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Our goal is to take a hard look at the shortcomings in literacy education and tech while still finding a sense of hope in what's possible in education through learning and technology. Our guests include non-profit leaders, tech CEOs, state and district leadership, research leaders from top institutions, and a few teachers with stories that might bring you to tears. Hosted by Laura Glaab, VP of Strategy at Amira Learning. She is a lifetime educator following behind educator parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. She's worked as a teacher and leader in public, private, and charter schools in places as far as India and as close to home as Boulder, Colorado. She holds degrees from Stanford, the University of Wyoming, and Kellogg School of Management. She thinks everyone should read Saint Joan by George Bernard Shaw and the entire Piggie and Elephant Collection by Mo Willems. More Than a Test is brought to you by Amira Learning. ---- About More Than a Test Our goal is to take a hard look at the shortcomings in literacy education and tech while still finding a sense of hope in what's possible in education through learning and technology. Our guests include non-profit leaders, tech CEOs, state and district leadership, research leaders from top institutions, and a few teachers with stories that might bring you to tears. Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0JWhVG2nXZfC3FxOviFoR0 Listen on Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/more-than-a-test/id1685012543 Listen on Other Platforms: https://more-than-a-test.captivate.fm/ ---- About Amira Learning Amira is the world’s first intelligent reading assistant that provides personalized tutoring to students at school, after school, or at home. Students working with Amira experience significant improvements in their reading fluency. About your Host, Laura Glaab Laura Glaab is a VP of Strategy at Amira Learning. She is a lifetime educator following behind educator parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents. She's worked as a teacher and leader in public, private, and charter schools in places as far as India and as close to home as Boulder, Colorado. She holds degrees from Stanford, the University of Wyoming, and Kellogg School of Management. She thinks everyone should read Saint Joan by George Bernard Shaw and the entire Piggie and Elephant Collection by Mo Willems. Connect with Laura LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/laura-glaab/ ---- Visit Amira Learning: https://www.amiralearning.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/amira-learning YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@amira-learning Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/amira_learning/?hl=en Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/p/Amira-Learning-App-100064672554061/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/AmiraLearning ---- Produced by Old Soul: https://bit.ly/3KuYfrD

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April 17, 2025Episode 7948 min

Fostering Belonging and Inclusion at Alamo Heights with Dr. Dana Bashara

In this episode, host Jennie Tookoian engages in a rich conversation with Dr. Dana Bashara, the superintendent of the Alamo Heights Independent School District in Central San Antonio. Dr. Bashara embodies the belief that education is a heartfelt mission beyond just a career path, infusing her leadership with purpose and personal engagement.Alamo Heights stands out for its historical roots dating back to 1909 and its strong sense of community, serving 4,800 students across five campuses within a unique, landlocked nine square miles. Dr. Bashara, who has dedicated nearly three decades to the district, shines a light on the district's emphasis on belonging, diversity, and academic excellence, harmoniously balanced with innovative programs like early literacy, a local community-based accountability system, and creative instructional methods from classroom carpet circles to rocketry projects.Join us as Dr. Bashara shares her experiences and insights into how the district integrates character education, cultural diversity, and community values into a robust educational framework. From supporting teachers with autonomy in their classrooms to engaging students in profound learning experiences, she highlights the importance of listening tours and stay interviews in fostering an inclusive and supportive environment. Learn about her passionate leadership journey, the influence of mentors, and her relentless pursuit of excellence in shaping a future where education is truly more than a test.Key Moments04:53 Alma Heights Staff Student Benefit06:23 Unexpected Passion for Elm Heights Education11:21 Community-Driven Educational Decisions12:53 "Small Community, Big Initiatives"17:52 Classroom Transformation: Engaging Learning Environments19:34 Innovative Entrepreneurial and Bilingual Education25:43 Balancing Leadership and Motherhood28:01 Gender Differences in Job Applications32:06 "Championing the Teaching Profession"35:55 Empowered Teachers, Diverse Classrooms39:35 Legacy of Passionate Hiring41:18 Future Reflections on District Impact43:41 Alamo Heights: Strong Teacher Retention47:09 "Heartfelt Leadership Conversation"Connect with Dr. Dana BasharaWebsite: https://www.ahisd.net/

March 27, 2025Episode 7852 min

Redefining Education: Doctor Micah Studer's Vision for Charter Schools

Welcome to another episode of "More Than a Test." In this episode, we're excited to have Dr. Micah Studer, executive director of Visions in Education Charter School, share insights into how the school is transforming the educational landscape in California. Visions, an online and homeschool program, serves a wide and diverse student body, focusing on personalized learning and community engagement. Dr. Studer discusses the school's innovative strategies that prioritize strong relationships between teachers, students, and families, creating a supportive and inclusive environment. With stories of student resilience and tailored educational approaches, Dr. Studer illustrates how Visions is preparing students for success in a rapidly evolving world. Join us to learn more about this unique educational model and its impact on student achievement.Key Moments04:41 Visions' Pathway to Graduation Success09:58 "Community and Success in Entrepreneurship"12:52 Homeschool Community's Diverse Growth13:55 "Parental Engagement in Homeschooling"18:50 Teacher Satisfaction Boost from Changes22:15 LCAP Leadership and Career Growth24:36 Education's Role as the Great Equalizer29:38 Ensuring Student Engagement and Support33:08 "Connectivity's Crucial Last Mile"35:00 "Launchpad: Streamlined School Tech Access"38:14 "Academic Progress in Challenging Areas"42:38 Leveraging Data for Innovation45:23 LitRPG Book Unites Siblings48:27 The Importance of Small Talk50:03 "Importance of Communication in Relationships"Connect with Dr. Micah StuderLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/micahstuder/Website: https://www.viedu.org/

March 20, 2025Episode 7751 min

Exploring Galveston ISD's Unique Initiatives with Superintendent Matthew Neighbors

In this episode of "More Than a Test," host Jennie Tookoian sits down with Dr. Matthew Neighbors, the superintendent of Galveston Independent School District (GISD). With nearly two decades of experience in the district, Dr. Neighbors shares his personal journey, discussing the unique qualities of the Galveston community and the exciting educational initiatives under his leadership. The conversation delves into how GISD is embracing AI-powered learning tools, expanding academic opportunities, and addressing teacher retention challenges. Dr. Neighbors highlights the district's commitment to empowering students and fostering a culture of trust and resilience among educators. Tune in to discover how GISD is navigating the evolving landscape of public education in Texas and the innovative programs that make it stand out.Key Moments04:28 Free College and Job Opportunities08:18 Galveston's Resilient Historical Legacy12:29 "Building Trust with Principals"15:50 Midyear Student Feedback Survey Initiative16:39 Valuing Community and Maximizing Resources19:42 Galveston Teacher Incentive Program23:50 Inspiring Journey of a GISD Teacher28:19 AI Integration in Education Testing29:22 Effective Feedback Boosts Student Growth34:08 Integrated Student Support Database Pilot37:15 Survey Customization Feedback39:19 "Advancing Student Reading Levels"44:00 From Below Average to Top Graduate46:50 Eager for Solar Window Film50:09 Island's Recovery and Welcoming spiritConnect with Dr. Matthew NeighborsLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-neighbors-edd-39014b31/Website: https://www.gisd.org/

March 13, 2025Episode 7551 min

The Evolution and Impact of Career Tech Education at Springfield Clark CTC

In this episode of More Than a Test, host Jennie Tookoian welcomes Michelle Patrick, the superintendent of Springfield Clark Career Technology Center in Ohio, to discuss the transformative impact of Career and Technology Education (CTE) on students and communities. As February is Career Technical Education Month, Michelle shares the unique offerings and successes of her institution, which serves the students of Clark County by providing real-world skills and pathways to high-demand careers. From the wide range of programs available—from health sciences to engineering and agriculture—Michelle delves into the critical role of community partnerships, the evolving landscape of CTE, and how these programs equip students to emerge as career, college, and life ready. Whether discussing the challenges of addressing mental health in education or the rewarding experiences of seeing students thrive, this episode offers an inspiring glimpse into the future of vocational education. Join us to learn how Springfield Clark CTC is breaking stereotypes and creating life-changing opportunities for its students.Key Moments05:22 Education & Cosmetology Training Program07:33 New Facility and Oversubscription Challenges09:58 School Campus Models and Transportation15:33 Career Technical Education Vision16:54 Full Circle: From Learner to Educator21:40 Vocational School Stereotype Struggle24:40 Ohio Career Tech Teacher Pathway28:10 Integrated Curriculum for Practical Learning29:35 Innovative Education and Whole-Child Focus34:50 Block Schedule Boosts Academic Focus37:27 Career Technical Education Rewards39:10 Youth Anxiety: A Growing Concern44:17 Transformative Teaching Beyond Testing46:33 "Find Your Literary Connection"49:00 Anxious Generation InsightsConnect with Michelle PatrickWebsite: https://www.scctc.org/

March 6, 2025Episode 7448 min

Leading a Rural School District: Challenges and Opportunities with Devvon Dettra

In this episode of More Than a Test, host Jennie Tookoian converses with Devvon Dettra, the dynamic superintendent of Rolling Hills Local School District in Ohio. Devvon, a Meadowbrook High School alumnus, offers a unique perspective in tackling the distinct challenges and opportunities within small rural school districts. The discussion highlights how Rolling Hills is revolutionizing education through innovative measures such as consolidating into a single, cutting-edge building, promoting teacher collaboration, and expanding resources and technology accessibility.Tune in as Devvon shares the district's strategic approach to combating poverty, increasing student opportunities through career-tech education, and fostering stronger community engagement. He also reflects on his personal leadership journey, shaped profoundly by his father, a former superintendent. As Devvon outlines his vision for the future—including further efficiency improvements, bolstering early education, and embracing new initiatives—this conversation serves as a treasure trove of insights for educators, administrators, and those passionate about transforming educational landscapes. Join us for an inspiring look at the evolution of education in Rolling Hills with Devvon Dettra guiding the way.Key Moments05:27 Unified Elementary Schools Collaboration09:05 Rural Struggles and Resourcefulness10:10 Mindshift Needed for Cultural Understanding13:13 "People-Driven Curriculum Development"17:41 Creative Hiring for Chemistry Teacher20:03 Expanding Certifications in Education24:14 Analyzing Rural District Challenges25:52 Community Growth Through Youth Sports30:09 Community Loss, Leadership Shift33:02 Cultivating Leadership Through Experiential Learning36:57 Influence Shift in Student Role Models39:31 Proud of Administrative and Teaching Staff43:54 "From Encyclopedias to AI"46:08 "Social Skills Define Success"Connect with Devvon DettraLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/devvon-dettra-7b28b7175Website: https://rollinghills.k12.oh.us/

January 16, 2025Episode 7337 min

Leading with Technology: Enhancing Education Through Innovation and Operations with Ryan Altemeyer

In More Than a Test podcast, host Jennie Tookoian sits down with Ryan Altemeyer, Associate Superintendent of the Monterey Peninsula Unified School District, to explore the intersection of technology, operations, and education. With over 12 years of experience in the technology industry and extensive leadership in educational operations, Altemeyer shares how his district is leveraging technology to enhance student learning and operational efficiency.The conversation delves into the unique challenges and opportunities of serving a diverse student population across Monterey, Marina, and Seaside, California. Altemeyer highlights the district's proactive approach to integrating technology, including early adoption of tools like Gmail and current exploration of AI to improve transparency in budgeting and enhance classroom experiences. Tune in to learn how Monterey Peninsula Unified School District is navigating change and building a supportive learning environment for all students.Key Moments01:33 – Overview of Monterey Peninsula Unified School District03:51 – Priorities for Students and the Community05:08 – Ryan’s Journey into Education Leadership08:46 – Adoption and Impact of AI in Education11:27 – Developing Policies for Student Use of AI13:01 – Transition into Leadership and Influences18:11 – Unifying Departments Around Student-Centered Goals22:00 – Funding Priorities and Early Literacy Focus27:11 – Declining Enrollment and Cost of Living Challenges30:23 – Teacher Recruitment and Retention Efforts31:06 – Balancing Technology Innovation and SecurityConnect with Ryan AltemeyerLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/altemeyer/Website: https://www.mpusd.net/

January 9, 2025Episode 7252 min

Improving Education with Dr. Svetlana Cvetkovic: From Data to Literacy

Dr. Svetlana Cvetkovic is a passionate educator, researcher, and founder of Encoding Literacy. Dr. Cvetkovic shares her journey from a childhood love of Nancy Drew's books to becoming a literacy specialist committed to addressing the urgent issue of adult illiteracy in America.We'll delve into the importance of effectively using test results to improve education, the role of AI in customizing learning materials, and why personalized, evidence-based teaching methods are critical for overcoming reading difficulties. Dr. Cvetkovic will also discuss her innovative speech-first literacy approach and the potential of fMRI technology to advance our understanding of the reading brain.Join us as we reflect on the importance of early intervention, the challenges faced by struggling readers, and Dr. Cvetkovic's mission to create a joyful and efficient learning environment. We'll also touch on the surprising delays in integrating educational research into practice and the exciting future of the "science of learning." Stay tuned for an inspiring and insightful conversation highlighting effective literacy education's power.Key Moments20:29 Depends on the individual's journey and trauma experienced.24:04 Prioritize prevention in teaching reading and spelling.28:14 Spelling indicates reading issues and needs attention.32:20 Need vetted resources, a common understanding among educators.35:40 Teachers juggle multiple roles and responsibilities daily.48:00 Maya Angelou's advice: Change or adjust attitude.50:55 Elderly advocate struggles to improve literacy outcomeConnect with Dr. Svetlana CvetkovicLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/svetlana-cvetkovic-phd-1a161b301/Website: https://www.encodingliteracy.com/svetlana-cvetkovic

December 19, 2024Episode 711 hr 6 min

Equity and Excellence in Education: Dr. Bonita Jamison’s Approach at MRH Schools

In this episode, we explore MRH’s comprehensive strategic plan, "Honoring our history and shaping our future." We’ll touch on critical issues such as staff retention, made more challenging by the pandemic, and the importance of genuine community engagement that goes beyond simple board meetings. Dr. Jamison will share her reflections on influential books like "Jim Crow's Pink Slip" and "The Anxious Generation," which have shaped her approach to leadership.Dr. Jamison will also introduce us to MRH’s distinctive "looping" system, aimed at cultivating sustained relationships between students and educators, and the district's move towards competency-based education that values real-world skills over mere test scores. Her leadership involves being a "lead learner," participating in district-wide professional development, reflecting her commitment to lifelong learning.We'll also discuss the financial challenges facing the district, particularly the impact of declining COVID relief funds, and Dr. Jamison's dedication to providing multiple pathways to success for students, ranging from traditional academic routes to career readiness programs and internships.Key Moments10:38 Experiences and relationships foster belonging and impact.12:58 Board prioritizes equity in education decisions.18:27 Engaging community, showcasing SEL work, board roundtables.23:22 Local funding crucial; sustaining programs amid challenges.31:32 Grant to enhance district's competency-based education.36:57 Mentor vital in career, combating imposter syndrome.39:02 Emphasize pathways, market assets in education change.45:05 Reimagining education by prioritizing student-driven learning.48:44 Opportunity to foster belonging and address turnover.56:51 Cellphone connects me with distant family.01:03:29 Explore diverse paths to success, disrupt paradigms.01:05:39 Honored to speak about dedicated teachers' work.Connect with Dr.Bonita JamisonLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bonita-e-jamison-ed-d-she-her-hers-3971b179/Website:https://www.mrhschools.net/Page/1

December 12, 2024Episode 447 min

Jerry Boyd on Mentorship, AI, and Addressing Social-Emotional Needs in Education

Education is not just about testing; it’s about preparing students for life, with strong relationships and personalized learning.Jerry Boyd, Superintendent of Washington County Schools in Tennessee, discusses his innovative approach to education with host Jennie Tookoian. He emphasizes the importance of fostering sustainable mentor-student relationships and integrating AI into classrooms to enhance personalized learning. Jerry also outlines the district’s efforts to address post-pandemic challenges, particularly social-emotional needs, and introduces the newly implemented K-8 STEM curriculum. Jerry also reflects on his leadership journey, underscoring the value of teamwork and a philosophy of education that goes beyond standardized testing.Key Moments05:46 Skills, STEM, career prep.08:06 Developing leaders.17:33 Mental wellness focus.22:30 Support for success.27:30 AI supports teachers.33:13 Student voices matter.Connect with Jerry BoydLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerrysboyd Website: https://www.washingtoncountytn.org/

December 5, 2024Episode 7052 min

Sue Lemon’s Leadership: Overcoming Post-Pandemic Challenges in Education

Education is more than just a test; it’s about nurturing the whole child and shaping the future.Sue Lemon, superintendent of Rosedale Union School District in Bakersfield, California. They discuss the challenges of supporting students' social-emotional needs, navigating political pressures, and addressing the ongoing effects of COVID-19.Sue shares the district's innovative approaches, including the Orton-Gillingham phonics method, Universal Design for Learning, and a focus on restorative practices. She also highlights efforts to close learning gaps, implement full-day kindergarten, and explore AI's role in education. Sue reflects on her personal journey and a symbolic story of a hummingbird representing her father's belief in her.Key Moments05:24 Parent education partnership08:15 Leadership growth14:28 Behavior expectations34:13 Preparing thinkers45:51 Excited for AI in educationConnect with Sue LemonTwitter : https://x.com/slemonlemonWebsite: https://ca01902710.schoolwires.net