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In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war. Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines. Aaron MacLean is a former senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps. Visit our Substack for episode transcripts Follow along on Instagram

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October 16, 20261 hr 7 min

The Making of Xi Jinping

During the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese Communist Party purged Xi Jinping’s father and subjected him to 16 years of persecution and imprisonment—so how did the current president of China emerge more devoted to the party than ever? “It’s like a comic book villain origin story,” says Aaron MacLean. Today, Joseph Torigian, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and author of The Party’s Interests Come First: The Life of Xi Zhongxun, Father of Xi Jinping, joins School of War to explore the strange and dark story of China’s current president, the brutality of Mao’s China, and how it all shaped the power dynamics in Beijing today. 03:24 – The Xi Family and Communist Loyalty 08:14 – Why Xi Jinping Never Abandoned the Party 10:05 – China's Revolutionary Origins 13:23 – The Books That Shaped Xi Jinping 18:34 – Why China Embraced Communism 22:13 – Xi Zhongxun's Rise and Near-Execution 29:21 – Mao's Loyalty Test 35:30 – The Great Leap Forward and Famine 45:14 – Xi Jinping's Brutal Childhood 47:38 – His Father's 16 Years of Persecution 52:11 – Mao and the Cultural Revolution 59:17 – The Xi Family's Tragedy This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

October 13, 20261 hr 3 min

When, Not If: The Baltics Prepare for War

In the Baltics, war with Russia is no abstraction. Putin could take Lithuania’s capital if he achieved surprise, the nation’s army commander told Aaron MacLean. This week, Aaron travels through Lithuania and Latvia to speak with Brigadier General Nerijus Stankevičius, Lithuanian defense Minister Robertas Kaunas, and Latvian foreign minister Baiba Braže about why Lithuania is amending its constitution to allow weapons of mass destruction on its soil, what schoolchildren are learning in their war-preparedness exercises, and what each country is doing now to make sure they’re ready if war comes.  02:58 — Brig. Gen. Nerijus Stankevičius 04:25 — Russia Could Take Vilnius 06:03 — How Lithuania Would Fight 09:58 — “Never Again” 14:14 — Robertas Kaunas, Lithuania’s Defense Strategy 17:28 — Drones, AI & the Eastern Flank 22:31 — Nuclear Deterrence 23:58 — Preparing the Whole Country 29:16 — A Message to Putin 31:29 — Baiba Braže, Latvia on the Front Line 36:12 — Drones Over Latvia 37:28 — Joining Latvia’s National Guard 40:30 — Russia’s “Sub-Conventional” War 48:46 — What If Russia Wins in Ukraine? 55:54 — Can Russia Be Pressured Into Peace?  This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

October 9, 202649 min

Rebuilding America’s War Machine

America is running low on munitions, its shipyards can’t keep pace, and the materials its weapons depend on too often run through China. Michael Cadenazzi is the Pentagon official charged with turning that around, putting billions of dollars behind the factories, materials, and supply chains that make America’s military power possible. He joins School of War to explain how the Pentagon plans to ramp up weapons production, attract private investment, and break decades of bad habits in how the Pentagon does business. Cadenazzi is confident America can still mobilize its industrial might for a major war, but he warns that waiting until the shooting starts would be “way more expensive in blood and treasure.” The race to rearm is on, and the question is whether America can win it before the next great-power war begins.  03:40 – America's Industrial Decline 06:15 – Dependence on China 09:12 – Pentagon Spending 12:40 – Rare Earth Production 16:59 – Defense Supply Chains 20:41 – Weapons Manufacturing 23:26 – High-End Weapons vs. Mass 28:01 – Blood and Treasure 31:56 – Private Investment 34:58 – Outproducing China 41:29 – Pentagon Equity Stakes 45:00 – Managing Investments This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

October 8, 202635 min

What Happened Inside Russia’s Plague Lab?

A young researcher in Siberia has died under mysterious circumstances, raising questions about a potential lab leak. Russia won’t say how it happened. Marshall Billingslea, former Special Presidential Envoy for Arms Control, says Moscow has scrubbed news reports, had officials walk back talk of an outbreak, and kept the World Health Organization in the dark. He joins School of War to fill in what the Kremlin won’t, taking us inside Russia’s expanding bioweapons program and the institute at the heart of the mystery, which defectors say ran a covert effort to weaponize the disease and make it resistant to antibiotics. He also explains how Moscow thinks about using these weapons, how China is building a program of its own, and why the most frightening of them pose a risk even nuclear weapons don’t. 2:32 — Mystery at a Russian Plague Lab 5:29 — Russia’s Bioweapons Program 7:14 — Weaponizing Plague 10:39 — How Russia Would Use Bioweapons 13:01 — Smallpox and Ebola 15:07 — Controlling the Spread 16:40 — “Your Vaccines Wouldn’t Have Worked” 18:20 — A Soviet Bioweapons Defector 20:30 — Why Bioweapons Bans Are Hard to Verify 24:58 — Irkutsk and Wuhan 29:48 — Another Pandemic? 32:45 — China and North Korea This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

October 6, 202645 min

Michael Oren: October 7 and the Cost of Defending Israel

Three years after October 7, the deadliest terror attack in Israeli history looms large over the Jewish state’s upcoming election. Former Israeli ambassador to the U.S. Michael Oren says whomever takes the helm next is unlikely to “remove a single soldier from Lebanon, from Gaza, from Syria.” Today, Oren joins School of War to discuss Israel’s “80 percent” consensus on national security, why he thinks Hezbollah “cannot be destroyed militarily,” and the deepening political divide between religious Zionists and ultra-Orthodox Jews over the Jewish state’s future.  3:33 How October 7 Changed Israel 8:54 The Ultra-Orthodox Draft Fight 13:52 Israel’s Election and the Draft 17:17 Why the Ultra-Orthodox Don’t Serve 19:17 Oren's Path to the IDF 24:45 How Israel Defeated Hezbollah 26:50 Israel’s New Security Consensus 29:58 Can Iran Survive the Blockade? 32:40 What Comes Next in Gaza? 34:52 Hunting the October 7 Terrorists 37:02 Why Michael Oren Chose Israel 41:11 What Happens if Iran’s Regime Falls? This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

October 2, 20261 hr 2 min

What the Dutch Empire Reveals About America Today

How do you fight a superpower you can’t afford to stop trading with? The Dutch faced that problem at the start of the 17th century in their war against Spain, and their answer was the Dutch West India Company, a business built to wage war. Alexander Bick, a historian who served on the National Security Council under Barack Obama and Joe Biden, joins School of War to discuss his new book, Minutes of Empire. He explains how the company helped secure Dutch independence and why the Dutch kept trading with Spain while fighting it, taxing certain exports to “plow that money back into the military,” and what that reveals about America’s tangled relationship with China. All of which raises a question about Donald Trump’s foreign policy: Is America reviving an older style of empire? 02:52 — The Rise of the Dutch Republic 06:25 — How Dutch Trading Companies Began 09:47 — Shareholder Profits vs. National Strategy 11:59 — Who Invested in the Company? 14:33 — Challenging Spain in the New World 19:19 — The Costs of Conquering Brazil 22:49 — Who Ran the West India Company? 31:58 — Business Failure, Strategic Success 39:36 — The Dutch Legacy in Britain 43:16 — America and Trading with the Enemy 49:13 — Biden and Trump: What Changed? 55:30 — Trump, Venezuelan Oil, and Empire This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

September 29, 20261 hr 14 min

How the Middle East Got So Screwed Up, with Simon Sebag Montefiore

“Let’s whisper it,” said historian Simon Sebag Montefiore. “The Trump blockade is working.” It can be hard to parse the state of play in the Middle East amid escalating rhetoric, but history gives us the necessary perspective to call balls and strikes in the present day. Today, the author of The Cauldron: The Making of the Modern Middle East joins School of War to discuss the forces that created the modern Middle East, why he thinks Trump’s strategy in Iran is working, and the growing rivalry between Israel and Turkey. “There is a real danger that Erdoğan will talk himself into a war with Israel,” he warns. 05:22 — The Middle East Is Not Monochrome   09:49 — Four Eras of the Modern Middle East   11:45 — The Problem With Nation-States   18:30 — Why 1979 Changed the Middle East   25:22 — Can Iran’s Revolution Survive Regime Change?   34:28 — Iran, Hormuz, and the Nuclear Question   39:57 — Could Iran’s Regime Reach a Breaking Point?   44:42 — Why Iran’s Regime Is Built for War   50:46 — Trump, Soleimani, and the 12-Day War   52:28 — Can the Iran Blockade Work?   54:23 — Israel’s Post–October 7 Grand Strategy   1:04:56 — Israel, Turkey, and Erdoğan’s Neo-Ottoman Ambitions This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

September 25, 202647 min

America’s Aging Shipyards Are a Crisis Waiting to Happen

If America wants to defend Taiwan’s sovereignty, it needs to build more warships. China currently dominates global shipbuilding—producing vessels at a scale the United States can no longer match. Alex Wong, an executive at South Korean shipbuilding giant Hanwha Group and a former Trump administration national security adviser, thinks he has the solution. Today, Wong joins Aaron MacLean to discuss how the United States lost its shipbuilding capacity, how South Korean technology and investment could help revive American shipyards, and what it will take to rebuild the country’s naval industrial base. “America doesn’t have 20 years” to regain its maritime dominance, he warns.  02:23 — America’s Shipbuilding Crisis 05:44 — How America Lost Its Shipbuilding Industry 09:43 — Why Commercial Shipbuilding Matters to the Navy 12:28 — America vs. China’s Shipbuilding Capacity 13:54 — Rebuilding America’s Shipyards 16:16 — Robots and the Future of Shipbuilding 23:52 — Rebuilding America’s Shipbuilding Workforce 29:11 — Building Ships for Golden Dome 30:11 — Can America Build Enough Ships? 32:46 — Replacing Ships in Wartime 34:54 — Trump, Kim Jong Un, and North Korea 43:06 — Taiwan, Korea, and a Two-Front Crisis This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

September 22, 202648 min

The Middle East After America?

Could Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey form a “Muslim NATO?” Pakistan has the nuclear arsenal, Saudi Arabia has the wealth, and Turkey has the NATO-trained military—“you put these three together and it becomes a pretty formidable force,” says CBS News senior foreign correspondent Imtiaz Tyab. Today, he joins School of War to discuss whether the pact could really become an effective alliance, what the effort reveals about America’s changing role in the Middle East, and what five years of Taliban rule have meant for Afghanistan: “I’ve never seen the Taliban more confident,” he said. 02:14 — Reporting From Afghanistan 05:42 — The War in Afghanistan 11:29 — A More Confident Taliban 13:09 — Life Under Taliban Rule 16:13 — Afghanistan’s Secret Girls’ Schools 20:26 — Letters From Afghan Girls 25:30 — Afghanistan Under the Taliban 28:47 — A Girl’s Plea to the World 30:07 — The Pakistan-Saudi-Turkey Alliance 31:47 — A “Muslim NATO”? 40:33 — The Abraham Accords 44:27 — Testing the New Defense Pact This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

September 18, 202659 min

Why John Boyd Still Matters

John Boyd was one of the most influential military thinkers of the 20th century, and the intellectual godfather of the U.S. Marines’ military strategy. Today, as artificial intelligence continues to transform battlefields in Ukraine and the Middle East, author and retired Marine officer Ian Brown argues that Boyd’s ideas are more relevant than ever. Today, Brown joins Aaron MacLean to discuss how Ukraine is harnessing Boyd’s concept of narrative warfare, what Boyd can teach us about conflict in the age of AI, drones, and precision strikes, and his new book co-authored with Frans P. B. Osinga, Snowmobiles and Grand Ideals. 2:20 Who Was John Boyd?7:25 What Boyd Learned From Dogfighting15:37 From Air Combat to the OODA Loop23:49 Is the OODA Loop Really About Speed?29:33 What Do Blitzkrieg and Insurgency Have in Common?36:44 Surfaces and Gaps41:25 Why Did the Marine Corps Embrace Boyd?48:25 The Marine Corps’ Warfighting Doctrine50:25 Does Modern Warfare Challenge Boyd?53:18 Information as a Weapon53:53 Boyd’s Ideas Meet Drone Warfare54:55 From Nagorno-Karabakh to Ukraine This episode of School of War is brought to you by Maven Smart System, the builder platform for the American warfighter, fielded across the force and live on the frontline today. Learn more at palantir.com. This episode of School of War is also brought to you by Stratolaunch, a leading pure-play hypersonics company.  Stratolaunch helps the U.S. and its allies move new hypersonic technologies from concept to capability, faster and cheaper.  Learn more about how Stratolaunch is accelerating the future of hypersonics at Stratolaunch.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices