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June 11, 20261 hr 6 min

Selling Journey Management to Your VP / Journey Management Playbook S02E03

Want to secure executive buy-in? Stop waiting for a strategic brief from leadership, learn how to pitch solutions that solve your VP's biggest headache.Tired of doing incredible journey mapping work only to realize you still aren't invited to the room where important business decisions are made? In this episode of the Journey Management Playbook, Martin and I break down a highly specific, 5-slide pitch designed to get you a seat at the executive table. Learn how to stop being viewed as just the "journey maps person" and start navigating boardroom politics like a pro.in this episode Why asking your VP what could get them fired is the ultimate shortcut to tapping into executive urgency. A tactical, step-by-step breakdown of how to write your own strategic brief and present a high-value proposition.How to handle heavy pushback from stakeholders and turn a painful "no" into meaningful progress.How to reposition customer experience (CX) from a minor workshop activity into a core business solution.We’ve put together an Objection Response Cheat Sheet with the most common pushbacks and ways you can navigate them. You can download it for free using the link in the show notes.Enjoy and keep making a positive impact.~ Marc[1. LINKS 🔗 ]👉 Playbook Slides - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/-0sy8👉 Objection Response Cheat Sheet - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-11-objection-response-cheat-sheet-podcastThe Journey Management Playbook - https://www.theydo.com/resources/journey-management-playbook?utm_source=article&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=202605-Global-Marc[ 2. GUIDE 📺 ]00:00 Season 2 Recap02:00 Shifting Focus to Business Impact04:45 The CX Trust Gap Explained06:30 Breaking Out of the Workshop Box11:15 Creating a High-Value Proposition29:45 Repackaging for Time Constraints35:30 Surface vs. Root Cause Problems40:15 Aligning Strategy with Backlogs51:00 Re-evaluating Urgency55:30 Handling Objections & Silence57:00 Setting 90-Day Timelines1:00:00 Turbocharging Your Preparation1:02:45 Overcoming Presentation Rejection1:04:15 Wrap-Up--- [ 3. FIND THE SHOW ON ] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-11-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-11-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-11-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-11-snipd

June 4, 2026Episode 2551 hr 10 min

How AI is Changing the Rules of Service Design / Pablo / Ep. #255

If building digital products becomes instant and free, what happens to the value of a service designer? Discover why traditional discovery is under attack and how to survive the impending "Design Winter." The rapid trajectory of AI development has completely shifted the rules of corporate problem-solving. In this episode, host Marc van Tijn sits down with academic coordinator Pablo Fernández Vallejo to unpack the deep structural changes hitting the design industry. They move past basic chatbot hype to look at the realities of autonomous AI agents, shifting organizational power dynamics, and why designers must quickly transition from "authors" to "editors" to stay relevant. Here is what we cover:Why corporate obsession with cheap, instant builds risks turning upfront design discovery into an operational roadblock. Why automating the messy, time-consuming parts of qualitative work might actually cause our core design muscles to atrophy. How autonomous AI agents are forcing us to redesign websites and platforms for machine consumption instead of human eyes. How to harden your service ecosystems before competitors or angry clients launch automated, voice-cloned agent swarms to overwhelm support desks. Why the future belongs to designers who can let go of the static deliverable and focus on continuous, systemic agility. On a scale of 1-10, how fluent do you feel with AI as a design material right now? Let me know, I really do read and reply to all responses.Enjoy and keep making a positive impact!~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 25503:45 AI Velocity08:45 Future Job Market13:30 Productive Friction19:15 Impact on Designers23:15 What happens to our value 28:30 How we combat corporate Proto Bros34:00 Where we anchor the "real" domain of design36:45 Impact on Services37:30 Autonomous Agents 42:15 Designing AX 47:45 Ecosystem Defense 50:15 Broken Journey Maps52:00 Impact on Organizations56:30 Authors vs Editors --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/pablofernandezvallejoWebsite - https://www.fernandezvallejo.com/Watch Part 1 of Pablo's Previous Interview on AI on Service Design - https://youtu.be/B142M6lhac8?si=uUKREkC1wztjUSYj --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle--- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/255-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/255-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/255-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/255-snipd

May 28, 20261 hr 1 min

The Art of the "Sneaky" Service Designer / Inside Service Design / Max & Jennifer

What do you do when you want to drive human-centered change inside your organization, but you don't have the formal authority, you don't hold the budget, and you don't even have the official job title?To dive deeper into this strategy, I sat down with Max Seabrooke and Jennifer Kitchen.According to them, you stop asking for corporate permission and start getting a little bit sneaky. We step away from perfectly polished frameworks to look at the raw, political reality of practicing "undercover influence" from the inside out.In this episode, you will learn:How to quietly embed user-centric design into your organization without triggering corporate resistance or using confusing industry jargon.Why slowly building a toolkit of data on top of your company's existing expertise wins over skeptical executives.How to figure out exactly how other siloed teams measure their own success so you can align your project to their metrics.Why avoiding friction inside your team can quietly destroy project alignment and sabotage quality.So, if you want to hear raw, practical insights from professionals who are in the trenches every single day, you'll really like enjoy this one!I’m curious, if you don't have the official "Service Designer" title, what does your email signature currently say? Let me know.Enjoy the episode and keep making a positive impact.Be well, ~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to the April Round Up 202603:45 Career Paths to Service Design 05:30 Titles vs Doing the Role 06:15 Modern Human-Centered Design 07:15 UX Design for Kids 09:15 Supply Chain Overhauls 12:15 The Human Side of Blueprints 13:15 Product Repair Operations 15:30 Strategic Sneakiness 18:15 Fixing Complex Mergers 21:00 Politics as Design Material 21:45 Corporate Political Survival 24:15 Active Listening & Handoffs 28:30 Eliminating Corporate Jargon 33:45 Operational Alignment 39:15 Dangers of Toxic Politeness 44:15 Confronting Hard Truths 50:00 Customer Belief Toolkit 54:15 Leadership Evidence Layers --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/maxseabrookehttps://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-kitchen-studio --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle--- [ 4. FIND THE SHOW ON ] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-13-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-13-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-13-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-13-snipd

May 21, 2026Episode 2541 hr 0 min

What the Agentic Era Means for Service Design / John Ayers / Ep. #254

We are moving way past the point of just typing prompts into chat interfaces. We are entering the "agentic era," where a single person can deploy high-level AI agents who manage their own teams of digital workers underneath them.This shift is triggering a massive compression of skills, collapsing separate specialized roles into a single generalist function. If most service interactions shift to agent-to-agent communication, the human experience risks disappearing completely.In this episode, John Ayers joins Marc to explore how to help the "80% in the middle". The people who are curious but completely exhausted by the daily AI hype cycle. You'll learn how to take your existing mapping toolkit and adapt it to build "AI service blueprints," translating human personas directly into digital agents so we don't lose empathy.As you listen, think about John’s closing challenge: When the dust settles two years from now, what do you actually want your career to look like?Be well,~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 25401:00 Introducing John Ayers02:15 Reality vs AI Hype03:45 Lessons From Past Shifts07:15 Why AI is Different09:00 The Rapid Pace of AI11:30 The Shift to AI Agents13:15 Agent-to-Agent Decisions15:00 Building a Digital Workforce16:15 Domain Knowledge vs General AI18:00 Helping the Overwhelmed Majority26:00 Avoiding Fake AI29:15 The Governance Gap31:00 The New AI Giants34:00 Service Blueprinting for AI35:00 Anatomy of an AI Agent39:30 The Democratization Trap41:30 Human Skills vs Job Losses45:00 Stop Chasing Tech Tools46:30 Focus on Humans, Not Jargon51:45 Human Purpose in the AI Era54:30 Avoiding AI Burnout54:45 John’s Disruptor Confessions56:15 Asking the Hard Questions58:30 Wrap-Up and Community Call --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnlayers/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle--- [4. FIND THE SHOW ON] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/254-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/254-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/254-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/254-snipd

May 14, 20261 hr 5 min

How to Shift CX from a Cost Center to a Strategic Asset / Journey Management Playbook S02E02

Does your "Master Journey Map" just sit in a digital drawer? You aren’t alone. In this episode, we dive into "Journey Theater"— the trap of performing progress without moving the needle on business outcomes.We’re moving beyond "mapping for mapping’s sake." Learn how to shift from being a service provider to a strategic partner by building a living system that survives the next re-org.Watch this episode to learn:Why your budget holder is your real customerThe warning signs of Journey TheaterHow to shift from project cycles to an operational modelUsing the Journey Maturity Scorecard to track growthJust like the rest of the Playbook, this episode is best consumed as a video because we walk through specific examples, like the Journey Maturity Scorecard, on screen. If you’re listening on the go, you can always grab the slide deck from the show notes to follow along.Enjoy and keep making a positive impact!~ Marc--- [1. LINKS 🔗 ] --- Playbook Slides - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/xo964Sign up for TheyDo - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/scjwb Journey Health Scorecard - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-10-journey-health-scorecard-podcastThe Journey Management Playbook - https://www.theydo.com/resources/journey-management-playbook?utm_source=article&utm_medium=blog&utm_campaign=202605-Global-Marc--- [ 2. GUIDE 📺 ] ---00:00 Welcome to Journey Management Playbook S2E203:45 Internal Customer 05:30 Decision Maker Needs 07:15 Budget Agenda 10:30 Impact Over Selling 13:15 Organizational Friction 16:15 The Journey Scope 19:15 Journey Theater 21:00 Reporting Progress Live 26:45 Breaking Project Cycles 30:45 Quantifying Wins 40:15 Decision Context 41:30 Continuous Insights 42:45 Common Language 44:00 Cross Vertical Impact 45:30 Eight Success Steps 46:45 AI Data Leverage 48:00 Delivery Authority 49:15 Proactive Influence 50:30 Impact Focus 51:45 Six Month Strategy 53:00 Revenue vs Cost 54:15 Agenda Alignment 56:45 Management Maturity 58:00 Scaling Momentum 1:00:45 Journey Health Score 1:04:30 Summary and Next Steps --- [ 3. FIND THE SHOW ON ] --- Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-10-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-10-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-10-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-10-snipd

May 7, 20261 hr 2 min

Reclaiming Your Energy When Design Feels Like a Losing Battle / Sara / Ep. #253

Do you show up as an "A-student" constantly seeking the next gold star, only to feel personally attacked when your work is misunderstood? 🌟 In this episode, we tackle the "identity trap" in design and how to stay passionate without letting corporate exploitation drain your soulIn this episode, you'll learn:Why wrapping your personal value in professional output leads to burnout and frustration. How the constant need for "exceeds expectations" reviews can actually undermine your professional agency. Strategies to care deeply about your impact without letting it define your humanity. How to feel in control even when your leadership doesn't yet grasp the full value of what you bring to the tableOur guest: Sara Wachter-BoettcherSara is a vocal leader in the design community and the founder of Active Voice, where she has coached dozens of professionals through these exact challenges. She joins Marc to explore how to lean into conversations about value without feeling like you’re constantly pleading for your seat at the table.As you'll hear, Sara brings some "tough love" that helps you come out the other side more confident. It’s about learning to keep your side of the street clean, even when the organization around you feels messy. Enjoy and keep making a positive impact!Be well,~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 25303:30 The collective headspace of design today05:30 The impact of AI-related layoffs on design morale.08:15 Era of cheap money10:00 20-teens tech boom and its consequences15:00 The ROI trap and identity18:15 How shifting performance standards destabilize personal identity22:00 Breaking the spell of work identity24:45 Discomfort of realizing a job doesn't align with personal values33:00 Navigating organizational change38:45 Power mapping exercises44:45 Empathy for colleagues51:45 Concept of "humanizing" organizations to reduce isolation55:15 Radical act of clocking out57:00 Leadership without the ego59:15 Strategic patience in a crisis1:01:15 The value of the human behind the designer01:14:15 Question to ponder --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/saraboettcher --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle[4. FIND THE SHOW ON]Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/253-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/253-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/253-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/253-snipd

April 30, 202658 min

How to Thrive When Your Company Doesn't Get Service Design / Inside Service Design / Elle & Nick / Ep. #12

You look around the room and realize you’re the only one who cares about the customer. 😫 It’s exhausting to be the lone voice begging for user research while everyone else just wants to ship the next feature.In this episode, Elle Beaumont-Bilsby and Nick Gaff join the show to discuss the heavy lifting required to be an in-house service design practitioner. We move beyond "thick skin" and look at how to build a sustainable career in environments that don't fully understand design. You’ll learn:Why surviving as a lone wolf is impossible and how to locate "quiet allies" hidden in other departments.A practical framework for building resilience at an organizational, service, and personal level.How Elle and Nick practice high-impact design without having "Service Designer" on their business cards.Practical tips for staying sane and avoiding burnout when you are the only advocate for the user.How to find a support crew outside your organization to help you carry the weight.I'm curious, if you had to make a guess, how many people do you have around you inside your org that get it? 1, 5, 20... let me know.Enjoy the episode and keep making a positive impact.~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to the March Round Up01:45 Defining Resilience03:30 Service Design in Australia04:45 Elle’s Design Journey07:00 Nick’s Career Path09:00 Effects of Digitization11:00 Higher Ed Challenges12:30 Impact Over Tools14:00 The Resilient Self Season14:45 3 Altitudes Framework16:00 Organizational Resilience17:00 Resilient Service Design18:00 Personal Development19:15 Recharging and Self-Care20:00 Resilience as a Quality21:00 Individual Resilience Focus 24:15 Peer Support Systems 28:00 Navigating Corporate Culture 31:30 Vulnerability in Leadership 35:45 Building Internal Allies 39:00 Friday Afternoon Reflections 42:15 Success Beyond Metrics 45:30 Managing High-Stress Projects 49:00 Sustainable Innovation 52:15 Resilience as Design Criteria 56:45 Switching Off and Recharging --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/ellebeaumontbilsby/https://www.linkedin.com/in/ngaff/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle--- [ 4. FIND THE SHOW ON ] ---Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-12-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-12-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-12-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/inside-service-design-12-snipd

April 23, 2026Episode 25254 min

The Story Vacuum: Why User Research Isn’t Enough / Brian Whittaker / Ep. #252

Imagine making the cover of Time magazine...Okay, maybe not. Nobody gets into service design for the fame. Actually, as we’re always saying on the show, our best work is usually the stuff nobody notices.The spotlight stays on the CEOs. You rarely see the people in the trenches, the ones making sure the "faceless" public services we rely on actually work. Think about it for a moment, you can thank a mailman because he’s a human being standing on your porch in the rain. But when water is coming out of your faucet, there’s nobody to thank. It’s just "the system".That invisibility is exactly why people sometimes get hostile toward the government or big institutions. It's always "us versus them" because there’s no "them" to relate to.So our guest for this episode, Brian Whittaker, decided to change by starting a project called Humans of Public Service (HoPS).In this episode, we talk about the early days of the project and the weirdly difficult task of getting modest, quiet service design professionals to actually talk about themselves (on camera). He also shares hard won lessons on how he finally got the project to take off.It’s an inspiring conversation. It shows how much the vibe changes when you put a human face on a anonymous system. So if you’re trying to build empathy inside a big, messy organization, Brian’s blueprint really might just be what you need.While you’re listening, try to think of one "boring" story in your own org that deserves a spotlight. Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact!Be well,~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 25203:45 Family Roots in Service05:00 Current US Service Challenges07:30 Private to Public Transition10:00 Modernizing Federal Tech11:00 Passion of Public Servants13:30 The Shift in 202014:15 Humans of Public Service15:45 Growing on LinkedIn17:00 Amplifying Unheard Voices18:15 Shifting the Narrative21:30 Bridging the Empathy Gap25:45 The Power of Recognition32:45 Institutional Design38:30- Scaling Human Connection44:55 The Future of Service51:15 Advice for Change-Makers53:30 Final Reflections --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/bwhtt/ --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle[4. FIND THE SHOW ON]Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/252-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/252-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/252-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/252-snipd

April 16, 2026Episode 11 hr 15 min

Why Bad CX is Your Greatest Leverage Point / Journey Management Playbook / S2E01

How do you get your boss to actually fund journey management? 💰We’ve all felt the frustration of making an impressive map that everyone "likes" but nobody actually uses. when that happens, our practice loses credibility. Season 2 of the Journey Management Playbook is here to fix that by focusing on the BUSINESS CASE.What we cover in this episodeWhy journey management is a strategic asset, not a "nice-to-have."how to calculate the actual cost of bad customer experience.shifting the conversation from "fluffy" CX metrics to boardroom metrics.getting stakeholders to embrace a journey-led way of working.Martin Palamarz is the chief customer officer at TheyDo. he spends his time helping global organizations scale their CX efforts and understands the language of executive decision-making.It’s best to watch the video version on Youtube to see the examples on screen, but you can also find the slide deck in the show notes below.--- [ 1. LINKS ] ---Playbook Slides - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/tq4e4CX Cost Calculator - https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-cx-cost-calculator-podcastThe Journey Management Playbook - https://www.theydo.com/resources/journey-management-playbook--- [ 2. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Journey Management Playbook S2E0102:00 Martin's background04:30 Origin story of TheyDo06:45 Series overview: CX costs08:45 The CX Toolkit10:00 Bridging the gap13:45 Forrester research findings16:30 CX & business performance19:30 The Norway story23:00 Boardroom metrics30:45 The Cost of Bad CX38:30 High-value journey steps40:30 Drop Off Rate Explained42:30 "Nice-to-have" trap48:15 Service design & revenue50:00 Starting small52:15 Mckinsey research57:30 AI for customer data1:00:00 3-minute executive reports1:01:30 Ticket value & variables1:08:30 Bad CX VS. CX Investment1:12:00 Building momentum1:14:00 the final challenge--- [ 3. FIND THE SHOW ON ] --- Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/journey-management-playbook-09-snipd

April 9, 2026Episode 2511 hr 10 min

Why "Being Human" is Your Only Future-Proof Skill / Nav Qirti / Episode #251

Our brains were not designed for this pace... Just think about it. For thousands of years, humans had ages to adapt to new technology. When we discovered fire or the steam engine, we had generations to figure out the implications.Today, things are shifting so fast that trying to keep up by just "learning more stuff" feels biologically impossible. At least to me 🤣It’s like you’re trying to run 2026 apps on the operating system of a legendary—but limited—Nokia 3310 phone.So, for this episode, I sat down with Nav Qirti from the School of Metaskills to talk about why we’re looking at the "skills gap" all wrong.Nav argues that we should stop chasing "functional skills" (which have a very short shelf life anyway) and focus on the things technology can't touch: judgment, curiosity, and reasoning.We also dive into why you can’t just read a book to get better at empathy or judgment. Nav explains that you need a "proxy environment" to train those muscles. Most professionals I know practice by just following a script, but Nav shows us how to build the mental strength behind the craft.This conversation offers an optimistic path forward by focusing on the core human abilities that technology simply cannot replace.Which of your "mental muscles" feels a bit weak lately? If you’ve got a moment, leave a comment below and let me know. I’d love to hear what a "workout" would actually look like for you 🙂Enjoy the conversation and keep making a positive impact.Be well, ~ Marc--- [ 1. GUIDE ] --- 00:00 Welcome to Episode 25104:00 The Falling Behind Puzzle05:30 6Adapting to AI08:15 Seeing what matters10:15 Obsolete hard skills12:30 Outdated learning models15:00 The 90/10 Imbalance16:45 Bucketing Skills17:15 Communication as a base19:00 Human survival traits21:15 Building capacity25:45 Expertise vs. scripts29:15 Measuring the wrong things37:30 Leadership and meta-skills39:45 The shift from "doing" to "leading"42:15 Why technical expertise has a ceiling45:00 Identifying your personal meta-skill gaps48:15 Low-stakes practice50:00 Defining Proxy Environments51:30 How to practice judgment daily55:15 Building empathy without the pressure58:15 Anxiety to Control59:00 Reframing the AI threat1:01:00 Focusing on the human operating system1:02:15 Regaining professional confidence1:02:30 Closing thoughts --- [ 2. LINKS ] --- https://www.linkedin.com/in/navqirti/www.navqirti.comwww.metaskills.globalSkills to make us future ready & future relevant --- [ 3. CIRCLE ] --- Join our private community for in-house service design professionals. ⁠https://servicedesignshow.com/circle[4. FIND THE SHOW ON]Youtube ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-youtubeSpotify ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-spotifyApple ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-appleSnipd ~ https://go.servicedesignshow.com/251-snipd