Messy Business - with Libby Langley

Hosted by Libby Langley | Business & Marketing Strategist

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Messy Business is a podcast about business and work, and all the things we’ve been taught to believe about both. It’s here to help you think better, not just know more. Every week, I (your host, Libby Langley) take an idea about business or working life that has become lore, and look at it without any rose-tinted glasses. From productivity, success, and ambition to marketing, leadership, money, confidence, expertise, growth, and the latest internet business fad, nothing is safe from my questioning! Where did these ideas come from? Why did they become so appealing? What might actually be useful about them? And what are the realities that get left out? The point isn’t to tell you what to think. It’s to give you something worth thinking about, so you can form your own opinions and make better decisions about your work, business, and life. New episode every Thursday. 📙 Read my book, Life in Business - https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me - https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails - https://libbylangley.com/email Find me on LinkedIn or Instagram (@libbylangley)

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October 22, 2026Episode 21326 min

213: Are We Measuring the Wrong Things in Business? | #213

We can measure almost anything in business these days. Email unsubscribes, social media followers, podcast downloads, revenue, meetings, productivity, and endless other numbers. But just because something is measurable, does that mean it's meaningful? In this episode of Messy Business, I'm questioning whether we've become so obsessed with tracking business performance that we've forgotten to ask what actually matters. I talk about the difference between visibility and genuine impact, why impressive turnover figures and big audiences don't necessarily indicate success, and how the wrong targets can encourage us to make the wrong decisions. I'm also exploring some of the less obvious things worth measuring, including customer loyalty, profitability, financial resilience, relationships, reputation, and the lasting difference our work makes. I'm certainly not suggesting we abandon targets, KPIs, or spreadsheets. I love a spreadsheet! But I do think we need to be much more thoughtful about what we're measuring, why we're measuring it, and what those numbers are actually helping us achieve. Because the most impressive numbers aren't necessarily the ones that tell us whether we're running a good business. 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

October 15, 2026Episode 21227 min

212: Are You Too Old? | #212

Experience is valuable. Expertise takes time. Good judgement often comes from having seen things succeed, fail, change, disappear, and come back around again. So why does getting older sometimes make us seem less valuable in the workplace? In this episode of Messy Business, I'm asking when we're actually the right age to be taken seriously, and why the world of work seems determined to value experience while simultaneously worshipping youth. I explore ageism in employment, the mythology of the young entrepreneur, changing careers later in life, and the assumptions we make about people's ability, ambition, relevance, and willingness to learn. I also look at why ageing can be particularly complicated for women, with all the contradictory expectations around appearance, authority, experience, and staying relevant. Having recently turned 52, I've been thinking about what my own experience has given me. Fifteen years of running a business, working with thousands of people, making difficult decisions, getting things wrong, and learning what actually matters have given me judgement I simply couldn't have possessed when I was younger. But being older doesn't automatically make somebody wiser, just as being younger doesn't automatically make somebody innovative. Perhaps we need to stop treating age as shorthand for qualities it doesn't reliably tell us anything about. Because surely what matters is what somebody knows, what they've learned, what they question, and what they can actually contribute? 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

October 8, 2026Episode 21126 min

211: Is Kindness Bad for Business? | #211

Business is supposed to be efficient, productive, consistent, and commercially rigorous. But does it also have to be hard-nosed? We still have workplace rules and management practices inherited from a very different world of work, often designed around control, consistency, and the possibility that somebody might take advantage. And somehow, treating people with kindness can still be dismissed as soft, indulgent, or commercially naive. In this episode of Messy Business , I question whether that really makes good business sense. I look at everything from rigid working practices and Christmas shutdowns to compassionate leave, caring responsibilities, birthdays off, flexitime, and the tiny acts of generosity that can mean far more to an employee than they cost a business. Because kindness doesn't mean having no boundaries, tolerating poor performance, or saying yes to everything. Businesses still need to function, customers need to be served, and people need to know what's expected of them. But goodwill, trust, retention, discretionary effort, and reputation all have commercial value too. Being humane and being commercially rigorous aren't opposites. So what would happen if we looked at our policies and working practices differently? What is this rule actually trying to achieve? Who benefits from it? Are we managing good people around the hypothetical behaviour of bad ones? And could we achieve the same commercial outcome with more trust, flexibility, or generosity? Perhaps kindness isn't the opposite of good business. Perhaps it's evidence that somebody has thought properly about the people the business depends on. Pasted markdown 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

October 1, 2026Episode 21026 min

210: What the Point of Being in Business? | #210

A successful business is supposed to go somewhere. Start. Grow. Employ people. Increase turnover. Expand. Scale. And perhaps eventually sell. But why does a business automatically have to become something bigger than the thing it already is? In this episode of Messy Business , I’m asking a more fundamental question: what’s the point of being in business in the first place? I look at the different jobs we expect businesses to do, from generating profit and serving customers to creating jobs, providing freedom, doing something useful, changing the world, and giving their owners a decent life. Growth absolutely has its place. It can create security, resilience, opportunity, investment, and impact. But we rarely spend as much time defining what enough looks like. I talk about my own experience of building a bigger, more complicated business and eventually discovering that I didn't particularly like the business I'd created. These days, my business is much simpler: I do useful work I'm good at, get paid for it, and have a life outside it. And I've stopped seeing that as a lack of ambition. Pasted markdown Because before deciding how much your business should grow, how productive you should be, how you should market it, or where you want it to be in five years, perhaps there's a question more worth answering: what do you actually want your business to make possible for you? 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

September 24, 2026Episode 20926 min

209: Can You Really Plan the Future of Your Business? | #209

Where do you see your business in five years? God only knows. We're taught that serious businesses have plans: annual plans, five-year plans, growth targets, forecasts, objectives, KPIs, exit strategies. And plenty of that planning is genuinely useful. But there's an awkward problem. We don't know what's going to happen. In this episode of Messy Business , I look at how we plan intelligently for a future we can't possibly predict, and why having a clear strategy isn't necessarily the same thing as having an immaculate plan. I explore the comfort that planning gives us when business feels uncertain, why a plan might be better treated as a hypothesis than a prediction, and the difference between changing direction because you've learned something and simply chasing the next shiny thing. I also look at something I've increasingly come to value after 15 years in business: judgement. Some of the most important developments in my own business haven't come from executing a plan. They've come from noticing something: an opportunity, a change, work I particularly enjoyed, something that stopped working, or something I simply didn't want anymore. Because perhaps the point of strategy isn't correctly predicting where your business will be in five years. Perhaps it's knowing enough about what matters that, when something you couldn't possibly have predicted happens, you can make a bloody good decision about what to do next. 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

September 17, 2026Episode 20826 min

208: Are More Income Streams Better for Your Business? | #208

Never rely on one source of income. Build multiple income streams. Seven is apparently ideal, preferably with several making money while you sleep. It sounds sensible. Diversification is a legitimate way of reducing risk, after all. But somewhere along the way, the internet business world seems to have translated diversifying risk into multiplying things to sell. In this episode of Messy Business , I look at whether having more income streams genuinely makes us financially safer, or simply gives us more things to market, administer, maintain, and think about. Because seven products sold to the same audience through the same platform aren't necessarily seven independent income streams. And a business with lots of revenue sources, high overheads, and enormous complexity may be considerably less resilient than one with a couple of boring contracts, low costs, decent savings, and a strong professional reputation. I also explore the idea that our working lives don't necessarily need to fit into one beautifully designed business model. Consultancy, teaching, projects, writing, investments, reselling, part-time work, or any other combination can coexist perfectly happily if together they create an economically viable life. Perhaps the more useful question isn't how can I create another income stream? It's what financial risk am I actually trying to reduce? 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

September 10, 2026Episode 20726 min

207: Does Your Business Need to be the Love of Your Life? | #207

“Do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life.” Lovely idea. Also an absolutely enormous amount of responsibility to give a job. Work is now expected to provide money, meaning, identity, purpose, fulfilment, creativity, friendship, status, growth, excitement, and happiness. And entrepreneurship can take that even further because if you created the business yourself, surely you should love every bloody minute of it? In this episode of Messy Business , I question when simply being good at useful work, enjoying it, being paid properly, and having a life outside it became such an apparently unambitious proposition. I explore how work and identity have become increasingly tangled, particularly when the business owner is also the brand, the marketer, the face, and the product. I talk about my own periods of being so emotionally invested in my business that changing or ending something felt less like a commercial decision and more like losing part of myself. There’s a commercial problem here too. Loving your business can make good judgement harder. You can cling to an unprofitable offer, undercharge because you’d “do it for free”, work ridiculous hours because it’s supposedly your passion, or turn every enjoyable hobby into another potential revenue stream. And perhaps we’ve become so obsessed with passion that we’ve underrated something quieter and more sustainable: competence . There’s enormous satisfaction in being trusted, knowing your craft, solving difficult problems, doing excellent work, and getting paid for it. It may not involve leaping out of bed every morning aflame with purpose, but perhaps mastery is a healthier long-term relationship with work than expecting permanent passion. So rather than asking whether your business lights you up, there may be a better question: What role do you actually want work to play in your life? Maybe your business doesn’t need to be the love of your life. Maybe it needs to be a good business, doing worthwhile work, that pays you properly and leaves enough of you left to have a life you love. 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

September 3, 2026Episode 20627 min

206: The Messy Truth About Marketing Your Business | #206

Businesses need marketing. If nobody knows you exist, remembers what you do, or understands why they might choose you, you're going to have a fairly fundamental commercial problem. But how much of being in business should reasonably be spent demonstrating that you're in business? In this episode, I look at how marketing has changed from a function of business into something that can feel remarkably like a second business in its own right. Social media democratised publishing and gave businesses extraordinary access to audiences they could never previously have reached. But it also helped create a culture in which business owners are expected to become copywriters, photographers, videographers, presenters, email marketers, community managers, and personal brands, continually producing evidence that they're worth hiring. I explore the difference between marketing your work and performing your business, why marketing can become a way of managing commercial uncertainty, and what happens when creator logic gets applied to businesses that don't actually need enormous audiences. Because a consultant who needs three good clients has a very different marketing problem from a creator whose income depends on millions of views. I also look at what changes as a business matures. Years of good work, relationships, referrals, recommendations, intellectual property, and accumulated experience create something another social media post can't manufacture overnight: reputation. Perhaps mature marketing becomes less about manufacturing attention and more about accumulating and maintaining that reputation. So instead of asking how you can become more visible, there's a more commercially useful question: What is marketing actually for in your business right now? The goal isn't necessarily to become so visible that everybody knows who you are. It's to build enough reputation that the right people know why they should call you. 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

August 27, 2026Episode 20527 min

205: The Messy Truth About "Box Ticking" in Your Business | #205

Businesses need processes. Decisions become systems, systems create consistency, and consistency means we don't have to reconsider every routine action every time we do it. But there's a problem hidden inside that efficiency: at some point, we stop making the decision. The podcast goes out every Thursday. The meeting happens every Tuesday. The report gets produced every month. The social post gets published because it's on the content calendar. Nobody necessarily asks why anymore. In episode 205 of Messy Business , I explore the surprisingly blurry line between strategic consistency and mindless repetition, including the uncomfortable possibility that this very podcast could become another box I faithfully tick because I've been ticking it for more than 200 episodes. I look at why routines and processes are genuinely valuable, why completion feels so satisfying, and how easily measurable activity becomes a substitute for much harder questions about usefulness and outcomes. Because two businesses can perform exactly the same activity with completely different reasoning behind it. One has consciously decided that it still serves a purpose. The other is effectively outsourcing the decision to a previous version of itself. And that's where a useful question comes in: If I wasn't already doing this, would I choose to start doing it today? Sometimes the answer will still be yes. Sometimes you really do just need to tick the box. But occasionally, looking inside the box reveals something that hasn't needed to be on the list for years. 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email

August 20, 2026Episode 20427 min

204: The Messy Truth About Finding Your Niche | #204

Niching is sound marketing thinking. Knowing who you want to help, what you're particularly good at, and where you create the most value makes marketing, referrals, positioning, and decision-making considerably easier. But somewhere along the way, segmentation became a commandment: pick your niche before you do anything else. In this episode of Messy Business , I question whether that's actually how expertise develops. Doctors and lawyers don't begin their careers as specialists. They develop broad experience first and specialise as they discover where their skills, interests, and strengths lie. Perhaps business owners aren't so different. I explore why your niche may be something you notice rather than choose, how forcing one too early can create false certainty, and why the work and people that energise you can tell you considerably more than another ideal-client exercise. I also talk about my own 15-year journey through social media training, agency ownership, coaching, consulting, speaking, teaching, and assorted attempts to find the correct label for myself, before eventually realising that a large part of my specialism is simply the particular way I think, see problems, and help people solve them. Perhaps the useful question isn't what's my niche? Perhaps it's: when do I do my best work, with whom, and why? 📙 Read my book, Life in Business https://libbylangley.com/book 🔧 Work with me https://libbylangley.com 📩 Get my emails https://libbylangley.com/email