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May 27, 202656 min

Everythingism with Joe Hill

In the latest episode of the Radical Reformers podcast, Andrew Laird sits down with Joe Hill, Director of Strategy at Restate (and the winner of last year’s Think Tanker of the Year award!), for a timely and thought-provoking conversation about the importance of really bold public service reform ideas. From his journey through the civil service and Treasury to his work shaping some of the most influential policy thinking in Westminster, Joe offers a fascinating perspective on how change really happens. At the heart of the episode is his powerful critique of “everythingism” - the idea that every policy should try to deliver every objective, everywhere, all at once. A problem many people working in public services will instantly recognise: blurred priorities, diluted focus and policy that tries to do too much. This episode is about the importance of new ideas, the role of think tanks in shifting debate, and why real reform depends on people being willing to say the uncomfortable thing out loud. Above all, it’s a compelling call to be courageous - to think clearly, write honestly, challenge consensus and push for something better. If you care about public service reform, policy innovation and the future of government, head here to listen

May 14, 202653 min

Test, Learn and Grow with Nick Kimber

In the latest episode of Radical Reformers, Andrew Laird welcomes Nick Kimber, Director of Public Service Reform in Cabinet Office and the lead for the Test, Learn and Grow (TLG) Programme. We all know the huge pressures public services currently face - and in this conversation we’re reminded that fast experimentation and learning can be more powerful than writing the perfect business plan. Nick and Andrew also discuss: - What the TLG programme is - and isn’t (spoiler it's not a digital change programme!) - How starting small and testing in the real world can build evidence and confidence through iterative learning rather than long, linear, pre-determined pilots. - The importance of working across departmental and organisational boundaries at all levels to close the gap between policy intent and achieving real change. They finish with a call to action. The TLG programme, the Changing Futures programme, the place-based budget pilots will only have succeeded if they are catalysts for a broader and sustainable movement If you’re trying to deliver change in complex systems, this episode is one for you.

April 29, 202655 min

Trust, local Institutions and long-term thinking with Dr. Jonathan Carr-West

In the latest episode of the #RadicalReformers Podcast, Andrew Laird is joined by Dr Jonathan Carr-West, Chief Executive of the Local Government Information Unit (LGIU). Jonathan and Andrew explore the importance of communities having trust in councils and other key local institutions and also why long-term thinking matters. They discuss how both councils and the communities they serve have essential roles to play in our society and its future success. Councils create the enabling framework, accountability and formal representation. Communities bring civic energy, local knowledge and the capability to shape solutions that fit real lives. Jonathan is also clear that embedding prevention and place-based approaches can take years - but that’s exactly why they’re so powerful. Ten years can feel incremental until you look back and realise it was the most radical change of all! When participation works through and alongside institutions, you get the best of both. For anyone working in (or alongside) public services who’s trying to make an impact, Jonathan’s advice is simple - just "keep going" - because the difference isn’t always one dramatic leap, it’s often the accumulation of changes made every single day. Real change rarely arrives with a quick, big announcement. More often, it’s built quietly through long-term thinking, shared endeavour, and the discipline to keep going.

April 16, 202648 min

Public Service Reform X Participative Democracy with Andy Ferrier

In our latest episode of Radical Reformers, Andrew Laird is joined by Andy Ferrier, Chief Executive of Test Valley Borough Council, for a thoughtful and practical conversation about how public service reform, neighbourhood working and democratic renewal can come together. At Mutual Ventures we talk about Radical Place Leadership - Andy is definitely a Radical place Leader! In this episode, they discuss: - Why many people feel alienated from traditional democratic processes and what can be done about it. - How citizens’ assemblies and deliberative approaches can support better‑informed political decision‑making. - The transformative, once-in-a-generation opportunity of LGR. - Why culture, behaviours and leadership matter just as much as governance and committees. - How neighbourhood approaches could support prevention, stronger connection to communities and better children’s and adults’ services. Andy is refreshingly honest about the limits of traditional models and optimistic about working together. The most important aspect for him, he says, is working with communities, elected members and partners to think about how they develop together as a collective enterprise. If you’re thinking about empower in communities, Local Government Reorganisation, Pride in Place, the future of democratic leadership or public service reform more generally, this episode is for you.

March 19, 202654 min

Making Growing Up Great Again with Dez Holmes

This week Andrew Laird welcomes Dez Holmes, Director of Research in Practice and Strategic Director for Practice and Programmes at the National Children’s Bureau. They discuss the role public services can play in making growing up great again! and why so many of our systems struggle at the point young people turn 18. Dez challenges the myth of a neat shift from ‘child’ to ‘adult’ and notes that for many people adulthood arrives earlier (caring responsibilities, adversity) or later (new responsibilities, work, family), but our systems often behave as if it happens at the same fixed point for everyone. Complex problems don’t respond well to linear plans which pretend we can predict outcomes upfront. Andrew and Dez explore what it looks like to test a hypothesis, adapt in the light of evidence, and create the safety to learn. Above all, in this episode Dez reminds us that frustration with the system should never overpower hope and we must always ask ourselves: “what impact is this having in people’s lives?” and not just “what have we delivered against the plan”?

March 5, 202650 min

Supporting communities to thrive and succeed with Zina Etheridge

In the latest episode of the Radical Reformers podcast, Andrew Laird is joined by Zina Etheridge, recently appointed Chief Executive of Buckinghamshire Council, to explore to explore her relatively unique experience of leading in central government, in a council and in the NHS. Zina highlights that place matters more than ever, and the conversation centres on a powerful idea we truly believe in here at Mutual Ventures: councils should be much more than service providers. At their best, they are place-makers and conveners, uniquely placed to bring partners, communities and systems together to help communities thrive and succeed. Zina reflects candidly on the distinct pressures that are on senior leaders in different parts of the public sector, the challenges of reforming complex systems, and why bravery is required to shift resources and power in meaningful ways, even when short-term performance risks feel uncomfortable. Genuine community empowerment can’t be imposed from the centre or done in a one‑size‑fits‑all way. It depends on local context, trust, lived experience and the confidence to share power. If you’re working in local government, the NHS or the wider public sector, or thinking about the future of place-based leadership, this is a thoughtful and timely listen.

February 18, 20261 hr 8 min

Making relational practice the norm with Becca Dove and Simon Parker

In the latest episode of Radical Reformers, Andrew Laird meets Becca Dove, Head of the Camden Centre for Relational Practice and Transformation and Simon Parker, Executive Director of Resources at Bath and North East Somerset for a rich, reflective conversation about making relational practice the norm in public services. They explore what it really takes to embed relational ways of working across whole organisations, not just at the frontline. Drawing on their personal journeys through journalism, policy, think tanks and local government, Simon and Becca reflect on why relationships are foundational to better outcomes, stronger cultures and more sustainable public services. The conversation moves from theory to practice, with examples from Camden and B&NES, including neighbourhood working, community-led approaches, relational budgeting and partnership models that grew out of the pandemic. Becca and Simon also grapple honestly with the tensions and challenges: inspections, budgets, evidence, and how to make relational change stick beyond individual leaders. Above all, this episode makes the case that relational practice is not a “nice to have”, but a practical, intuitive and increasingly necessary response to rising demand and tightening budgets. As Becca says, “honest and compassionate relationships have to be the first priority on which everything else is built”.

February 4, 20261 hr 1 min

Budgeting for the future with Rob Powell and Nina Philippidis

In this week’s Radical Reformers, Andrew welcomes two exceptional local government finance leaders, Rob Powell, Executive Director for Resources, Warwickshire County Council and Nina Philippidis, Executive Director of Resources and Deputy Chief Executive, Gloucestershire County Council. Local government finance is facing pressures unlike anything we’ve seen before - but with the right leadership, there are also opportunities to reimagine how local government functions and the role it plays. Nina and Rob share powerful insights about what its really like to lead and make tough decision in local government against a backdrop of frequently changing policy and ever tightening budgets. Here’s a taste of what they cover: - Multi-year settlements: Do they truly change how councils plan or is the ultimate impact more limited? - Thinking beyond the organisation: Why leading for a place rather than for a council is essential. - Investing to save: How finance directors balance short-term pressures with the long-term need for prevention and innovation. - Local Government Reorganisation: The big opportunities ahead - from simplifying structures to tackling deep-rooted challenges like health inequality and long-term worklessness. - Leadership and careers: How local government finance is far more inspiring and impactful than people realise! This conversation is packed with honesty, practical wisdom, and forward-thinking optimism about the future of public services.

January 21, 20261 hr 4 min

Relational Public Services X Academia with Profs Hannah Hesselgreaves and Chris Fox 1 0

All the buzz is about relational public services – and rightly so. In this week’s Radical Reformers, we welcome not one, but two experts in the subject, Professor Hannah Hesselgreaves and Professor Chris Fox from the Policy Evaluation Research Unit at Manchester Metropolitan University. They explore the role academia plays in the development of public service reform and public policy, and how it should play a deeper, more relational role in public service reform, far beyond traditional evaluation. A key theme is the value of involving academics early on as learning partners who help test assumptions, shape interventions, and co create knowledge alongside practitioners and people with lived experience. This episode coincides with the publication of a research paper on “Policy Priorities to Support Relational Public Services”. You can access the full report here - https://mmuperu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/429/2025/12/Relational-Public-Services-Policy.pdf Hannah and Chris are leading lights in relational public services, and this episode is for anyone working in public service reform, systems change or place-based leadership.

January 7, 202658 min

Partnering with Communities with Jason Strelitz

Radical Reformers is back! Andrew Laird kicks off the new year in conversation with Jason Strelitz of the Health Foundation and formerly Director of Adults, Health & Communities at Newham Council. Jason brings a wealth of experience and insight having worked on the Marmot Review into health inequalities and also the Grenfell Recovery programme. He’s also the author of a great book – "Same Storm, Different Boats" - which is a powerful account of the COVID-19 pandemic response in Newham. In this episode, Jason and Andrew discuss the importance of building trust and genuine partnership with communities in order to support better, healthier and more fulfilling lives. Jason explains that improving public health is about understanding the full spectrum of challenges faced in a "place" and then distributing power and resources as widely as possible. As we have discussed before on Radical Reformers, the relationship with communities changes when we move from “This is what we can do for you” to “This is what we can do together.”