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Welcome to PassivePockets: The Passive Real Estate Investing Show presented by Equity Trust– your go-to podcast for building and protecting wealth through smart, passive real estate investments. Hosted by Jim Pfeifer, this podcast is designed for investors who want to grow without the grind. Each episode features expert interviews with seasoned LPs (Limited Partners) and GPs (General Partners) who share their insights, experiences, and practical advice.

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June 16, 20261 hr 3 min

Central Lending Fund Review: Fix-and-Flip Debt, Monthly Cash Flow, and Risk Controls

In this LP Deal Review, Chris Lopez is joined by Adam Cranmer and Christy Burakovsky to evaluate CL Fund III from Central Lending, a private credit fund focused on short-term residential real estate loans for fix-and-flip, ground-up construction, and small-balance investor projects. Andrew Boccia and Heather Dreves walk through Central Lending’s lending model, portfolio composition, underwriting process, use of leverage, investor share classes, and how the fund sits between traditional fixed-income strategies and higher-upside real estate syndications. The conversation gets into why Central Lending focuses on smaller loan sizes, how it uses third-party valuations, what it tracks across borrower experience and credit quality, and why fraud detection has become a major part of private credit underwriting. The LP panel then digs into the questions passive investors should be asking before investing in a debt fund: how loans are valued, what happens when a borrower defaults, how draw management can reveal problems before maturity, whether loan tapes and audited financials are available, how leverage impacts returns and risk, and what investors should understand about redemptions. For LPs evaluating private credit, this episode offers a practical look at what sits behind headline yield: underwriting discipline, loan-level monitoring, loss mitigation, liquidity management, and alignment between the fund manager and investors. Key Takeaways How Central Lending underwrites private credit deals across current cost, collateral value, final cost, and after-repair value Why borrower experience, draw activity, and communication can be early indicators of loan performance How the fund uses third-party valuations, internal QC, and fraud detection to manage risk across multiple states The difference between equity members and note holders, including return structure, payout timing, and priority in the waterfall How origination fees, extension fees, leverage, and loan sales can contribute to fund-level returns Why redemption policies matter in debt funds and how managers balance investor liquidity with protecting the fund as a whole Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

June 9, 202637 min

Community Roundtable: Treasuries vs Debt Funds, Office “Bargains,” and How to Deploy Cash Now

In this Community Roundtable, Chris Lopez sits down with PassivePockets members Pascal Wagner, Adam Cranmer, and Christy Burakovsky for a candid investor-to-investor conversation on how they’re allocating capital right now and what would make them change course. Pascal frames the dilemma many LPs are feeling: with risk-free rates near 5% and major macro signals flashing red (record debt loads, expensive public markets, and uncertainty around where rates settle), does it still make sense to allocate to interest-rate-sensitive commercial real estate? He shares how he’s thinking about portfolio construction with fresh liquidity and why he’s prioritizing stable income and downside protection before chasing upside. Adam and Christy offer counterweights: where fear can create opportunity, why liquidity matters, and how they’re approaching “safer” yield today (short-duration debt funds, notes, treasuries) while keeping dry powder for dislocated assets. The conversation also explores where each of them sees asymmetric opportunity: distressed commercial, non-performing loan strategies, medical office, assisted living tailwinds, and long-term fixed-rate debt structures that avoid the five-to-seven-year refinance trap. Key Takeaways Why some LPs are pausing syndication allocations and leaning into cash/T-bills and what would change their mind The “income-first” portfolio approach: build stable cash flow, then take higher-upside bets Where investors are hunting opportunity: distress, NPLs, office dislocation, medical office, and long-term fixed-rate debt plays Why HUD-style long-term amortizing debt can change the risk profile of a deal dramatically Mezz vs. leveraged first-lien funds: the real differentiator is control of the underlying collateral The underrated skill in 2026: staying liquid enough to act when the “no-brainer” window opens Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

June 2, 202620 min

Capital Call Case Studies: Fund It or Walk Away?

Unplanned capital calls are one of the most stressful moments in passive investing, and Chris breaks down exactly how he thinks through the decision to fund or walk away. In this solo episode, Chris shares two real examples from his own portfolio. First: a “diversified fund-of-funds” that raised $10.6M and deployed across 11 deals. After multiple capital calls tied to the same sponsor (including hurricane-related shortfalls and interest reserves), the fund ultimately saw several investments wipe out entirely and Chris explains why he chose not to participate in the follow-on capital call. Second: a single-asset 127-unit value-add multifamily deal acquired in late 2022. After distributions paused due to operational issues (including a major elevator problem and a commercial tenant failure), the sponsor presented a detailed, investor-aligned plan: fee reductions, sponsor loan subordination, and a clear path to stabilization and Chris decided to fund this one. The key framework he keeps coming back to: Will this capital call actually fix the problem? Chris shares the decision criteria, tradeoffs, and how he evaluates whether additional money is “good capital after bad” or a rational bridge to protect long-term equity. Key Takeaways The most important capital call question: Will it fix the problem or just delay the inevitable? How Chris evaluates sponsor behavior, transparency, and alignment before funding anything Why “where the capital call is coming from” matters (reserves, GP bridge loans, or robbing one tranche to fund another) The difference between capital calls tied to systemic issues versus solvable operational problems Real numbers and outcomes from both scenarios, including what happened when capital calls did not stabilize the underlying assets Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

May 26, 202633 min

How Operators Win When Rent Growth Stalls: Gary Lipski's Playbook

This Episode Gary Lipsky joins the show for a real operator’s view of what it’s actually like to run B-class multifamily in Tucson right now; flat-to-negative rent growth, higher concessions, elevated delinquency, and the daily “whack-a-mole” of competing comps dropping rents to protect occupancy. Chris and Gary unpack how the Tucson market is absorbing new supply, what demand drivers still matter (job diversity, cost of living, defense/healthcare tailwinds), and where operational wins are being found when traditional rent growth isn’t available, renewal strategy, new income lines, and keeping property teams motivated when KPIs are harder to hit. Gary also breaks down a recent 300-unit acquisition: why the basis made sense, how the business plan leans more “operational optimization” than heavy renovation, and how the capital stack was structured in today’s rate environment (CMBS debt, paid-down rate, plus a pref layer). They close with a practical discussion on AI; where it’s already improving leasing and collections workflows, what tenant application fraud looks like today, and why Gary sees tech as a tool to sharpen operations rather than an existential threat to housing demand. Key Takeaways What Tucson’s multifamily “pain cycle” looks like on the ground: rent softness, concessions, delinquency, and occupancy pressure Why renewals matter more than ever and how operators are finding NOI growth through small, repeatable income levers Inside a recent 300-unit Tucson deal: location thesis, light value-add plan, and addressing aging systems (pipes/boilers) cost-effectively How rate volatility impacts execution: CMBS structure, buying down the rate, and layering pref to make the cash flow work How operators are using AI today (leasing, renewals, collections) and the emerging tenant fraud problem in applications Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

May 19, 202638 min

Is Multifamily Bottoming? 3 Signals to Watch + Tax Moves (Dwight Dunton)

This Episode Chris sits down with Dwight Dunton, Founder of Bonaventure (launched in 1999), to talk market cycles, risk resilience, and the real-world tax playbook that helps active landlords transition into passive investing without writing a giant check to the IRS on the way out. Dwight shares the origin story: how a family “mailbox money” apartment investment turned into Bonaventure, and how a 25-year-old with no formal real estate background convinced Fannie Mae to finance a $16M buyout and kickstart a vertically integrated multifamily platform. Today, Bonaventure manages roughly $3B in assets, focused entirely on multifamily (with a meaningful senior housing sleeve). Dwight breaks down we he refuses to anchor to a single market forecast, how Bonaventure evaluates “lift-off” in overheated Sunbelt markets, and why B/C assets in strong submarkets can outperform when rent growth is muted because you can create NOI instead of waiting for the market to hand it to you. If you’re sitting on a low-basis portfolio and want to go more passive without detonating your tax bill, this one is packed with frameworks and decision points. Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

May 12, 202640 min

Post-Summit Pulse Check: How Our Thesis Changed + What We’re Buying Next

This Episode The Pulse Check is back with the full crew. Chris Lopez, Jim Pfeifer, and Paul Shannon reconvene just days after the PassivePockets Summit to unpack what they learned, how their theses got challenged (sometimes in real time), and what they’re actually doing with their portfolios right now. They talk through why this conference hits differently: top-tier speakers in a small room where you can actually have real conversations and how those competing viewpoints are the whole point. From “sit in treasuries” caution to “this is the window to buy” optimism, the trio break down how to filter the noise, lean into uncertainty, and keep operator quality at the top of the decision stack. On the portfolio side: Jim shares his first two allocations of the year including a private credit interval fund and AAA Storage via the Open Tribe structure, while Paul discusses a new private money note, an industrial sidecar he’s watching, and a recent multifamily exit. Chris recaps a strong Q1 for “green shoots” across his equity positions (sales, contracts, and a complicated Denver lakefront development that’s finally moving toward resolution), plus why he’s still dollar-cost averaging into real estate even when headlines shift fast. They close with one of the most tactical takeaways from the Summit: how LPs are using AI to speed up diligence and catch inconsistencies across pitch decks, PPMs, and operating agreements and why that should raise the bar for sponsors going forward. Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

May 5, 202638 min

Debt Fund Due Diligence: The “People, Process, Protections” Framework (Whitney Elkins-Hutten)

Debt funds are having a moment but most LPs still don’t have a clean framework for where private credit fits inside a real estate portfolio, or how to diligence a fund beyond “it’s first lien” and a headline return. In this episode, Chris Lopez sits down with Whitney Elkins-Hutten to break down a simple (but powerful) portfolio exercise Whitney built for herself: categorize every asset by risk and liquidity, then work backward from a real cashflow target to build an “income sleeve” that can hold up when equity cashflow gets compressed. Whitney explains why she doesn’t start with percentages, how she thinks about taxable vs. retirement capital for early retirement timelines, and how she reinvests income to steadily grow both the debt and equity sides of the portfolio. Then they go deep on debt fund due diligence, Whitney’s “four-part” risk lens (capital position, asset type, development phase, and legal structure) and the three buckets she uses to evaluate a fund once you’re past the basics: People, Processes, and Protections. They also cover practical verification steps LPs can take (without needing a social security number), what she wants to see in reporting, when a missing loan tape is or isn’t a dealbreaker, how to think about third-party reviews vs. audited financials, and why leverage inside a debt fund can quietly flip your real position in the stack. Key Takeaways A portfolio exercise for building an “income sleeve” and working backward from your cashflow number (not arbitrary percentages) How to think about liquidity and reserves as your “oxygen mask” before chasing returns Debt fund risk framework: capital position + asset type + development phase + legal structure Debt DD simplified: underwriting the People, the Processes, and the Protections What Whitney wants to see in monitoring: monthly payments, draw cadence, early warning signals, and workout plans Loan tape reality: why some operators won’t share it, what they should provide instead, and when third-party verification matters most Leverage in debt funds: why a warehouse line can be fine at low levels and why high leverage can make you “behind the bank” Fraud and “messy middle” risks: cross-collateralization, self-dealing permissions, and what to confirm in the PPM How to validate third-party financials: trust-but-verify steps (including confirming directly with the auditor) Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on in

April 28, 202638 min

Operators vs Allocators: A Cash-Flow Blueprint for CRE with Daniel Trevino

Connect with Altruis Capital Partners: https://reports.alturascapitalpartners.com/quarterly-reports/2025-q4 https://alturascapital.com/ This Episode Alturas Capital Partners has built a vertically integrated platform across the Intermountain West—and in this episode, Chris Lopez sits down with Daniel Trevino (Director of Investor Relations) to unpack what that “operators first” philosophy looks like in practice. Daniel explains why Alturas focuses on markets they know firsthand (including Colorado), how they think about creating alpha through hands-on execution, and why the firm chose an evergreen fund structure designed for long-term compounding instead of a traditional closed-end raise. The conversation also dives into why Alturas leaned into “neighborhood” and experiential retail when the asset class was out of favor, how that thesis has evolved, and what they’re seeing today across office, retail, and other commercial segments. Chris presses on the core LP questions: how diversification works inside a multi-asset evergreen vehicle, how Alturas thinks about underwriting spreads in today’s rate environment, why location quality matters even more in office, and what a “poor performer” taught them about risk management. Daniel closes with where Alturas sees opportunity building over the next cycle—and why the right basis (and the right market) still matters most. Key Takeaways What “operators first” means and why Alturas verticalized acquisitions, management, leasing, and maintenance How Alturas defines the Intermountain West—and why local market knowledge is central to their strategy Why they built an evergreen vehicle for flexibility through cycles (buy when it’s right, sell when it’s frothy) The retail thesis: “experiential” and neighborhood retail vs. the parts of retail most exposed to e-commerce How Alturas approaches multi-asset diversification without losing operational discipline—and what skill sets translate across retail/industrial/flex/office A real example of a struggling office asset and the key lesson: location quality can make or break execution What they’re watching next: office supply dynamics, underbuilding, and where basis-driven opportunity may emerge Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

April 21, 20261 hr 9 min

How to Get Better Deal Terms with SPVs | AAA Storage

PassivePockets members have asked for two things over and over: better terms and access to more deal options without writing huge checks. In this special webinar, Chris Lopez breaks down how “community capital” can do exactly that—by pooling investor commitments into an SPV (Special Purpose Vehicle) to unlock lower minimums, stronger economics, and cleaner access to sponsor funds. Chris is joined by Travis Smith (Founder & CEO of TribeVest) and Paul Bennett (President of AAA Storage). Travis explains what SPVs are, how Open Tribes work, and why modern tech has dramatically reduced the cost and complexity of running these structures compared to the “old school” SPV process. Then Paul walks through a real-world example: a PassivePockets Open Tribe built around AAA Storage Growth Fund II, complete with improved fee and waterfall terms for the community, plus a lower minimum that makes the fund accessible to more accredited investors. You’ll also get a practical, investor-focused overview of AAA’s strategy: a ground-up development portfolio spanning self-storage and small-bay industrial across four growth markets (Austin, Houston, San Antonio, and Charlotte), why Paul believes self-storage is bottoming and setting up for a supply/demand tailwind into 2027–2031, and how AAA structures its fund to avoid land entitlement risk and eliminate additional capital calls. Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.

April 14, 20261 hr 6 min

How Aspen Funds Is Winning Industrial | Deal Review

Link to Deal: https://passivepockets.com/directory/deals/aspen-industrial-growth-fund/ This Episode Aspen Funds’ Ben Fraser and Ellis Hammond return to PassivePockets for an exclusive LP Deal Review on their Industrial Growth Fund—an industrial land + development strategy concentrated in Kansas City’s “Golden Triangle” submarket. Chris, along with LP panelists Pascal Wagner and Christy Burakovsky, breaks down the thesis behind the fund: why Kansas City is positioned as a major industrial “supernode,” how onshoring and supply chain reshoring supports long-term demand, and why Aspen is focusing on smaller-bay industrial where vacancy has remained structurally tight. The discussion digs into how value is created before a building ever goes vertical, buying raw land, pushing it through entitlements, securing meaningful tax abatements, and turning it into shovel-ready inventory in a supply-constrained corridor. From there, Aspen has multiple paths to realize gains: sell parcels to owner-users and developers at a premium, develop spec/build-to-suit projects themselves, and/or structure JV partnerships where the fund contributes land into projects. The LP panel also pushes hard on the questions that matter to passive investors: how timelines and exits actually work in a multi-asset land fund, what “lumpy” distributions look like vs steady yield, how the cumulative preferred return accrues, and what happens if market conditions delay sales. Finally, Aspen outlines special PassivePockets terms, lower minimums and improved economics if the community hits a group investment threshold. Key Takeaways Why Aspen is concentrating in Kansas City’s “Golden Triangle” and what makes the submarket supply-constrained How industrial tailwinds (onshoring/reshoring + logistics corridors) support long-term demand in KC The value creation stack: raw land → entitlements/tax abatements → shovel-ready uplift → land sales and/or vertical development Fund cash flow realities: event-driven distributions (land sales/refis/sales), not consistent monthly income PassivePockets community terms: lower minimum and improved pref/split if the group minimum is reached, plus a cumulative preferred return structure Disclaimer The content of this podcast is for informational purposes only. All host and participant opinions are their own. Investment in any asset, real estate included, involves risk, so use your best judgment and consult with qualified advisors before investing. You should only risk capital you can afford to lose. Past performance is not indicative of future results. This podcast may contain paid advertisements or other promotional materials for real estate investment advisers, investment funds, and investment opportunities, which should not be interpreted as a recommendation, endorsement, or testimonial by PassivePockets, LLC or any of its affiliates. Viewers must conduct their own due diligence and consider their own financial situations before engaging with any advertised offerings, products, or services. PassivePockets, LLC disclaims all liability for direct, indirect, consequential, or other damages arising out of reliance on information and advertisements presented in this podcast.