
103 | After Show: Deeper Dive into Infant Assessment
We just finished an hour with Cathy Watson Genna, and our brains are still buzzing. That's how it always goes with Cathy — she has this gift for showing you how everything connects. The web of infant assessment can feel impossibly tangled from the inside, but she helps you see the threads, trace them, and understand why each one pulls on the others. One of the things Cathy does so well is remind you how much you've actually learned — and how much there still is to learn. Both of us are coming up on recertification this year (yes, already — we found an old episode in our archive of us talking about our first recertification and the time warp is real), and we're both still chasing CERPs and CEUs with zero signs of stopping.This aftershow is us, Annie and Leah, processing what sparked for us and what we're taking back into the treatment room."It's hard to figure out what's going wrong if you don't know what's going right." In this episode we talk about:Learning through touch (3:21)Finding healthy baselines (7:40)The importance of staying flexible in assessments (13:16)Tools for oral function (15:15)Each month we host a live Deeper Dive so you can connect with us, our special guests, and each other + get lifetime access to the recording!Our next Deeper Dive is on working with Type A clients — and yes, if you practice in an urban or professional community, this is basically your entire caseload. We cannot wait. Links and ResourcesSubscribe to the Deeper Dive Membership: https://learn.paperlesslactation.com/subscription/deeper-dive-membershipHave an idea for a podcast episode or a Deeper Dive? Let us know! https://learn.paperlesslactation.com/form/collaborateCatherine Watson Genna's book: Supporting Sucking Skills in Breastfeeding Infants, 3rd ed. — the foundational text for much of what Cathy teaches"Inside the Interstitium, the Human Body's Hidden Pathways" — New York Times, May 11, 2026 (gift article — no paywall)Langevin & Yandow (2002): Acupuncture points and the connective tissue network — original fascia-meridian mapping studyInfant Assessment Tools Annie UsesAOMT (Academy of Orofacial Myofunctional Therapy) — Martinelli Oral Assessment ToolSrinivasan, Dobrich, Mitnick & Feldman (2006): Frenotomy Decision Rule — Breastfeeding MedicineTABBY (Tongue-tie And Breastfed BabY): Ingram et al., International Breastfeeding Journal, 2019Craniosacral Therapy TrainingBeames CST Foundations Course — Meaghan Beames, RMT (virtual, 4 weeks, eligible for CERPs)IBCLC RecertificationIBLCE recertification and CERPs informationIf you like what you heard today, please follow us on Facebook and Instagram.About UsLeah Jolly is a private practice IBCLC with Bay Area Breastfeeding in Houston, Texas.Annie Frisbie is a private practice IBCLC serving Queens and Brooklyn in New York City and the creator of the Lactation Consultant Private Practice Toolkit. Thanks to our monthly supporters Gina Pepe Gina Pepe Allison Walsh Allison Walsh Rebecca Leese Rebecca Leese Celia Clark-Randall Celia Clark-Randall Chanelle Andrews Denise McDonald Denise McDonald Mary Muse JOC Team JOC Team Heather Bell Heather Bell Nicole Letizia Nicole Letizia Cathleen Walker Sarah Shapiro, IBCLC Sarah Shapiro, IBCLC Theresa Hardy Heather Martin Heather Martin Susan Johnson Susan Johnson Maggie Rezende Maggie Rezende Elizabeth Stapleton Elizabeth Stapleton Heather Mastro Heather Mastro Melanie Tarr Melanie Tarr Molly McMillion Molly McMillion Morenike Tyehimba Morenike Tyehimba Margot Hodes Margot Hodes Denise McDonald Denise McDonald Audrey Thompson Audrey Thompson Beth Brownstein Beth Brownstein Zee Ifan Zee Ifan ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★












