how it shaped her leadership07:43 Growth, regulation, and why “time is money” for small businesses10:46 Why education funding needs transparency and traceable results13:06 Why school choice has always felt “normal” to her16:41 Idaho’s refundable education tax credit: who qualifies + what it covers22:07 Balancing education with roads, healthcare, and other state prioritiesConnect with Lori Den Hartog Website: https://www.dordt.edu/

December 24, 202527 min

Leadership, School Choice, and Education Funding With Rep. Wendy Horman

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, former Idaho State Superintendent and host Tom Luna sits down with Wendy Horman, Chair of the Idaho House Appropriations Committee and Co-Chair of the Joint Finance-Appropriations Committee (JFAC), to explore what it truly means to lead in education while swimming against the current.Rep. Horman reflects on her journey from local school board service in the Bonneville School District to becoming one of the most influential voices shaping Idaho’s education funding and policy. Drawing on more than two decades of public service, she explains how asking hard questions, following the data, and challenging the status quo have guided her work at both the local and state levels.The conversation dives deeply into education funding, accountability, and transparency. Horman explains how Idaho’s education budget has more than doubled over the past decade while student enrollment has grown modestly, and why fiscal policy is inseparable from education policy. She also outlines the major reforms to Idaho’s budgeting process, designed to increase accountability by separating base funding from new spending requests and requiring agencies to demonstrate results before seeking additional dollars.Throughout the episode, Horman returns to a consistent theme: optimism rooted in students themselves. From her work with local schools to conversations with college students, she shares why the next generation gives her hope for the future of education in Idaho and beyond.Key Moments04:00 From school board service to the Idaho Legislature08:55 Understanding Idaho’s education funding structure11:52 Reforming the state budgeting and accountability process16:35 Public education investment and school choice can coexist19:23 Inside Idaho’s parental choice tax credit24:56 What gives hope for the future of education25:54 A surprising piece of Idaho education history21:49 Kids Inspire HopeConnect with Wendy HormanWebsite: https://idahocapitalsun.com/

December 10, 202527 min

Idaho Education Innovations with State Superintendent Debbie Critchfield

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with Debbie Critchfield, Idaho’s elected State Superintendent of Public Instruction, live from the Education and Excellence Conference in New Orleans.The conversation focuses on what Critchfield has prioritized during her first term: expanding opportunity for rural students, strengthening career technical education (CTE), improving teacher preparation and support, and scaling a statewide literacy strategy built around the science of reading.On literacy, she describes Idaho’s SMART coaching model and statewide alignment of curriculum, teacher training, and administrator readiness. She shares early outcomes from Idaho’s K–3 reading assessment efforts, including statewide gains and standout schools seeing dramatic growth.The episode also touches on Idaho’s broad landscape of school choice, and Critchfield offers a measured perspective on the new tax credit program supporting parental choice while also pointing to transparency and accountability questions that will become clearer as implementation begins.Key Moments05:07 Unique Playground Ice Rink07:38 "Immediate Graduation Requirement Implementation"09:51 Career Tech Investment Initiative14:36 Accelerating Student-Centered Funding Reform17:35 Idaho's Literacy and Local Leadership19:36 "Teacher Preparation Over Curriculum"23:30 "Children: 100% of Our Future"Connect with Debbie CritchfieldLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debbie-critchfield-b926446b/Website: https://boardofed.idaho.gov

December 8, 202524 min

Redesigning Education in Oklahoma: Innovation, Literacy, and Technology With Dr. April Grace

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, former Idaho State Superintendent and host Tom Luna sits down with Dr. April Grace, Executive Director and CEO of the Oklahoma Public School Resource Center (OPSRC) and one of Oklahoma’s most respected education leaders. With more than 35 years in public education—including recognition as Oklahoma’s 2021 Superintendent of the Year. Dr. Grace brings deep experience in district leadership, HR, instructional design, policy development, and statewide system building.Tom and Dr. Grace dive into the critical challenges facing Oklahoma schools today, beginning with OPSRC’s mission to expand access, innovation, and academic achievement across all public schools—particularly in rural communities and small districts that often lack back-office capacity, legal support, or high-quality professional development. Dr. Grace explains how OPSRC delivers free training, leadership development, technical assistance, and grant-supported resources to ensure every student—no matter their ZIP code, has access to strong instruction and meaningful opportunities.A key focus of their conversation is the teacher pipeline crisis. Dr. Grace highlights Oklahoma's registered teacher apprenticeship program, a “grow-your-own” strategy helping paraprofessionals and community members earn degrees while working in schools. She also discusses OPSRC’s mentorship program for early-career teachers and the need to expand multi-year support to strengthen retention.The episode also explores literacy, AI, career pathways, and how Oklahoma schools are reimagining learning through aviation academies, VR science programs, and innovative technology tools built with safety and personalization in mind.Key Moments04:29 Teacher Apprenticeship Policy Updates09:24 "Expanding School Choice Opportunities"12:23 "AI and Evolving Education"16:27 "Prioritizing K-2 Foundational Skills"20:19 Oklahoma Schools Embrace Aviation Programs21:49 Kids Inspire HopeConnect with Dr. April GraceLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/april-grace-ed-d-21705b2a/ Website: https://www.ou.edu/

October 23, 202533 min

Why Parent Partnership and Honest Data Matter in Virginia’s Education Transformation

In this episode of "Swimming Upstream" host Tom Luna, sits down with Aimee Guidera, Virginia’s Secretary of Education, live from the ASU GSV conference in San Diego. As Guidera approaches the end of Governor Youngkin’s administration, she reflects on the challenges and achievements of transforming education in Virginia—a state with the unique constraint that its governor serves only one term.Guidera shares deep insights into her role overseeing education from early childhood through higher ed, emphasizing the urgent need for breaking down silos and preparing students for today’s rapidly evolving workforce. She highlights the innovative use of labor market data through the Virginia Office for Education Economics (VOE), which equips students, families, and institutions with actionable information to create responsive education strategies and align academic plans directly with regional job demands.Listeners will hear about Virginia’s overhaul of academic standards in core subjects, the process of benchmarking against national best practices, and the state’s renewed commitment to educational transparency. Guidera and Luna discuss the tough but vital decision to confront an “honesty gap” in student achievement reporting and the shift toward accountability systems focused on real outcomes rather than compliance.Guidera wraps up by sharing little-known facts about Virginia, adding a touch of state pride and history to this thoughtful and inspiring episode. Perfect for education leaders, policymakers, and anyone passionate about student success and innovation in public policy.Key Moments04:39 Virginia: Top State for Business & Education07:54 Empowering Informed Education Paths10:36 Enhancing Educational Standards Nationwide15:26 Challenging Misguided Perceptions17:58 Empowering Parents Post-COVID19:16 Enhancing Parent-Teacher Data Sharing23:16 Student Support: A Three-Legged Stool27:25 Virginia Launches Job Support Initiative29:13 Exploring Data’s Impact and ValueConnect with Aimee GuideraLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aimee-guidera-27a2646Website: https://www.governor.virginia.gov/

September 25, 202536 min

How Ford Is Quietly Transforming American High Schools

In this episode of Swimming Upstream, host Tom Luna sits down with Cheryl Carrier, Executive Director of Ford Next Generation Learning (Ford NGL), for a thought-provoking conversation recorded live at the ASU+GSV Summit. With a career rooted in public education and corporate innovation, Carrier brings a unique lens to one of education’s biggest challenges: how to make high school relevant for every student.Carrier shares the origin and evolution of the Ford NGL model—a nationally recognized framework designed to transform teaching and learning through career-themed academies that connect schools with local businesses, civic leaders, and community stakeholders. Drawing from years of implementation across diverse regions—from rural Idaho to urban Nashville—Carrier outlines Ford NGL’s three-part transformation framework and its five-phase roadmap, offering a blueprint for sustainable, community-driven school reform.This episode dives deep into how Ford NGL helps districts shift from siloed instruction to collaborative, real-world learning environments that spark student engagement, boost graduation rates, and create stronger pathways to college, career, and life. Carrier also opens up about her personal connection to the work, her roots in Michigan's auto industry, and the formative experiences that shaped her passion for authentic education.Key Moments05:10 Career Academy Model Benefits Students08:35 Self-Discovery and Career-Aligned Academies11:15 Transforming Education Through Collaboration13:43 Navigating Education Policy Barriers18:52 "Community Feedback on Transformation"21:00 "High-Level Executive Community Tracks"26:13 "Success of Career Academy Model"27:18 Community and Hands-on Learning30:15 Rural Education Challenges33:33 Community-Driven Educational ChangeConnect with Cheryl CarrierLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cheryl-carrier-fordngWebsite: https://fordngl.com/cheryl-carrier/

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