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Welcome to the Off The Tools Podcast, where two of the UK's best trade business coaches, Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones, deliver tons of free value week in week out to help trade business owners level up their business and more importantly themselves. Wayne Bettess & Andrew Jones are passionate entrepreneurs & trade business owners themselves who are committed to personal and professional development. on this channel, Wayne & Andy share their wisdom on mindset, self-development, and offer glimpses into how to create a life that is one of choice and freedom.

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October 28, 2026Episode 511 hr 5 min

#51 From Trouble at School to Jiu-Jitsu Coach at 16 | Sam Neill on Discipline, Purpose & Life

What happens when a young lad who's struggling at school finds something that completely changes his direction in life? In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones are joined by a very special guest, 16-year-old Sam Neill , a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blue belt, MMA competitor, personal trainer in training and martial arts coach. And at just 16, Sam has already learnt some valuable lessons about discipline, responsibility, confidence and finding your purpose. After struggling at school, getting involved with the wrong crowd and heading towards being kicked out, a conversation with his maths teacher introduced him to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. That decision changed everything. Today, Sam trains, competes internationally and coaches younger children, helping them develop the same confidence and discipline that helped him turn things around. But this conversation goes far beyond martial arts. Wayne and Andy explore what Sam's journey can teach us about business, fatherhood, education, personal development and the importance of surrounding yourself with the right people. Inside this episode, we cover: How Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu helped Sam turn his life around Why discipline and having a purpose matter at any age Going from struggling at school to coaching other children at 16 How martial arts can improve confidence, focus and self-control Why getting started is often the hardest part The importance of good teachers, coaches and mentors How Jiu-Jitsu helps business owners switch off from everyday stress Why martial arts can be especially beneficial for young lads How training together can strengthen the bond between fathers and sons Why the traditional education system doesn't suit everyone Apprenticeships, university and alternative career paths Why practical skills and real-world experience deserve more recognition How discipline, consistency and taking action apply to both life and business For the dads listening, this is a particularly valuable conversation. If you've got a teenage son who's struggling at school, lacking direction, finding it difficult to concentrate or simply hasn't found something he's passionate about, Sam's story is well worth hearing. And for business owners, the lessons are just as relevant. The importance of having a mission, developing discipline, finding good mentors and taking that first step applies whether you're stepping onto a Jiu-Jitsu mat for the first time or trying to build a better business. Sometimes all it takes is the right person, the right opportunity and the courage to give something a go. Off The Tools Alliance — Helping UK tradesmen build better businesses and create more Time, Freedom & Profit. https://offthetools.co.uk The 90 Day Forge — Our intensive 12-week programme helping plumbing and heating business owners build stronger foundations, implement systems and take control of their businesses. https://offthetools.co.uk/90dayforge You don't need to have everything figured out. You just need to start. At 16, Sam has already discovered something that many people spend their whole lives searching for — a purpose, a passion and people who genuinely want to see him succeed. Whether you're a teenager trying to find your direction, a dad wanting to help your kids, or a business owner looking to make changes, the principle is the same. Find your purpose. Surround yourself with the right people. Build discipline. Keep showing up. Because sometimes the biggest changes in life start with one small decision. 🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway

October 21, 2026Episode 5040 min

#50 Stop Chasing Money You've Already Earned! Why Tradesmen Should Get Paid Upfront

You've done the work. You've supplied the materials. You've used your time, fuel and expertise. So why are you still chasing the customer to get paid? In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle one of the biggest problems in the trade industry — doing the work first and hoping you get paid afterwards. It's something we've all become so used to that we rarely question it. But why should tradesmen effectively offer customers interest-free credit? Wayne shares his recent experience of introducing upfront payments into his heating business, and the difference it made almost immediately. Five breakdown visits. Five customers prepaid. No chasing invoices, no awkward payment conversations and a weight lifted that Wayne didn't even realise he was carrying. But there's more to this than simply asking customers for money upfront. Inside this episode, we cover: Why tradesmen should reconsider getting paid after completing work How upfront payments improve cash flow and reduce stress Why getting paid before attending a job changes the customer relationship How Wayne introduced prepayment into his heating business Why good systems, admin support and professional quoting matter How QuoteLion helps customers understand exactly what they're paying for Why managing customer expectations is essential for fault-finding visits How reviews, branding and professionalism build trust Why taking payment on site is a good first step How prepayment helps prevent undercharging for quick diagnostic visits Why your expertise should be valued, regardless of how quickly you diagnose a fault How small changes to your business processes can make a massive difference Whether you're a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer or another trade business owner, this episode will challenge the way you think about getting paid. Wayne and Andy also explain why running a professional business with proper systems, communication, clear pricing and customer expectations makes introducing upfront payments far easier than most tradesmen think. Because the reality is, it's not just about customers who don't pay. It's about the stress, wasted time and uncertainty of chasing money that should already be yours. At Off The Tools Alliance , we help UK tradesmen stop working harder for less and start building properly structured, profitable businesses. From pricing and quoting to automation, customer communication, admin and systems, we help you put the foundations in place to create more Time, Freedom & Profit . Find out more: https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call with Wayne or Andy: https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Stop chasing money you've already earned. Get your systems right, be transparent with your customers, set clear expectations and start getting paid properly. Because running a business shouldn't mean finishing the job and then wondering whether you're actually going to get paid. Get paid. Get organised. Get Off The Tools. 🔗 Take Your Business To The Next Level💥 Key Takeaway

October 14, 2026Episode 4918 min

#49 The 90 Day Forge: Building The Foundations Of Your Heating Business

In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones introduce something brand new from Off The Tools: The 90 Day Forge. This is not just another online course. The 90 Day Forge is a hands-on, 90-day programme built specifically for plumbing and heating business owners who want to finally get the foundations of their business in place. Over 12 weeks, Wayne and Andy will work with a limited group of heating business owners to help them understand their numbers, price for profit, build proper quoting systems, collect more reviews, improve marketing, set up CRM automation, create recurring revenue, strengthen their systems and step properly into the role of business owner. This episode explains what The Forge is, who it is for, how it works, and why it has been built to be fast, focused and practical. Inside this episode, we cover: What The 90 Day Forge is Why the word “Forge” matters Why change requires pressure, heat and action Why January is the perfect time to reset your business Why the programme is limited to 20 places How the 12-week structure works Why this is hands-on, not just passive learning How Pricing Lion helps you understand your numbers Why Quote Lion is a key part of the programme How Review Lion helps build trust and social proof How Sales Lion helps automate the customer journey Why recurring revenue and care plans matter How systems, time and team shape the business Why the final stage focuses on KPIs and the next 90 days The Forge is designed for heating business owners who are tired of winging it and want to build their business properly. Whether you are new to Off The Tools, already in the Alliance, or feel like your business needs a serious reset, this programme is designed to give you structure, accountability and practical implementation. This is not about watching videos and hoping something changes. This is about getting in the trenches, building the tools, setting up the systems and walking away after 90 days with stronger foundations in place. The first cohort of The 90 Day Forge launches in January, with only 20 places available . Join the waiting list here: https://offthetools.co.uk/90dayforge Most tradesmen do not fail because they are bad at the trade. They struggle because the foundations of the business are missing. The 90 Day Forge is built to help heating business owners put those foundations in place — pricing, quoting, reviews, CRM, systems, recurring revenue, KPIs and the business owner mindset. Ninety days. Two live sessions a week. Built with you, not just taught at you. Join The Waiting ListKey Takeaway

October 7, 2026Episode 4837 min

#48 Stop Paying Out Of Your Own Pocket: Why Fuel Prices Mean Trades Must Raise Their Prices

n this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle a subject every trade business owner needs to hear right now: rising fuel prices and why you must stop absorbing business costs yourself. With diesel prices pushing towards and beyond £2 per litre in some areas, the cost of running vans, engineers, tools, materials, deliveries and day-to-day operations is climbing fast. But far too many tradesmen are still trying to keep customers happy by taking the hit themselves. Wayne and Andy explain why that mindset is dangerous. If your costs go up and your prices stay the same, your profit is the thing that disappears. Inside this episode, we cover: Why rising fuel costs must be passed on to the customer Why absorbing extra costs damages your profit How one van can quietly cost thousands more per year Why business costs must be built into your pricing Why “I don’t want to upset the customer” is poor business thinking How job management and quoting software help lock in proper pricing Why every trade business should know its numbers Why annual price reviews are not enough in a fast-changing market How fuel prices affect the wider supply chain Why sole traders often miss the real cost of running a van Why being busy but underpriced still leaves you broke How the Off The Tools Pricing Calculator helps expose the real numbers This episode is perfect for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners who are feeling the squeeze from fuel, materials, labour, tax, insurance and running costs. Because the truth is simple: You are not there to subsidise your customers. You are there to run a profitable, sustainable business. Wayne and Andy also introduce The 90 Day Forge , the new Off The Tools programme launching in January. This is an intense 90-day programme designed to help heating business owners build stronger foundations, understand their pricing, implement systems, improve quoting, collect reviews, build better customer journeys and step properly into the role of business owner. When fuel prices rise, material prices rise, supply chains rise and operating costs rise, your prices need to rise too. Otherwise, you are not protecting your customers. You are simply taking money out of your own pocket to keep everyone else comfortable. Key Takeaway

September 30, 2026Episode 4742 min

#47 The Trade Industry Has A Victim Mentality

In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle a mindset that holds far too many tradesmen back: victim mentality. From blaming cheap competitors, the economy, customers, VAT, tax, accountants, staff, lead platforms and “the race to the bottom”, too many trade business owners give away their power instead of taking ownership of the business they are building. Wayne and Andy break down why it is only a race to the bottom if you choose to run in that race — and why the real opportunity in 2026 is to compete on value , not just price. They discuss why customers are willing to pay more when the experience around the job is better: faster communication, proper booking confirmations, on-the-way messages, clear pricing, good software, strong reviews, professional branding and a business that feels reliable from start to finish. Inside this episode, we cover: Why “race to the bottom” is often an excuse Why cheap competitors are not your real problem How to compete on value instead of price Why customers pay more for a better experience Why answering the phone and communicating properly matters How victim mentality shows up in pricing, VAT, tax and staffing Why blaming customers keeps tradesmen stuck Why your current customers may not be your future customers How better systems and software help you charge more Why business owners need to think like problem solvers Why surrounding yourself with the right people changes your standards Book recommendations for mindset, ownership and resilience This episode is perfect for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners who feel frustrated with the market, pricing, customers or competition — but know deep down they need to take more ownership. Because the truth is, two businesses in the same town, doing the same trade, in the same economy, can get completely different results. The difference is usually mindset, standards, systems and the willingness to take responsibility. It is only a race to the bottom if you choose to compete at the bottom. Stop blaming the market, the customers, the government, the accountant, the competition or the economy. Take ownership, build more value, improve the customer experience, charge properly, and surround yourself with people who are moving forward — not moaning from the sidelines. Key Takeaway

September 23, 2026Episode 4640 min

#46 Stop Taking Advice From Broke Tradesmen

In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones talk about one of the biggest things holding tradesmen back: taking advice from the wrong people. There are plenty of people in the trade industry willing to give advice. Some mean well. Some are stuck in the past. Some are projecting their own limits onto you. And some simply haven’t built the kind of business you actually want. Wayne and Andy break down why you need to be careful who you listen to, especially when it comes to pricing, hiring, marketing, software, AI, admin, growth and building a real business. A simple question to ask yourself is: Would you swap your business for theirs? If the answer is no, be careful how much weight you give their advice. Inside this episode, we cover: Why broke tradesmen often give dangerous business advice Why experience alone does not always mean good advice Why “I’ve done it this way for 30 years” can hold you back How outdated thinking keeps tradesmen stuck Why pricing advice from cheap tradesmen can damage your business Why taking advice from family and friends can be risky The danger of listening to people who have never built what you want Why trade businesses need current advice, not advice from 10 years ago How AI, software and customer expectations are changing the game Why AI is a tool, not a magic replacement for people Why surrounding yourself with the right people changes your standards Why being in the right environment helps you think bigger This episode is perfect for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners who want to grow but keep getting pulled back by old-school advice, negative opinions or people telling them what cannot be done. Because the truth is, the advice you follow shapes the business you build. If you keep listening to people who are stuck, you will probably stay stuck. If this episode hits home and you know it is time to stop winging it, stop taking advice from the wrong people, and start building your business properly, then The 90 Day Forge has been built for you. This is Off The Tools’ new 90-day programme designed to help heating business owners forge the foundations of a stronger, more profitable and more organised business. Over 90 days, we help you focus on the key areas that matter — pricing, systems, numbers, marketing, software, admin, customer journey, and the mindset shift from tradesman to business owner. It is not about fluffy motivation. It is about building the foundations properly so you can create more time, more freedom and more profit. Find out more here: https://offthetools.co.uk/90dayforge Be careful who you take advice from. Someone might have good intentions, but if they have not built what you want to build, their advice could keep you stuck. Take advice from people who are ahead of you, people who are current, people who understand the modern trade industry, and people who have actually built what they are talking about.

September 16, 2026Episode 4538 min

#45 “I Can’t Charge That” — The Pricing Mindset Keeping Tradesmen Stuck

“I Can’t Charge That” — The Pricing Mindset Keeping Tradesmen Stuck In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones tackle one of the biggest pricing problems in the trade industry: “I can’t charge that.” After seeing comments from tradesmen claiming you cannot charge more than a certain day rate or hourly rate in their area, Wayne and Andy break down why this mindset is holding so many plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, joiners, builders and trade business owners back. The truth is, most tradesmen are not pricing based on their actual business costs, profit targets, overheads, time, risk or value. They are pricing based on what other accidental business owners are charging. Wayne and Andy explain why £60–£80 per hour might feel normal in the trade industry, but often leaves no real profit once you factor in fuel, vans, admin, tools, insurance, tax, holidays, downtime, quoting time and the cost of actually running a business. Inside this episode, we cover: Why “I can’t charge that” is often a business owner problem Why copying local competitors is dangerous Why most trade pricing is built by accidental business owners How to reverse-engineer your hourly rate properly Why profit must be built into your pricing The difference between price and value Why some businesses can charge £150+ VAT per hour Why customers pay more when the value is clear How reviews help justify premium pricing Why Review Lion helps build trust across multiple platforms Why branding, websites, workwear and van presentation matter Why customer experience wraps around the job itself Why your current customers might not be your future customers How marketing helps you attract better-paying customers Why cheap customers often keep you trapped Why different trades need different pricing models Why knowing your numbers is non-negotiable This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who know they need to put their prices up but keep talking themselves out of it. Whether you are a heating engineer, plumber, electrician, builder, carpenter, joiner or trade business owner, this episode will challenge how you think about pricing, value, positioning and profit. Because the issue is not always that customers will not pay more. Sometimes the issue is that your business is not positioned, branded, reviewed, marketed or systemised well enough to justify charging more yet. You cannot just wake up tomorrow and charge premium prices. You have to build a business that delivers premium value. Better systems, better reviews, better communication, better branding, better marketing and a better customer experience all give you the confidence and proof to charge what the business actually needs. If you keep pricing like everyone else, you will stay stuck like everyone else. Key Takeaway You cannot just wake up tomorrow and charge premium prices. You have to build a business that delivers premium value. Better systems, better reviews, better communication, better branding, better marketing and a better customer experience all give you the confidence and proof to charge what the business actually needs. If you keep pricing like everyone else, you will stay stuck like everyone else.

September 9, 2026Episode 4436 min

#44 Silly Season Is Here: How Heating Engineers Can Survive Winter Without Losing Their Head

Silly Season Is Here: How Heating Engineers Can Survive Winter Without Losing Their Head In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones talk about the start of silly season in the heating industry — that busy period when the weather turns, boilers start breaking down, customers become urgent, and the next few months can quickly become a blur. Although this episode is aimed mainly at heating engineers, the message applies to any trade business with seasonal busy periods. Wayne and Andy discuss how tradesmen can use the busy season properly, not just to survive, but to build stronger systems, capture more customers, collect more reviews, improve communication and prepare the business for quieter months. Inside this episode, we cover: Why September marks the start of silly season for heating engineers Why fast quoting matters when things get busy How missed phone calls hand work to your competitors Why customer communication should not be the first thing you cut How AI call answering can help as a backup Why admin support is still the long-term solution How to capture boiler service work during winter Why reviews matter more during high-volume periods How service plans can help carry you through summer Why winter cash should be used to build better systems How to avoid burning out during the busiest months Why your busy season should help build a business, not just create chaos This episode is perfect for heating engineers, plumbers, gas engineers and trade business owners who are heading into their busiest period and want to avoid the usual winter overwhelm. If you normally spend silly season missing calls, quoting late at night, rushing between jobs, letting standards slip and hoping the money carries you through summer, this episode will challenge how you think. The goal is not just to be busy. The goal is to use the busy season to create more reviews, more recurring work, better systems, stronger customer relationships and a business that does not fall apart every winter. Silly season will expose the weaknesses in your business. Missed calls, slow quotes, poor communication, no review system, no service reminders and no plan for summer will all cost you money. Use the busy months wisely. Capture the work, build the systems, protect your headspace and create something that lasts beyond winter. Key Takeaway Silly season will expose the weaknesses in your business. Missed calls, slow quotes, poor communication, no review system, no service reminders and no plan for summer will all cost you money. Use the busy months wisely. Capture the work, build the systems, protect your headspace and create something that lasts beyond winter.

September 2, 2026Episode 431 hr 5 min

#43 Paid Ads For Trades: Why More Leads Won’t Fix A Broken Business

In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones are joined by Mark Clifford , founder of Online Digital , a paid ads and digital marketing agency specialising in Facebook Ads, Google Ads, TikTok, email marketing, AI and automation. This episode tackles one of the biggest mistakes UK tradesmen make when they want to grow: thinking more leads will fix everything. Wayne, Andy and Mark break down why paid ads can be powerful for plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, builders, gas engineers and trade business owners — but only when the business has the right foundations in place first. If you cannot answer the phone, follow up quickly, understand your numbers, manage enquiries properly or convert leads into paying customers, then spending money on Google Ads or Facebook Ads will only expose the cracks in your business faster. Inside this episode, we cover: Why paid ads are not a magic fix for trade businesses What tradesmen need in place before running Google Ads or Facebook Ads Why answering the phone quickly matters more than ever The danger of paying for leads you cannot handle Why speed to lead is crucial in emergency trade work How cost per acquisition affects profit Why you must know your numbers before working with an ad agency How to spot whether an agency understands your business Why more leads can create more chaos without admin and systems Why hiring, delegation and follow-up are key to scaling The difference between buying leads and building a real business Why marketing, software and admin should be seen as investments, not costs This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who are thinking about running paid ads, have been burned by an agency before, or feel like they need more leads but are not sure where to start. Mark also shares practical advice on what a good ad agency should be asking before they take your money — including whether you can actually handle the enquiry volume and whether you understand the type of customer who buys from your business. If you are a plumber, heating engineer, electrician, gas engineer, builder or trades business owner looking to grow, this episode will help you understand why marketing only works properly when your back-end systems, follow-up and numbers are in place. More leads will not fix a broken business. If you cannot answer quickly, follow up properly, quote fast, know your numbers and convert enquiries, paid ads will just burn cash. Build the foundations first — then marketing can become a revenue driver, not just another cost. 💥 Key Takeaway More leads will not fix a broken business. If you cannot answer quickly, follow up properly, quote fast, know your numbers and convert enquiries, paid ads will just burn cash. Build the foundations first — then marketing can become a revenue driver, not just another cost.

August 26, 2026Episode 4250 min

#42 The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 2

The Hidden Costs Killing Your Trade Business Profit: Part 2 In this episode of the Off The Tools Podcast , Wayne Bettess and Andy Jones continue part two of their deep dive into the hidden costs that are quietly destroying profit in UK trade businesses. After covering the first ten hidden profit leaks in part one, Wayne and Andy move into the next set of problems that hold tradesmen back — from staff turnover and poor time management to weak systems, customer churn, bad purchasing decisions, equipment downtime and the wrong mindset. Most plumbers, heating engineers, electricians, gas engineers, builders and trades business owners do not lose profit from one massive mistake. They lose it through lots of small leaks that build up over time. Poor hiring. Not knowing the numbers. Quoting badly. Managing time poorly. Selling on price instead of value. Avoiding training. Having no systems. Losing existing customers. Buying badly. Letting vans and equipment break down. Thinking like a tradesman instead of a business owner. Inside this episode, we cover: Why staff turnover costs trade businesses so much money How poor hiring and weak onboarding damage growth Why knowing your numbers is non-negotiable How Making Tax Digital could force better money management Why poor time management kills profit Why selling on price instead of value is a race to the bottom The importance of business training and mentorship Why no systems means lost customers and lost income How customer churn quietly drains your business Why poor purchasing and bad stock control reduce margins How van and equipment downtime can wipe out profit Why mindset is one of the biggest hidden costs in business This episode is perfect for UK tradesmen who are busy, working hard and bringing money in — but still feel like they are not keeping enough of it. If you want more time, freedom and profit, you need to stop ignoring the hidden leaks in your business and start running it like a proper business owner. Find out more about Off The Tools Alliance : https://offthetools.co.uk Book a free discovery call: https://offthetools.co.uk/discovery-call Listen to more Off The Tools Podcast episodes: https://offthetools.co.uk/podcast Explore QuoteLion: https://quotelion.co.uk A trade business does not usually fail from one big hit. It fails from death by a thousand cuts. Small leaks in time, pricing, systems, stock, staff, customers and mindset slowly drain the profit until the owner is working harder than ever with less to show for it. Find the leaks. Fix the systems. Know your numbers. Think like a business owner. SEO-Friendly Podcast Description🔗 Useful Links💥 Key Takeaway