When You Force The Outcome over Trusting God's Timing | The FORGE I - Week 1 | S7 E9
Bo and Cartwright unpack Abram and Sarai’s attempt to force the promise in Genesis 16, then contrast it with God’s reaffirmed covenant in Genesis 17. The conversation centers on waiting, control, and what happens when human workarounds create contempt instead of peace. It also highlights how God responds with grace, renaming, and blessing even after failure. Key topics - Abraham and Control: Genesis 16 to 17 In this episode, Bo and Cartwright revisit the Abram and Sarai story in Genesis 16, where Sarai gives Hagar to Abram in an attempt to produce an heir after 10 years of waiting. They emphasize the difference between waiting on God and trying to “make it happen,” noting that workarounds often produce frustration, anxiety, jealousy, and contempt. Cartwright connects the story to a broader biblical pattern of passivity, comparing Abram’s response to Adam’s passivity in Genesis 3. Bo adds a practical modern example from software development, describing how quick fixes can temporarily solve a problem but create bigger failures later. The episode then moves into Genesis 17, where God reaffirms the covenant with Abram at age 99 and renames him Abraham before the promise is fulfilled. They note that God does not shame Abraham for the earlier failure, but renews the promise and places permanence on the covenant. Bo and Cartwright also discuss Sarah’s renaming and the significance of God speaking identity over people in the gap between promise and fulfillment. They explore Ishmael’s place in the story, stressing that God still blesses him and that being born outside the ideal plan does not mean being abandoned or disqualified. The conversation closes with a reflection on the invitation to trust God’s timing and to resist measuring life only by visible results. Timestamps (00:00) Back in Genesis and the value of changing scenery (01:03) Why stepping outside can bring clarity and peace (03:36) Abram and Sarai try to control the promise (06:09) The fruit of a workaround is often contempt, not peace (08:59) Why this was culturally justified, yet still spiritually misaligned (10:39) A software analogy for temporary fixes that break later (13:11) Abram’s passivity and the pattern from Genesis 3 (17:05) Men, leadership, and the difference between force and conviction (19:08) God reaffirms the covenant and renames Abram (21:03) Even the wrong path can still contain a kind of faith (26:07) Paul, Ishmael, Isaac, and grace versus striving (28:40) Sarah renamed and the promise spoken before fulfillment (30:30) God’s faithfulness carries the covenant, not Abram’s strength (31:53) The waiting process reveals trust or replacement (34:11) Ishmael is not a mistake and is still blessed by God (36:26) Grace after failure and the call to lead well (37:15) Trusting God’s timing over our own urgency (39:14) God can act suddenly, even if He waits long “The workaround manufactures contempt, not peace.” “The covenant rests on God’s faithfulness, not the strength of Abram’s faith.” “God takes a long time to act suddenly.” Donate today to Cartwright Morris ministry: https://thecenterbham.org/donate Transform your health routine with Bravenly Hydrate and enjoy the benefits of peak hydration! Hydrate with Bravenly Support the show MEN ARE FORGED develops young professional men to pursue God's calling — so they can grow, lead, and maximize influence in the world around them. Send in a question to be answered on the pod! For more on what we do, go to menareforged.com .







