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REFS NEED LOVE TOO

REFS NEED LOVE TOO

Hosted by David Gerson

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112

Latest episode

Aug 2026

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About the show

An honest perspective from the 3rd team on the pitch... the referees. Through humor, analysis and education, we are slowly changing how people view referees and officials in all sports. We care and have a love for the game as much as any player or coach. Sometimes even more. Youth soccer (proper football) is a multi-billion $ industry in the US. Tremendous money is spent on players, competitions, travel etc., but almost nothing spent on developing the next generation of referees. I hope that this Podcast inspires, educates and humanizes the next generation of referees for their own development and appreciation from the players, coaches and spectators they need to work alongside.

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August 14, 202649 min

Heat, Hustle, And The Referee’s Limit & Guest on the Powershift Mindshift Podcast with Coach Jay

Send us Fan MailFour games. Full sun. Ninety degrees. And not a single real break between assignments. We’re talking about the part of soccer nobody wants to face until it goes wrong: extreme heat, overloaded referee schedules, and why the current setup can push officials toward dangerous decisions and real health risk, especially on turf that can feel like 140 degrees at field level. If you’ve ever wondered how referees are supposed to stay sharp, fair, and safe when the calendar is packed for tournament profit, you’ll hear the unfiltered reality here. From there, we get into the surprising truth about youth soccer officiating: U12 can feel tougher than U17. Not because of speed, but because of unpredictable bounces, awkward contact, tight spaces, and parents close enough to comment on every moment. We also unpack how assigners and leagues can set young officials up for failure when experience doesn’t match the intensity of the match, and what “respect for the game” looks like in practice: preparation, fitness, movement, and treating every level like it matters. I was recently a guest on the Powershift Mindset podcast hosted by Coach Jay. We dug into high school soccer vs USSF, including why handball arguments explode and how simple referee communication (voice, signals, and quick explanations) can shut down dissent before it spreads. If you’re a referee, coach, or soccer parent, you’ll leave with concrete tools for match management, cautions, and calmer sidelines, plus a better understanding of what officials are balancing every minute. Subscribe for more real referee talk, share this with your referee crew, and leave a review. What’s the hardest environment you’ve seen for officials: turf heat, U12 sidelines, or high school coaches?Support the show

August 4, 202644 min

How Three Young Referees Are Helping Launch An HBCU Soccer Program

Send us Fan MailYou can feel it right away: this isn’t a normal college soccer conversation. We’re talking with Morgan Dunham, Zachary Eggeston, and Kingston McDonald as they help launch the brand-new Tuskegee Golden Tigers men’s and women’s soccer programs, stepping onto campus as the first wave of players tasked with building an NCAA team culture from nothing. No hand-me-down traditions, no “ask the seniors,” just a blank slate and the pressure of knowing every standard they set becomes part of the program’s identity.What makes their perspective even sharper is that they’re not only players; they’re referees too. We get into what it’s like living on both sides of the whistle: how knowledge changes decision-making on the field, why arguing rarely helps, and how referee abuse can either break your confidence or forge it. They share real stories of big offside decisions, chaotic moments, and the mindset it takes to make a call with people in your face and still stay composed.We also zoom out to the bigger picture of soccer in the United States: the pay-to-play problem, the way cost pushes talented kids out of the sport, and why the World Cup and growing diversity in U.S. Soccer could be a turning point for access in Black communities and beyond. You’ll also hear how a docuseries will follow the team through this first season and how fans can track their progress.To follow their journey on Insta:@skegeemsoccer@skegeewsoc Subscribe for more real soccer and refereeing stories, share this with someone who cares about access and development, and leave a review with your take: what would it take to make youth soccer affordable where you live?Support the show

July 18, 20261 hr 1 min

New Laws of the Game 2026/27 with Nathan Magill, Director of Education from US Soccer

Send us Fan MailFive seconds. That’s the new line between “let’s get on with it” and a restart that flips against you. We sit down with Nathan McGill, Director of Referee Education and Development at U.S. Soccer, to unpack the IFAB Laws of the Game 2026-2027 changes that will hit community matches fast, especially anything related to time wasting, match tempo, and ball-in-play time. If you referee youth soccer, adult amateur, or semi-pro games, this conversation is designed to help you walk onto the field on day one with a clear plan and confident communication.We break down the practical mechanics behind the five-second countdown on throw-ins and goal kicks, including the key question every referee is asking: when does the count actually start? Nathan explains why the whistle matters when the ball is dead, why the count can begin before the ball is in the thrower’s hands, and how U.S. Soccer wants referees to use visible and verbal communication to reduce surprises and conflict. We also dig into the tactical impact of a delayed goal kick becoming a corner kick, and what that means for coaches who still teach “wait, then go long” at the end of matches.From there, we tackle the tougher grassroots challenges: the 10-second substitution expectation and the consequence that can leave a team short for a full minute, plus injury management when a trainer enters the field and the one-minute off-field requirement with important exceptions. We also clarify Law 4 updates on jewelry and accessories, highlight the DOGSO advantage update when a goal is scored, and get Nathan’s take on body cameras and the push for captain-only communication to cut dissent.If you want the clearest path to consistent, safe, fair match control under the new rules, this is your playbook. Subscribe, share this with your referee crew, and leave a review with the law change you think will cause the most confusion in August.Support the show

July 9, 202637 min

World Cup Officiating Insights with Alan Kelly - PRO Director of Senior Match Officials and Former FIFA Referee

Send us Fan MailThe World Cup can make even experienced fans feel like the rules changed overnight. Players stay on their feet more, restarts happen faster, and referees seem more willing to let contact go without losing control. That’s not an accident, and I wanted a real expert to explain what’s happening and why it matters.I’m joined by Alan Kelly, a former FIFA referee and the Director of Senior Match Officials at PRO, the organization responsible for training and assigning top professional referees in the United States. Alan shares what it’s like watching the tournament from the stands while still evaluating the craft, plus why having so many PRO officials working the World Cup is a major milestone. We dig into the bigger story behind modern soccer officiating: credibility comes from reading the game early, moving proactively to create clean angles, and communicating in ways that prevent chaos rather than react to it.We also get into the practical stuff fans are noticing right now, including stronger crackdowns on time wasting, quicker substitutions, off-field treatment requirements, and visible counts on restarts that keep the ball in play. Then we talk ref cam and why first-person footage can change referee education at every level by showing what the referee could and couldn’t see. We wrap with one of the best development tips I’ve heard: soft skills are built by watching more soccer with intent, not just studying big VAR moments.If you enjoyed this conversation, subscribe, share it with a ref or a soccer fan, and leave a review so more people find the show.Support the show

June 9, 202654 min

We Need Better Systems To Support Officials with Huck Sorock of REFR Sports

Send us Fan MailThe World Cup is almost here, and my life is about to get loud in the best way: I’m heading to seven matches with FIFA and TikTok as a Creator Correspondent, with access that changes what I can share and where I can share it. That excitement is real, but so is the deeper reason I care about this tournament. When the US Men’s National Team takes the field, you see a diverse group that reminds us what it looks like to pull in the same direction, even when the country feels split apart. We also sit with a story that is hard to shake: a Somali FIFA referee, after years of screening and international travel, reportedly lands in Miami and is denied entry for “vetting concerns.” We talk about what that decision costs on a human level, what it suggests about travel bans and bias, and why judging people as individuals matters. For anyone who loves soccer, refereeing, and the integrity of global sport, it’s a moment worth examining out loud. Then we get tactical with Huck Sorock from Refer Sports about the biggest hidden problem in youth sports and amateur soccer: referee assigning. We dig into what modern referee assigning software should actually do, from paying officials faster to reducing admin chaos during massive tournaments. We talk AI schedule imports, agentic AI as a productivity multiplier, building an in-app community for training and support, and why retention improves when assigners can spend less time on spreadsheets and more time mentoring refs. If you care about sports officiating, referee retention, and smarter assigning systems, this one is for you. Subscribe for more, share this with an assigner or official who needs better tools, and leave a review so more referees can find the show.Support the show

May 28, 20261 hr 11 min

Coach Challenges And Video Review In College Soccer with John Collins, NCAA Head of Officiating

Send us Fan MailCollege soccer is about to change in ways that will hit everyone on match day: referees, coaches, players, and the people in the stands wondering why the game has stopped again. After sharing a personal weekend at the brand-new U.S. Soccer National Training Center, including the eye-opening mechanics of officiating deaf and power wheelchair matches, we bring on one of the best voices to explain what’s coming next for the NCAA.John Collins, the NCAA national coordinator of soccer officials and a professional assessor across MLS, NWSL, and USL, walks us through the biggest NCAA soccer rules changes. We dig into the move to a coach-initiated video review challenge system, what incidents are actually reviewable, and why replay in college can be painfully slow without a full VAR team, dedicated replay operators, and a deep set of camera angles. John also breaks down why the fourth official becomes even more important now, how substitution opportunities shift when the clock is stopped, and what the optional Video Match Official role could mean for the future.We also tackle the men’s Division I fall-spring calendar proposal, the student-athlete wellness case behind it, and the ripple effects on referee scheduling, development, and opportunity across all divisions. We wrap with the cultural hold of the countdown clock, plus discipline updates like simplifying violent behavior categories and new bench decorum accountability that puts staff cautions onto the head coach’s accumulation. If you care about NCAA soccer officiating, video review, coach challenges, and the direction of the college game, this is the roadmap. Subscribe, share with your referee crew, and leave a review with your take on coach challenges and replay time.Support the show

May 21, 202655 min

World Cup Concerns on the "For Ref's Sake!" Podcast

Send us Fan MailThe strangest part about refereeing is that everyone sees you, but almost nobody knows you. This week David was a guest on the "For Ref's Sake" podcast. We talk about how I went from a grassroots soccer referee turned global creator during the COVID era, which sparked a community where referees, coaches, players, and parents can finally talk about the game like humans. What happens when officials stop being faceless and start being approachable, educational, and honest about how decisions get made?We get into the real craft of officiating: why the Laws of the Game are subjective, how positioning and angle change everything, and how to discuss big moments like DOGSO, SPA, serious foul play, reckless challenges, and offensive or insulting language without turning it into clickbait. David shares why he tries to lead with a teacher’s heart, how he keeps up with the flood of clips and questions, and what it takes to build a sustainable refereeing platform that includes short-form content, long-form podcasting, and referee gear that funds the work.Then we zoom out to World Cup 2026 in the United States. David lays out concerns many fans are not hearing loudly enough: visa barriers, high costs, heat and humidity, political headwinds, and the possibility of empty seats early on. But there is optimism too, including why ticket and housing prices may drop and why visitors can still expect warmth from everyday Americans. We close with a simple standard for any official who wants to level up: integrity, courage, a willingness to learn, and a deep love for the game.Subscribe for more conversations that make you better on the pitch, share this with a ref who needs encouragement, and leave a review with your biggest referee lesson or sideline story.Support the show

May 14, 202642 min

You Can Build A Referee Program That Kids Want To Join with Carlos Ledesma

Send us Fan MailThe fastest way to lose a new referee is to certify them online and then throw them into the deep end on a busy weekend. We start with a few big updates from my world, including our first Dr. Tom Gerson Pops Memorial Scholarships for referees and why telling those stories every year matters to me and my family.Then I’m joined by Carlos Ledesma, a Northern California assigner, director of referees, and certified mentor who has quietly built what a lot of leagues are missing: a repeatable system to recruit, train, develop, and retain soccer referees. Carlos breaks down how he sells refereeing to 13 and 14-year-olds, why shadowing works in real games, and how club scrimmages can become a low-pressure training ground where new officials learn mechanics, positioning, pregame routines, and confidence before the first “real” assignment.We also get practical about referee safety and retention: sideline seating policies that keep spectators off the assistant referee’s back, strict zero tolerance expectations, and the underrated step of communicating with referees after a referee abuse report so they know action was taken. If you’re an assigner, club leader, coach, or referee mentor trying to solve the referee shortage with better training instead of wishful thinking, you’ll leave with a model you can copy.Subscribe for more behind-the-scenes referee conversations, share this with your local club, and leave a review so more officials and assigners can find the show.Support the show

April 25, 20266 min

Update! Bouncing Back After A Mistake

Send us Fan MailA single referee mistake can hijack your confidence for days, especially when it happens in a high school playoff match with a crowd watching. I share a raw update on a procedural error I had to admit publicly, including the moment I took a go-ahead goal off the board and how heavy that felt after the final whistle. If you’ve ever walked to your car replaying one decision on repeat, you’ll recognize the mix of pride, guilt, and the need to keep showing up anyway. From there, we pivot to the quick reset that every soccer referee needs: an easy assistant referee night that still had its own challenge (yes, you can get cooked by the sun even at a “night” game). Then we get into a competitive Georgia high school soccer matchup between 6A teams where game management matters on every touch. We talk injuries, five yellow cards, delays of restart, reckless challenges, and how using comms with a strong crew helps us spot flashpoints and keep players from boiling over. We close with the small details that make officials better: smarter positioning on goal kicks, opening your body to read the long ball, and why over-apologizing (“I’m sorry”) can actually make dissent worse. There’s also a quick referee gear update with new referee socks and the latest on grip socks restocking and why they sell out so fast. If this helped you, subscribe, share it with a ref friend, and leave a review so more officials can find it.Support the show

April 23, 202629 min

Integrity Over Ego: Why I Took a Goal Off the Board

Send us Fan MailA playoff match can feel perfect for 50 minutes and then unravel in 10 seconds. That’s what happened to me in Georgia, and I’m not proud of it. I’m sharing the full, raw story of a high school postseason game where I made a procedural mistake on a restart, saw the consequences hit the scoreboard, and then had to make the hardest choice a referee can make in public: admit it and fix it.We talk through the whole arc, from pregame prep and crew dynamics to why comms can help when things get fast. I break down a clear DOGSO handball moment on a corner kick that leads to a penalty and a red card, then the decision that changed everything: allowing a quick free kick when the ball was still moving. When that restart turns into a goal, the match explodes. I consult the crew, swallow my ego, disallow the goal, and deal with the reality that doing the “right” procedural thing can still look terrible to players, coaches, and fans.If you care about soccer officiating, NFHS rules, playoff game management, referee mindset, and getting back up after a rough night, this one is for you. Subscribe, share it with a referee friend, and leave a review with the toughest lesson you’ve learned on the field.Support the show

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