
Hacking Great Minds with LeeroyDotUK: Joe Milnes (Revitk)
You hire your first salesperson. Three months later it hasn't worked, you're 20 to 30 grand down, and you're back doing sales yourself. Joe Milnes says the hire was never the problem. Your business had no recipes. In this episode of Hacking Great Minds With LeeroyDotUK, Joe breaks down why founder-led businesses hire too early, what a sales process actually is, and the four-part framework he uses to systemise selling in any industry. Joe fell into sales while chasing a career as a rock star, built a graduate academy that could take people with no experience and ramp them fast, and now runs Revitk, helping founders and founder-managed teams close more deals in less time without the founder being on every call. WHAT WE COVER • Falling into sales, and why almost nobody plans a career in it • Building a training programme that ramps reps with zero experience • Why most SMB founders are still the best closer in their own business • The restaurant analogy: why your first sales hire fails • What a sales process actually is, and why it's the recipes • Selling by accident vs selling on purpose • Why hiring a salesperson too early costs 20 to 30 grand • Why sales gets treated differently to every other hire • Founders aren't full-time managers, and what that means for your systems • The stigma around sales, and confusing salesy with persuasive • Sales as the transference of conviction • Why technical founders often outperform trained salespeople • Symptom-aware vs problem-aware founders • Leads going into a sales team like water into a bucket with holes • The four-part framework: Hook, Wedge, Match, Net • Why discovery raises perceived value before you pitch anything ABOUT JOE MILNES Joe Milnes is the founder of Revitk, a Sheffield-based business he started in 2024 to help founders and founder-managed sales teams design, document and systemise their sales process. He came up through B2B sales into sales enablement at a tech firm, where he built a graduate academy that took inexperienced reps and ramped them quickly. He now works with founders who are the primary closer in their business, as well as larger organisations with established sales teams, combining sales psychology with automation to reduce the founder's dependence on being on every call. Find Joe: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joemilnestdsc/ ABOUT LEEROY Leeroy Powell is a serial founder based in Sheffield, running a portfolio of AI, search and publishing businesses. He runs MarGen, an AI visibility agency helping brands get found and cited inside AI search, and The CAIO, a fractional Chief AI Officer practice. Hacking Great Minds is where he digs into the minds of leaders pushing the needle in business, economics and the psychology that drives it all. CONNECT WITH LEEROY LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leeroydotuk X: https://www.x.com/leeroydotuk AI Visibility Strategies: https://www.margen.net Listen on Spotify: [SPOTIFY LINK] Subscribe for new episodes of Hacking Great Minds With LeeroyDotUK. CHAPTERS 00:00 Intro 00:00 Falling into sales on the way to being a rock star 00:00 Building a graduate academy that actually ramped reps 00:00 Why Revitk exists 00:00 The founder as the best closer in the business 00:00 The restaurant analogy 00:00 What a sales process actually is 00:00 Why founders hire too early 00:00 Why sales is treated differently to every other hire 00:00 The stigma around selling 00:00 Sales as the transference of conviction 00:00 Why technical founders do well 00:00 Symptoms vs root cause 00:00 Hook, Wedge, Match, Net 00:00 Why discovery comes before the pitch #Sales #SalesProcess #B2BSales #FounderLedSales #SalesEnablement #Sheffield #HackingGreatMinds sales process for founders, first sales hire, founder led sales, B2B sales process, sales playbook, sales enablement, scaling a sales team, discovery questions, Joe Milnes, Revitk, Sheffield business, founder podcast UK













