Realtopia - Real Estate for Teens

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Real estate. Real conversations. Hosted by a teenager trying to understand the world she’s about to inherit. I’m Naomi Cohen, and I created Realtopia — a real estate podcast for teenagers, by a teenager. What began as a podcast about real estate evolved into conversations about something even bigger: how places shape people, and how people shape places. Because real estate was never just about buildings. It’s about the future of places — cities, housing, belonging, design, community, and the people shaping them. Each episode, I ask architects, developers, researchers, founders, and urban thinkers the questions teenagers are not supposed to ask. Welcome to Realtopia.

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November 15, 2026Episode 2628 min

Episode 26: Jeff Speck (Author of Walkable City) — Can Better Streets Make Better Neighbors?

Can the street you live on change how many friends you have? Naomi sits down with Jeff Speck, city planner and author of Walkable City, Walkable City Rules, and co-author of Suburban Nation. Jeff has spent decades helping cities rethink streets designed around cars instead of people. Jeff shares a striking study: residents on low-traffic streets reported an average of three friends in their neighborhood, compared with fewer than one on high-traffic streets. He explains why cars can isolate us, and why a good walk needs to be useful, safe, comfortable, and interesting. He also challenges some of the basic assumptions behind American street design. Wider lanes can encourage faster driving. Narrower streets, trees, and parked cars can make walking safer. And sometimes the biggest improvements require little more than changing the paint on the road. In this episode: • Why cars can make neighborhoods less social • The four things that make people choose to walk • Why wider, more forgiving streets can actually be more dangerous • Small street changes that slow traffic and make walking safer • Why density and walkability need each other to create street life • Why smaller, more intimate public spaces can encourage connection • How traffic studies and fear of congestion shape our cities • What walkable neighborhoods give teenagers: freedom and independence • What makes a place feel lived-in: small spaces, density, and fewer cars A conversation about how the design of an ordinary street can shape our safety, independence, and relationships with the people around us. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

November 6, 2026Episode 2521 min

Episode 25: Simon Sochas & Jenais Zarlin (Creators of the Vibrancy Index) — Can You Measure Whether a Place Is Alive?

What makes a neighborhood feel alive — not just busy? Naomi sits down with Simon Sochas, Senior Strategist at Gehl, and Jenais Zarlin, co-founder and Chief Impact Officer of SF New Deal. Together, their organizations created the Vibrancy Index, a tool designed to measure public life, public space, identity, and economic vitality in downtown San Francisco. Simon explains why traditional downtown metrics like foot traffic, rents, and sales can miss something important: they measure intensity, but not necessarily resilience. Jenais brings the other side of the story — what actually happens when a dark storefront turns back on, from a Saturday line outside Devil's Teeth Baking Company to a 10 p.m. crowd on a previously quiet street. They also discuss "stickiness" — whether people linger instead of simply passing through — why the same place can feel completely different depending on who you ask, and why no amount of location data or AI can replace standing on the sidewalk, watching people, and actually talking to them. In this episode: • Why traditional downtown metrics can miss what matters • How the Vibrancy Index tries to measure what makes a place feel alive • What happens when one empty storefront comes back to life • Why "stickiness" can reveal more than foot traffic alone • Why different people experience the same neighborhood differently • What public data and AI can measure — and why observing people still matters • How storefront activation changes both physical space and social life • How one small intervention can make a block feel more social A conversation about the difference between a place that is busy and one that actually feels alive — and what an index can and cannot see. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

November 1, 2026Episode 2431 min

Episode 24: Ellen Dunham-Jones (Co-author of Retrofitting Suburbia) — Can the Suburbs Be Redesigned for Belonging?

Can a dead mall, an empty office park, or a sea of parking become a place where people actually belong? Naomi sits down with Ellen Dunham-Jones, architect, urban designer, and co-author with June Williamson of Retrofitting Suburbia. Her database now tracks more than 2,500 suburban retrofits across the country. Ellen explains how postwar suburbs separated people and everyday life through zoning, and what it takes to turn aging suburban properties into places where people actually want to stay. Her answer goes beyond walkability: a programmed town green, small blocks, active storefronts, bike access, and even simple things like picnic tables, porches, and festivals can change how a place feels. She also shares examples from the Mosaic District in Virginia, Guthrie Green in Tulsa, Lancaster, California, and the Atlanta BeltLine — places where design and programming helped people gather, linger, and feel more connected. Her most practical point: open space alone is not enough. In many suburbs, people already have greenery. What they often miss is other people — and reasons to come together. In this episode: • How a dead mall helped launch Ellen's work on suburban retrofits • What postwar suburbs made harder for connection • Reuse, redevelopment, and regreening • The physical ingredients of a successful town center • Why programming matters as much as open space • How small interventions can create social life • What suburban belonging a city-based score might miss • How retrofits can give teenagers more independence • Why the old suburban dream may no longer fit the way people live A conversation about the suburbs we already have — and how much they can change without starting over. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

October 25, 2026Episode 2324 min

Episode 23: Kevin Kelley (Author of Irreplaceable) — Can a Place Make Strangers Talk?

Can a place actually make strangers talk — or does design only set the stage? Naomi sits down with Kevin Kelley, architect, co-founder of Shook Kelley, and author of Irreplaceable: How to Create Extraordinary Places That Bring People Together. For more than 30 years, Kevin has studied how physical environments influence behavior and how places can convene people around shared experiences. His clients have ranged from Whole Foods and Harley-Davidson to orchestras and universities. Kevin explains why he stopped thinking mainly about architectural style and started focusing on behavior, and why he worries about the "replacement economy" — apps and screens replacing the everyday places where people once ran into each other. He breaks down what actually makes people stay: feeling safe, the way seats are arranged, movable furniture, lighting, visibility, and the small cues that make strangers feel comfortable enough to connect. He also explains why rooftops, lounges, and coworking spaces often fail despite looking impressive on paper. His central point is simple: design is the set, not the story. The real work starts with deciding what behavior you want to create, then designing the environment around it. In this episode: • Why Kevin designs for behavior, not just aesthetics • The "replacement economy" and what screens are replacing • Why feeling safe is the first condition for connection • How seating and lighting help strangers interact • Why rooftops and coworking spaces often sit empty • Why design is the set, not the story • How body language reveals whether a place is working • Why people need a reason to gather • How a teenager can start a gathering place with almost no money A conversation about the difference between a place that contains people and one that actually brings them together. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

October 19, 2026Episode 2229 min

Episode 22: Rik Adamski (Storefront Renaissance League) — Can You Create a Third Place?

Can you actually create a third place — or can you only create the conditions that allow one to emerge? Naomi sits down with Rik Adamski, president of Ash+Lime and co-founder of the Storefront Renaissance League, to talk about the everyday places where people gather — cafés, bookstores, bars, shops, and sometimes places you would never expect. Rik explains why third places have become harder to sustain, from rising costs and changing business models to phones and new social habits. He argues that the best ones depend on much more than design: the owners and staff who know your name, the regulars who connect people, and a business model that allows the place to stay open long enough for routines and relationships to form. Naomi and Rik also explore why hybrid places like bookstore-café-bars may be part of the answer, why older inexpensive buildings give local businesses room to experiment, why a McDonald's can sometimes function as a real third place, and why improving a neighborhood can begin with something as simple as cleaning up one block. In this episode: - Can a third place be created, or only the conditions for one? - Why third places are becoming harder to sustain - The people who turn a business into a social place - Why hybrid third places may have a better chance of surviving - What a Belonging Index can measure — and what it cannot - Why unexpected places can become community hubs - Why older, inexpensive buildings matter for local businesses - What teenagers need from a third place - Why small actions can sometimes matter more than big plans A conversation about third places, local businesses, and the conditions that help community happen. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

October 11, 2026Episode 2123 min

Episode 21: Ryan Gravel (Creator of the Atlanta BeltLine) — Can One Idea Reconnect a City?

Can one piece of infrastructure reconnect a city — and what happens when that idea becomes more successful than anyone expected? Naomi sits down with Ryan Gravel, the urban designer whose graduate thesis became the Atlanta BeltLine, a 22-mile loop connecting 45 neighborhoods around Atlanta. Ryan explains how a year in Paris inspired the idea, why he calls the BeltLine “catalyst infrastructure,” and how abandoned rail corridors became a new way for neighborhoods to connect. He also speaks candidly about what the project got wrong: missing transit, affordability challenges, and why he believes stronger commitments should have come before the trail moved ahead. In this episode: How Paris inspired the BeltLine What “catalyst infrastructure” means Whether the BeltLine caused Atlanta’s growth Why belonging is difficult to measure What Ryan learned from the project’s equity challenges Why transit was always essential What he would change today How infrastructure can give teenagers more independence A conversation about infrastructure, connection, and the responsibility that comes with changing a city. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

October 6, 2026Episode 2031 min

Episode 20: Gil Peñalosa (Founder of 8 80 Cities) — Who Is Your City Really Built For?

Most cities were designed as if everyone were 30 years old, athletic, healthy, and able to drive. What would change if every street, park, library, and neighborhood had to work for an 8-year-old and an 80-year-old? Naomi sits down with Gil Peñalosa, founder of 8 80 Cities and one of the world's leading voices on public space. As Commissioner of Parks in Bogotá, Colombia, Gil built or rebuilt more than 200 parks and helped transform the city's Ciclovía from a struggling Sunday bike event into more than 75 miles of open streets where over a million people can walk, bike, run, and simply be together. He has since worked in more than 350 cities around the world. Gil explains why he judges a city by who is able to use it independently: children walking to school, older adults outside, women cycling, teenagers getting around without needing a ride. For him, autonomy is one of the clearest signs that a neighborhood is working. They discuss 20 mph neighborhood streets, wide sidewalks, short crossings, benches, shade, trees, and why every neighborhood should have a quality park within a short walk. But Gil also argues that infrastructure is only half the story: cities need the "software" too — programming, activities, and reasons for people of every age to actually use those spaces. Naomi and Gil also explore the harder questions: why citywide averages can hide enormous inequality between neighborhoods, why public spaces should be equally good regardless of income, and why teenagers may be one of the groups most poorly served by the way cities are designed today. In this episode: The 8 80 test — and why cities should work for both an 8-year-old and an 80-year-old How Bogotá's Ciclovía turned streets into places where people meet as equals Why children moving independently are one of the clearest signs a neighborhood works 20 mph streets, wide sidewalks, short crossings, benches, and trees Why belonging should be measured at the neighborhood level, not just citywide Parks as an equalizer — and why every neighborhood needs access to good public space "Hardware and software": why programming matters as much as infrastructure Why schools could become the heart of neighborhoods after hours What a city designed for a 15-year-old would look like Why young people should move from talking to doing A conversation about autonomy, equity, and how cities can use both better design and better programming to create belonging. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

September 27, 2026Episode 1929 min

Episode 19: Dr. Katherine Loflin (The City Doctor) — Can Love for a Place Be Measured?

Can something as personal as loving where you live actually be measured? Naomi sits down with Dr. Katherine Loflin, known as The City Doctor and a pioneer of place science. At the Knight Foundation, Katherine led the Soul of the Community study with Gallup — three years of research across 26 communities and more than 40,000 interviews asking two deceptively simple questions: What makes people love where they live, and why does it matter? The results were remarkably consistent. The strongest drivers of attachment were not jobs, schools, or basic services, but three softer qualities: social offerings, aesthetics, and openness. And communities with higher attachment also showed stronger local economic growth. Katherine explains the behaviors behind that connection: people who love where they live tend to spend more time there, invest more locally, invite others in, buy homes, start businesses, and put down roots. Naomi and Katherine explore why something as emotional as feeling welcome can be influenced by very physical things — sidewalks, bike safety, transportation, affordability — and what Miami taught researchers about the gap between how a place actually performs and how people perceive it. They also discuss why city rankings can never fully tell you where you will feel at home, how local history and storytelling can deepen attachment, how COVID changed the role of social connection, and why young people may need to “date” different places before deciding where they belong. In this episode: What the Soul of the Community study discovered about loving where you live Why social offerings, aesthetics, and openness matter so much How attachment can translate into local economic activity Why sidewalks, bike safety, and affordability can signal whether people are welcome What Miami revealed about perception versus reality Why a city can check every box and still not feel like home How stories and local history can create attachment What COVID taught us about social capital Why young people are “dating” their cities — and what might make them stay A conversation about the science behind loving a place — and the limits of trying to capture that feeling in a number. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

September 23, 2026Episode 1830 min

Episode 18: Melody Warnick (Author) — Can You Learn to Love Where You Live?

Can you learn to love where you live — or are some places simply a better fit than others? Naomi sits down with Melody Warnick, journalist and author of This Is Where You Belong and If You Could Live Anywhere. After moving six times by her mid-30s, Melody arrived in Blacksburg, Virginia — and initially wanted to leave. Instead, she began experimenting with what researchers call place attachment: the feeling of being deeply at home where you live. She tried walking more, buying local, meeting neighbors, volunteering, exploring nature, and becoming a regular at a local restaurant — an experiment that completely failed. Over time, those small efforts changed how she experienced her town. Naomi and Melody explore why social connection, openness, and the way a place looks matter so much; why simply knowing your neighbors can create trust; and why sidewalks, cafés, parks, events, murals, and even front porches can create opportunities for belonging. They also ask a harder question: how much of belonging comes from the place, and how much comes from what we choose to do with it? And if you could live anywhere, should you search for the “best” place — or the place that fits you best? In this episode: What place attachment is — and why it matters The experiments that helped Melody learn to love Blacksburg Why knowing your neighbors builds trust and belonging How much belonging comes from you vs. the place itself Why murals, events, porches, and other “love notes” reveal attachment How to choose where to live when you really can live anywhere A conversation about turning somewhere you live into somewhere that feels like home. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.

September 14, 2026Episode 1722 min

Episode 17: Ethan Kent (PlacemakingX) — How Placemaking Creates Belonging

What turns a space into a place — and can belonging actually be designed? Naomi sits down with Ethan Kent, Executive Director and co-founder of PlacemakingX, a global network of more than 1,500 placemakers in over 85 countries. Before that, Ethan spent more than 20 years at Project for Public Spaces and has worked in and studied places across more than 1,000 cities around the world. From the cheap beach chairs that helped transform Times Square to markets, main streets, and neighborhood gathering places, Ethan explains why great places are built around purpose, meaning, and people — not just architecture. They discuss why sociability may be the most important measure of a public space, why cities should aim to be lovable rather than simply livable, and why successful placemaking starts with life first, then space, then buildings. In this episode: What turns a space into a place How beach chairs helped transform Times Square Why sociability matters more than beautiful design The Power of 10 and why people need reasons to stay Why “lovable” may matter more than “livable” Place-led development vs. “place taking” Why physical design can create the potential for belonging, but not belonging itself Why teenagers have been designed out of many cities A conversation about how people shape places — and how places, in turn, shape community. Realtopia is hosted by Naomi Cohen.