Narativ Leadership Story Talks

In this debrief episode, Julienne and Jerome reflect on the thought-provoking conversation from Episode 133 with Carlo Odicino, who challenges the commonly accepted notion of "work-life balance." Carlo rejects the idea that work should be viewed as separate from life, arguing instead that we should strive for balance in life itself, integrating both work and non-work activities. Jerome and Julienne discuss the implications of this perspective, particularly for individuals working in purpose-driven industries like life sciences.Key Takeaways:Purpose and Passion in Work: Carlo's point about the connection between passion for one's work and the risk of burnout resonates, especially in fields like life sciences, where people are often deeply driven by a personal connection to their mission. Even in purpose-driven careers, the boundaries between work and personal life can blur, leading to challenges in maintaining balance.Life Balance, Not Work-Life Balance: The idea of life balance emphasizes that all aspects of life—work, family, health, and leisure—are interconnected. Finding a balance between these elements is essential, but it requires conscious effort and self-awareness.Burnout in Purpose-Driven Careers: Even in industries where people are passionate and driven by a sense of mission, burnout is a real concern. Jerome shares insights from a recent collaboration with a pharmaceutical company where storytelling was used as a strategy to combat burnout and foster a sense of appreciation among employees.Celebrating Achievements and Pausing: One approach to addressing burnout is taking intentional pauses to celebrate achievements, both big and small. Recognizing and appreciating the hard work of employees can go a long way in reducing stress and creating a more sustainable work culture.Using Stories to Foster Engagement: Sharing personal stories within an organization can help employees feel valued and connected to the larger mission. Storytelling, as seen in the example of the pharmaceutical company, creates a sense of belonging and reinforces the organization's values.Reflection Prompts:How do you currently manage the balance between your work and personal life?What boundaries (or lack thereof) do you see in your own life between work, rest, and other responsibilities?How can you create more space for celebration and pauses in your work culture to prevent burnout?Call to Action: Get 25% off our self-paced online course Lead With Your Story, created in partnership withParticipate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Jerome Deroy and Julienne Ryan welcome Kevin Eikenberry, Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group and author of Flexible Leadership: Navigate Uncertainty and Lead with Confidence. With over 30 years of experience developing leaders across the globe, Kevin brings fresh insight into what it takes to lead effectively in today’s complex, ever-shifting workplace.This conversation goes beyond frameworks and titles. It’s about mindset. Kevin shares how flexibility, paradox, and curiosity can be the keys to unlocking potential—in ourselves and others.You’ll Hear:🌀 Why “flexible” leadership is today’s must-have skill – and how it differs from indecision or inconsistency.🔄 Leadership as leverage – how one small comment from a leader can unintentionally ripple into weeks of work.🧠 From Asking to Advising – striking the right balance as a coach, manager, or mentor.🌱 The Power of Perspective – why the stories that shape us (like Kevin’s moment with a neighboring farmer) can guide how we lead.🤝 Unlocking Potential – how belief, trust, and curiosity influence our ability to grow others.🛠️ Leadership in a Remote World – what’s changed, what hasn’t, and how to stop yearning for a workplace that no longer exists.Key Takeaways:✅ Leadership isn’t a title—it’s a choice made moment to moment.✅ Uncertainty is a constant—flexibility helps us meet it with confidence.✅ The best coaches and leaders flex between asking powerful questions and offering targeted advice.✅ We all have influence—and sometimes, it’s the smallest things we say that have the biggest impact.✅ If you want to lead people well, start by believing in their potential.Resources:📘 Flexible Leadership book🌐 Website📚 Blog🎙 Podcast🔗 LinkedIn👍 Facebook📸 Instagram🐦 Twitter▶️ YouTube🎵 TikTok🎁 Don’t miss KevParticipate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this debrief episode, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their conversation with Jennifer Langton, former NFL executive and champion of player safety, innovation, and ethical tech. They discuss how Jennifer’s unique leadership style—grounded in empathy, curiosity, and continuous learning—led to groundbreaking work in AI and athlete health, and what we can all take from her example.At a time when tech often feels impersonal, Jennifer's story is a reminder that the most effective innovation happens when people are placed at the center.You’ll Hear:💡 Empathy as a Leadership Strategy – How Jennifer built trust across disciplines by leading with compassion and listening first.🧠 Becoming a Student Again – Why great leaders are willing to admit what they don’t know and learn from subject matter experts around them.🏈 A Mission-Driven Approach to Innovation – How her work at the NFL prioritized player health, making the use of AI truly purpose-driven.🎤 From Injury to Impact – How a personal turning point shaped Jennifer’s trajectory and deepened her leadership values.🌟 The Power of Pivots – Why stories of resilience—especially from athletes and performers—carry powerful lessons for anyone navigating change.Key Takeaways:✅ Human-First Leadership Wins – Progress happens when you start with people, not processes or platforms.✅ Expertise Is Everywhere – Great leaders don’t have all the answers. They know how to bring the right voices into the room—and listen.✅ Your Story Is Your Strength – Personal turning points, like Jennifer’s athletic injury, often spark the greatest professional growth.✅ Performance Meets Presence – In high-stakes roles, being grounded in your values and present in your relationships is what sustains long-term success.✅ Inspiration Is Contagious – When leaders model empathy and learning, it empowers others to do the same—and creates cultures where collaboration thrives.For anyone looking to grow as a leader while staying true to themselves, this episode is a must-listen.🎧 Tune in and be inspired by what’s possible when compassion meets strategy.Participate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

Hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy sit down with Anil Singhal, CEO and Co-founder of NETSCOUT and author of The 5% Rule of Leadership. With 40 years at the helm of a company that has grown from a startup to a billion-dollar enterprise, Anil brings a wealth of wisdom grounded in experience, fairness, and deeply held values.Anil shares the story behind his book and the powerful leadership framework it introduces: focus early effort on the most impactful decisions—the crucial 5% that drive 95% of outcomes. What begins as a principle becomes a company-wide approach that promotes empathy, trust, retention, and transparency across a global organization.You’ll Hear:The Story Behind the 5% Rule – How Anil developed this concept over decades and why he uses it to mentor the next generation of leaders.Fairness as a Leadership Strategy – How fairness leads to better transparency, stronger culture, and better business results.The Power of Listening – Why defining problems clearly—before proposing solutions—builds alignment, trust, and efficiency.Human-Centered Succession Planning – How NETSCOUT is building its future through policies, alumni networks, and long-term values.Storytelling as a Leadership Tool – How shared stories and lived values are the key to knowledge transfer, employee engagement, and long-term success.Key Takeaways:Start with Values – Whether you’re founding a company or leading through change, define and stick to your values—especially in tough times.Focus on the First 5% – Strategic preparation early on reduces wasted effort and improves long-term outcomes.Trust Multiplies Over Time – Invest in relationships early and avoid transactional behavior (like earn-outs) that can erode long-term commitment.Institutionalize What Works – Codify successful practices so they’re scalable and repeatable, even after leadership transitions.Prioritize People – Start with happy employees. They create happy customers, which leads to happy shareholders.This episode is essential listening for any leader—whether you're building a startup or guiding a legacy company into the future.Resources:📘 Anil’s Book: The 5% Rule of Leadershipwww.5percentrulebook.com👨‍💼 Connect with Anil Singhal on LinkedInlinkedin.com/in/anil-singhal🏢 Follow NETSCOUTParticipate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this special episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy step back from their usual format to address something that’s on many people’s minds—uncertainty. With rapid change, economic anxiety, and social division dominating conversations, they explore how we can approach difficult moments with intention, curiosity, and connection.This conversation is a raw and honest reflection on how we process change, find common ground with others, and build bridges in challenging times. Whether it’s through personal reflection, seeking support, or simply stepping into a conversation with openness, this episode is an invitation to navigate uncertainty with purpose.You’ll Hear:The Power of Self-Reflection – Why challenging our own assumptions can help us better engage with others in uncertain times.Navigating Fear and Anxiety – Understanding our natural responses to uncertainty—fight, flight, or freeze—and how to work through them.Leaning on Your Community – The importance of identifying supportive spaces and trusted individuals who provide judgment-free conversation.Finding Small Anchors in Conversations – How shared human experiences, even as simple as a comment about the weather or a shared hobby, can open the door to deeper connection.Moving Through the Unknown with Action – How small, intentional steps—whether through movement, self-care, or playfulness—can shift our mindset and help us navigate uncertainty with more confidence.Key Takeaways:Look Inward Before Looking Outward – Before engaging in difficult conversations, take time to understand your own assumptions and emotions.Find a Safe Space for Honest Dialogue – Whether it’s a friend, mentor, or therapist, having a non-judgmental sounding board is invaluable.Reconnect with Playfulness and Creativity – Tapping into imagination and fun can help us envision a more positive future and take action toward it.Step into Conversations with Curiosity – Instead of avoiding difficult interactions, approach them with an open mind and a willingness to listen.Take Care of Yourself First – Movement, nature, and small grounding exercises can help shift from a place of fear to a place of possibility.We recorded this episode because, like many of you, we’re processing a lot right now. If you’re feeling uncertainty, we invite you to reflect, connect, and explore new ways of navigating change.Participate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this debrief episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their insightful conversation with Jeanne Martinet, author of The Art of Mingling and Mingling with the Enemy. Jeanne’s expertise in social interaction and connection offers a refreshing perspective on how we approach conversations—whether at networking events, social gatherings, or even in workplace meetings.This episode explores the power of intention when entering social spaces, how shifting your mindset can change interactions, and the surprising link between storytelling and meaningful connections.You’ll Hear:The Power of Intention – Why setting an intention before entering a social or professional situation can transform your experience.Reframing Social Anxiety – How shifting from a defensive mindset to one of openness and curiosity can make conversations more enjoyable.Fun as a Strategy – Why adopting a mindset of fun and playfulness can help break down barriers in social interactions.Lessons from Storytelling – How preparing for a conversation is similar to preparing to tell a compelling story—both require presence and awareness.Breaking Routines – The importance of stepping out of habitual ways of interacting and embracing the potential for surprise and discovery.Key Takeaways:Start with a Clear Intention – Before entering a conversation, ask yourself: What energy do I want to bring? How do I want to show up?Be Open to Surprise – Instead of assuming you know how an interaction will unfold, embrace discovery and let yourself be genuinely curious.Small Shifts Create Big Changes – Something as simple as walking into a room with a positive mindset can reshape the way others respond to you.Preparation Matters – Just as storytelling requires intentionality, so does effective mingling—approach interactions with thoughtfulness and purpose.Practice and Reflect – Try shifting your approach in social or work settings and take note of the results. What changed? How did people react?For those looking to enhance their ability to connect in any setting—whether at work, networking events, or social gatherings—this episode offers actionable insights and real-world strategies.Participate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy welcome Carlo Odicino, CEO and founder of One Team Partners. With over 24 years of experience scaling businesses—from Fortune 100 companies to early-stage startups—Carlo helps leaders bring their innovations to market without burning out.Carlo shares his player-coach approach to leadership, emphasizing the importance of self-management, creativity, and sustainable growth. Drawing from his experience in life sciences, entrepreneurship, and even high school theater direction, he reveals how leaders can balance ambition with well-being—and why the key to success isn’t working more, but working smarter.You’ll hear:🔹 Why "work-life balance" is a myth – Instead, Carlo explains how to build a life balance that integrates meaningful work with personal well-being.🔹 How founders and leaders fall into the burnout trap – The common assumptions and habits that lead to exhaustion, and how to break the cycle.🔹 Delegation is a superpower – Why learning to let go and trust others is critical for business growth (and personal sanity).🔹 The power of deep work – How multitasking keeps leaders from making real progress, and how to shift to focused, high-impact work.🔹 Lessons from the stage – How Carlo’s experience directing high school theater informs his leadership coaching, and what business leaders can learn from actors.Key Takeaways:✨ Lead Yourself First – Leadership starts with self-awareness, self-management, and owning your energy.✨ More Hours ≠ More Impact – Work smarter, not longer—sprinting all the time only leads to burnout.✨ Delegate and Trust – Scaling a business means letting go of control and allowing others to step up.✨ Creativity is a Leadership Skill – The best leaders embrace curiosity and innovation to solve complex challenges.Resources:WEBSITE: https://oneteampartners.com/CONTACT INFO: carlo.odicino@oneteampartners.comLinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/cjodicino/FREE GIFT FOR LISTENERS: Free 30-minute Clarity Call : https://oneteampartners.com/contact-us/📖 Deep Work by Cal NewpParticipate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this debrief episode, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their conversation with Lisa Hope Telstra and explore the art of navigating vulnerability in storytelling. They discuss the power of acknowledging emotions in real-time and how giving the audience guidance on how to receive a story can transform the experience for both the speaker and the listener.This episode is a reminder that storytelling—whether in a professional setting, a personal conversation, or on stage—is not just about what we say, but how we prepare our audience to engage with it.You’ll Hear:🎭 The Role of Emotional Transparency – How acknowledging emotions while telling a story can deepen audience engagement rather than distract from the message.🔄 Helping Your Audience Help You – Why guiding listeners on how to receive a story prevents discomfort and fosters understanding.🗣️ The Power of Naming the Moment – How simply stating, “I’m feeling nervous” or “This story is difficult to tell” can put both speaker and audience at ease.💡 Applying Storytelling to Everyday Situations – How vulnerability and presence apply beyond the stage, from job interviews to team meetings.📢 Why ‘Why Now?’ Matters – Understanding why a story needs to be told in the moment and how it aligns with the audience’s needs.Key Takeaways:✅ Emotions Are Not a Distraction – Acknowledging what you feel while sharing a story can create a stronger connection rather than pulling focus away.✅ Prepare Your Audience for the Journey – Whether it’s a personal story of loss or a business presentation, letting people know how to engage creates a better experience for everyone.✅ Define What Success Looks Like – Before sharing, ask yourself what you want your audience to take away—awareness, action, or simply acknowledgment.✅ Vulnerability is a Leadership Strength – Leaders who embrace their emotions and communicate openly foster trust and engagement in their teams.✅ Small Adjustments Make a Big Impact – Even in everyday conversations, offering simple context—“I just need you to listen”—helps people support you more effectively.For leaders, storytellers, and anyone navigating emotionally charged conversations, this episode provides valuable tools for turning vulnerability into a powerful communication asset.Participate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this episode of Leadership Story Talks, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy welcome Jennifer Langton, a dynamic business advisor, speaker, and former senior leader at the NFL and Atari. With a career spanning finance, sports, and AI-driven innovation, Jennifer shares her insights on transformational leadership, advocating for women in business, and the power of human connection in driving change.Jennifer’s journey—from being a four-time All-American lacrosse player to spearheading groundbreaking health and safety initiatives at the NFL—is a testament to resilience, strategic thinking, and passion-driven leadership. She dives into how emerging technologies like AI and data analytics are shaping industries and why the human element remains irreplaceable in leadership and innovation.You’ll hear:🔹 From the Lacrosse Field to the Boardroom – How Jennifer’s early experiences in competitive sports shaped her leadership mindset and resilience.🔹 Navigating Change in Male-Dominated Spaces – Lessons from her career at the NFL and how she positioned herself for high-impact leadership roles.🔹 The Power of Self-Advocacy – Jennifer shares how she created a LinkedIn roadmap to define her career trajectory and secure opportunities that aligned with her passion.🔹 Harnessing AI to Protect Athletes – How Jennifer led the development of the NFL’s Digital Athlete, an AI-powered system to predict and prevent injuries, reducing concussions to a historic low.🔹 Why Data Needs Human Insight – How AI and emerging technologies enhance, rather than replace, human decision-making in leadership and innovation.Key Takeaways:✨ Lead with Purpose – Passion-driven leadership creates impact and fosters personal fulfillment.✨ Advocate for Yourself – Craft your own roadmap, define your value, and position yourself for growth.✨ Innovation Requires Human Connection – AI and technology are powerful tools, but empathy and relationships drive real change.✨ Curiosity and Adaptability Are Leadership Superpowers – Being open to learning from experts and new disciplines fuels career success.Resources:🌐 Jennifer Langton’s Website: jenniferlangtoninc.com📷 Instagram: @jenny_langton🔗 LinkedIn: Jennifer LangtonParticipate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here

In this debrief episode, hosts Julienne Ryan and Jerome Deroy reflect on their conversation with Sona Sherratt (featured in Episode 125) and dive into the critical role storytelling plays in fostering belonging in the workplace. They explore how policies often fall short when they are disconnected from real human experiences and why sharing personal stories can bridge the gap between corporate initiatives and genuine inclusion.This episode is a call to action for leaders and organizations to move beyond checkbox diversity efforts and create spaces where employees' authentic experiences shape workplace culture.You’ll Hear:💡 From Policy to People – How well-intended corporate programs can feel empty if they don’t originate from real employee experiences.🎭 The Power of Everyday Conversations – Why informal moments—like sitting on a stairwell with a colleague—can lead to deeper understanding than any PowerPoint presentation.📢 Belonging Through Storytelling – How real, lived experiences help people connect beyond job titles, creating a workplace culture that feels authentic and inclusive.🔄 Flipping the Perspective – Why leaders who share personal stories—especially about moments of exclusion—can foster a culture of trust and openness.💬 The Role of Active Listening – How simply acknowledging someone’s experience can be a game-changer for inclusion, team collaboration, and personal growth.Key Takeaways:✅ Policies Should Emerge from People, Not Checklists – Employees resonate with initiatives that reflect their real experiences, not jargon-heavy mandates.✅ Stories Create Bridges – Sharing personal experiences builds understanding across different perspectives, fostering a culture of authenticity.✅ Vulnerability Strengthens Leadership – When leaders share their own moments of exclusion or struggle, they create an environment where others feel safe to do the same.✅ Humanity Over Headlines – It’s not about chasing trends in DEI, but about making meaningful, human-centered connections.✅ Everyday Moments Matter – Whether it's a hallway conversation or a small act of listening, these micro-interactions shape workplace culture more than any formal training ever could.For those looking to go beyond surface-level DEI efforts and build cultures rooted in authenticity and belonging, this episode offers valuable insights and practical takeaways.Participate in Narativ’s Online Course: Lead With Your StoryLearn how to craft and communicate your leadership story.Self-paced, 100% online.Use code NARATIV for 25% off → Register Here Learn more about how to leverage Narativ’s storytelling method for your pitch and sales team: Download our free e-book, or you’re welcome to schedule a free 15-minute call with Jerome. Please join our mailing list to stay updated on all our latest episodes and events. EMAIL Jerome@narativ.comLINKEDIN https://www.linkedin.com/company/narativ-incTWITTER @narativBuy Julienne’s book here