Relationship Matters

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Oct 2026

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We believe Relationship Matters, from humanity to nature, to the larger whole.

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November 4, 2026Episode 1536 min

7.14 Courageous Authenticity

7.14 Courageous Authenticity with Thouraya Sayess In this episode, Katie speaks with Thouraya Sayess about courageous authenticity and the positive impact it can have within relationship systems. Courageous authenticity is boldly speaking to unpopular or less-heard voices within a system; saying that you don’t like an idea or delivering difficult feedback. When we avoid having these difficult conversations, we can create more disruption within the relationship. Throughout this conversation, Thouraya and Katie talk about ways we can all unlock our own version of courageous authenticity in order to empower and evolve the systems within which we live and work. Thouraya Sayess leverages science-based approaches to help top executives, government advisers, entrepreneurs, and teams from the public, private and third sectors in building transformational leadership skills, emotional literacy, and highly impactful organizational and team development. Her background in strategy, coupled with her MBA studies and coaching career, give her an edge in bridging the strategic aspirations of organizations with people-centric solutions. She has worked with leaders from a variety of cultures and 100+ nationalities. Organization and Relationship Systems (ORSC™) has transformed Thouraya’s capacity to navigate conflict, embrace change, and unlock the brilliance of her relationship systems. She is passionate about spreading ORSC magic into the world. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

October 21, 2026Episode 1428 min

7.13 Partner as a Truth Teller

7.13. Partner as a Truth Teller with Sandra Cain In this episode, Katie talks with CRR Global senior faculty member Sandra Cain about seeing our relationships as a teacher. If we choose to look, our partners reveal truths to us. What qualities catch our attention in the people around us, and how can we use this as a doorway to exploring our relationship with ourselves? Links to Sandra's previous appearances on the podcast: Finding Right in Relationship Crossing Edges and Returning to the Office Parenting with a Systems Coaching Lens Sandra Cain partners with individuals, partnerships and teams to increase their awareness of their strengths and challenges, boosting effectiveness while also bringing lightness and humor. She incorporates a systems theory approach that reveals potential and resolves conflict. In addition to coaching teams, partnerships and individuals, Sandra’s strengths include team building, leadership development, change management and quoting lines from Monty Python movies. When not working, you’ll find Sandra breaking up a fight between her two cats, hiking or zooming on a river in a vintage speedboat. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

October 7, 2026Episode 1243 min

7.12 The Magic and Mystery of Coaching Supervision

In this episode, Katie talks with coach supervisor Kat Hay about the magic and mystery that lives within supervision and the supervisory relationship. Across this conversation, they explore the evolution from coach to supervisor and what it takes to be a supervisory space holder. Coach supervision isn’t advanced coaching; it transcends and includes coaching by expanding on systemic awareness and space holding and utilises everything that shows up within the supervisory relationship. Instead of reaching a goal, we work thematically, exploring the bigger narrative arcs and themes in the supervisee’s life. Kat Hay’s intuitive ability is a focal point in supporting supervisees to check their own beliefs, rebut assumptions, get curious and embrace personal well-being in order to have a clearer mental space for the complexities of their clients and teams. Her supervision philosophy has three essential cornerstones: presence, self-awareness and courage. Kat has an unshakeable belief in systems-inspired wisdom, the interconnectedness of all things and a greater consciousness for the sake of a better world. She thrives on making a difference by evolving coaches to develop and blossom into global stewards with systemic perspectives. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

September 23, 2026Episode 1128 min

7.11 Living on the Edge with Zana Goic Petricevic

Zana Goic Petricevic and host Katie Churchman build on a previous conversation about leading on the edge, In considering how we can expand this principle into our lives, they: explore ways to embrace change in our lives to create more fulfilling, authentic, and connected experiences. share examples from their own lives where embracing change has been transformative discuss how they stay motivated in the face of the uncertainty that accompanies significant change. Listen to Zana's previous episode, Part 1 of this conversation: Leading on the Edge Zana Goic Petricevic is a visionary leadership coach, author, and consultant with nearly two decades of experience empowering individuals and teams to lead with boldness and integrity. With her impressive background in corporate communications and a unique approach that combines strategic insight with deep, vulnerable conversations, Zana inspires C-suite executives and mission-driven organizations across the globe to disrupt the status quo and unlock their highest potential. She's the mastermind behind the SOUL Framework and the author of insightful books like “Bold Reinvented” and “Leading on the Edge.” For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

September 9, 2026Episode 1036 min

7.10 Leading on the Edge

Season 7 Episode 10: Leading on the Edge with Zana Goic Petricevic. In this episode, Katie Churchman speaks with Zana Goic Petricevic about the transformative power of leading from the edge. The only constant in life is change. In this empowering discussion, Zana and Katie explore how to view change as an ally and how to consciously and intentionally move forward in the face of change. This conversation will provide leaders with a roadmap for embracing change thoughtfully and purposefully, encouraging them to adopt bold, game-changing ideas that can create extraordinary impact. Zana Goic Petricevic is a visionary leadership coach, author, and consultant with nearly two decades of experience empowering individuals and teams to lead with boldness and integrity. With her impressive background in corporate communications and a unique approach that combines strategic insight with deep, vulnerable conversations, Zana inspires C-suite executives and mission-driven organizations across the globe to disrupt the status quo and unlock their highest potential. She's the mastermind behind the SOUL Framework and the author of insightful books like “Bold Reinvented” and “Leading on the Edge.” For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

July 29, 2026Episode 946 min

7.9 Worldwork Reimagined

Season 7 Episode 9: Worldwork Reimagined with Michelle Davis Throughout this powerful conversation, Michelle Davis, CRR Global's Director of Strategic Worldwork and podcast host Katie Churchman reimagine what worldwork could look like if it were embodied and lived. As opposed to being something we do, how can worldwork be an expression of how we relate to people, projects and the world around us? Worldwork (originally conceptualized by Dr. Arnold Mindell and Dr. Amy Mindell) is a systemic approach and awareness stance for engaging with human relationship systems. It brings attention to both the individual and the collective, helping people work with the dynamics of conflict, identity, culture, emotion and power. Worldwork draws from psychology, ecology and social theory to understand how personal experience and larger social forces shape the way groups, partnerships, communities and organizations evolve. It also helps us to notice how a system expresses itself through roles, signals, patterns and emotional fields. Worldwork Reimagined recognizes that each of us continually influences the systems we inhabit, whether we are aware of it or not. Although this influence can lead to significant acts of service or community engagement, worldwork always begins with the self. Personal awareness, responsibility and intentional choice form the foundation of meaningful systemic impact. Michelle Davis is a leadership coach, systems thinker, and champion for connection across differences. As Director of Strategic Worldwork and a faculty member at CRR Global, Michelle empowers leaders and teams to bridge divides, transform conflict and co-create a more just future. With a background in counseling and deep expertise in relationship systems coaching, she helps groups surface hidden barriers and build authentic, purpose-driven collaboration. Guided by values of justice, integrity and love, Michelle is here to help us reimagine what’s possible—together. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

July 15, 2026Episode 831 min

7.8 Finding Right in Relationship

Season 7 Episode 8: Finding Right in Relationship with Sandra Cain. In this episode, Katie welcomes CRR Global faculty member, Sandra Cain to the show to talk about finding ‘right’ in a relationship. This is a playful and exploratory conversation in which Sandra and Katie share some of their own, not-so-flattering examples of times when they were so focused on being right that they lost sight of the relationship. Links to Sandra's previous appearances on the podcast: Crossing Edges and Returning to the Office Parenting with a Systems Coaching Lens Sandra Cain partners with individuals, partnerships and teams to increase their awareness of their strengths and challenges, boosting effectiveness while also bringing lightness and humor. She incorporates a systems theory approach that reveals potential and resolves conflict. In addition to coaching teams, partnerships and individuals, Sandra’s strengths include team building, leadership development, change management and quoting lines from Monty Python movies. When not working, you’ll find Sandra breaking up a fight between her two cats, hiking or zooming on a river in a vintage speedboat. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

July 1, 2026Episode 737 min

7.7 Grief as a Portal to the Dream

Season 7 Episode 7: Grief as a Portal to the Dream with Marita Fridjhon. Grief is everywhere right now. Across the globe, people are mourning what has been lost—lives, livelihoods, ecosystems, certainties and futures they once imagined would be possible. Some losses are sudden and visible. Others are slow, ambiguous and harder to name. What makes this moment particularly challenging is that much of the grief we are carrying has no clear ritual, no shared language and no agreed-upon timeline. We are grieving while still expected to perform, adapt, and move forward. In systems, unacknowledged grief does not disappear. It goes underground. And from there, it shapes behavior, culture and decision-making. To work with the dreaming nature of systems, we must learn to meet grief not as an obstacle, but as a portal. Marita Fridjhon is the co-founder of CRR Global and co-creator of Organization and Relationship Systems Coaching (ORSC™), the first systems coaching methodology accredited by the International Coaching Federation. A veteran coach and respected thought leader, Marita has spent more than three decades developing approaches that strengthen systemic intelligence in individuals, teams and organizations. She serves as a mentor and inspiration to a growing global community of practitioners in relationship systems work. Marita’s current work focuses on Systems Inspired Evolution, an approach centered on meeting, revealing, aligning and attending to the unseen dynamics that shape collective behavior. She is the co-author of the books Systems Inspired Leadership and Creating Intelligent Teams and the co-creator of the Systems Inspired Supervision model together with Sunčica Getter. Read Marita's article: https://systemsinspiredevolution.substack.com/p/grief-as-portal-to-the-dream For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

June 17, 2026Episode 634 min

7.6 Imagination in Relationship

Season 7 Episode 6: Imagination in Relationship with Nairy McMahon. Nairy McMahon, Head of CRR UK, and Katie speak about the importance of imagination in relationships. When we outsource our imagination to other people, technologies, and systems, do we give away our power and our ability to dream beyond our current paradigm? In this playful and explorative discussion, Nairy and Katie look at imagination in relationships using the Three Levels of Reality model, covering how consensus relationships, dreaming, and essence impact our ability to imagine, and discuss ways to bring imagination back into our relationships and our lives. Nairy McMahon is the head of CRR UK, a CRR Global faculty member, and a certified coach who specializes in supporting boards, C-suites, and executive teams through complex transitions. She partners with leaders navigating mergers, restructuring, funding challenges, and ambitious strategies, helping them stay in relationship through the tensions of transformation. She partners with leaders navigating mergers, restructuring, funding challenges, and ambitious strategies, helping them maintain strong relationships even through the tensions of transformation. Nairy’s work is all about expanding leadership capacity to meet today’s challenges and step courageously into the unknown. She’s passionate about weaving strategy and culture together, supporting organizations in creating purposeful, life-giving futures. Nairy brings a relational lens to every engagement, turning expertise into impact and helping vision take root in strong cultures. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems-Inspired Coaching and Leadership.

June 3, 2026Episode 536 min

7.5 Connection Empowers Us

Connection Empowers with Duncan Müller. In this Connection Empowers Us episode, Katie Churchman talks with CRR Global faculty member Duncan Müller about how we can use connection to deepen our relationships. Throughout the conversation, Duncan and Katie explore how connecting with ourselves helps us connect more deeply with others. The more we hold within ourselves, the more we can hold for others, too. So how can we continue to deepen our connection, including noticing when we are disconnected from ourselves too? Duncan Müller is a systems-inspired coach on a mission to help teams and leaders work smarter, lead with courage, and stay true to themselves. With over 20 years of corporate experience and a toolkit of top coaching credentials, Duncan empowers global teams to connect, challenge, and create real change. Known for blending empathy and courage, he inspires leaders to be authentic, speak up, and build workplaces where curiosity, freedom, and respect fuel transformation. For over 20 years, CRR Global has accompanied leaders, teams, and practitioners on their journey to build stronger relationships by focusing on the relationship itself, not only the individuals occupying it. This leads to a community of changemakers around the world. Supported by a global network of faculty and partners, we connect, inspire and equip change agents to shift systems, one relationship at a time. CRR Global is the Institute for Systems Inspired Coaching and Leadership.