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Industrial Cybersecurity Insider offers a thorough look into the field of industrial cybersecurity for manufacturing and critical infrastructure. The podcast delves into key topics, including industry trends, policy changes, and groundbreaking innovations. Each episode will feature insights from key influencers, policy makers, and industry leaders. Subscribe and tune in weekly to stay in the know on everything important in the industrial cybersecurity world!

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June 15, 202627 min

Is AI Becoming Your Plant Floor's Biggest Vulnerability?

Craig and Dino dig into the widening gap between IT and OT and why the plant floor keeps getting left behind. They break down what Dragos ' acquisition of Phosphorus signals for the future of IoT security in manufacturing, from cameras and label printers to X-ray inspection systems that ship with default passwords and almost never get patched. The conversation gets sharp on artificial intelligence: the same models helping plants work smarter are now lowering the barrier for attackers, putting Stuxnet-style capabilities into the hands of people who lack the resources and sophistication that nation states once needed. Craig and Dino expose the everyday habits that leave operations vulnerable, including system integrators plugging personal laptops straight into production networks, locked USB ports that solve only half the problem, and remote access so wide open that a single entry point can expose an entire plant. They argue that nobody truly owns OT cyber hygiene, that frameworks like IEC 62443 and the NIST 800 82 series get named in RFPs but rarely enforced, and that leaders keep tripping over dollars to pick up nickels by choosing the cheapest bid over real protection. It's a candid, experience-driven look at why industrial security moves so slowly and what plant leaders, engineers, and security teams can actually do about it.Chapters:(00:00:00) - AI Enters the OT Battlefield(00:01:30) - Why IoT Is Creeping Onto the Plant Floor(00:03:30) - Printers, Cameras, and the Default Passwords Nobody Owns(00:06:00) - Dragos, Phosphorus, and the Managed Services Question(00:08:00) - How AI Lowers the Bar for Attacking Control Systems(00:09:40) - Stuxnet Then vs. AI-Powered Attacks Now(00:12:00) - The Laptop in the Plant: Contractors, USBs, and Open Networks(00:16:00) - Frameworks on Paper vs. Reality (IEC 62443 & NIST 800-82)(00:19:00) - Tripping Over Dollars to Pick Up Nickels(00:24:00) - Short-Tenure CISOs and Why You Shouldn't Go It AloneLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

June 9, 202622 min

Is Your IIoT Strategy Creating More Security Risks?

Craig and Dino address one of the most overlooked problems in OT security: the IIoT devices your security tools don't automatically detect.Most OT intrusion detection platforms do a reasonable job of identifying core control-layer assets such as PLCs, drives, and motor control centers. The problem is everything else. Laptops plugged into the network, third-party devices brought in by contractors, and a growing range of connected IIoT equipment often go completely undetected. Those are the gaps where risk accumulates.Craig and Dino explain why the belief that machines are air-gapped is a dangerous myth, how PLCs acting as gateways prevent intrusion detection platforms from seeing the devices behind them, and why an asset inventory is not the same as knowing your real risk and CVE exposure in multi-vendor environments.They reframe OT cybersecurity as a process-integrity problem and show how unmanaged network activity, third-party remote access, and even routine IT security scans can quietly degrade OEE and trigger unplanned downtime that costs millions.Using predictive-maintenance analogies such as thermal, harmonics, and vibration sensing, they make the case for treating digital anomalies the same way mature plants already treat mechanical ones.They close by examining why so many OT detection tools become shelfware, how to escape alert fatigue, and the two practical paths to real IT/OT convergence: building the right relationships with OEMs, system integrators, and AEC partners, and designing security-ready facilities from the ground up.It's a practical listen for CISOs, plant and engineering leaders, and OT/IT teams responsible for securing manufacturing and critical infrastructure.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Why No Industrial Asset Is Truly Air-Gapped(00:01:08) - IoT vs. IIoT: How OT Assets Get Classified(00:03:15) - The Control-Layer Blind Spot: Drives, Robots, and Motor Controls(00:05:25) - How PLC Gateways Hide Assets From Intrusion Detection(00:07:30) - Asset Inventory Isn't Risk: The CVE Gap in Multi-Vendor Plants(00:08:55) - When Cyber Blind Spots Become Costly Downtime(00:10:05) - Process Integrity: How Security Scans Disrupt Production(00:11:35) - Predictive Maintenance Meets Digital Anomaly Detection(00:17:45) - Avoiding OT Shelfware and Alert Fatigue(00:19:45) - IT/OT Convergence: Choosing a Partner and Building Secure-by-DesignLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

June 3, 202635 min

Five Federal Agencies. One Zero-Trust OT Briefing. Most Haven't Read it.

The joint CISA, FBI, Department of War, Department of Energy, and Department of State briefing on adapting Zero Trust to operational technology landed on April 29. Has OT leadership read it?In this episode, Craig and Dino address how the European Cyber Resilience Act is quietly forcing US plants into failed audits, why IT teams still see less than a third of OT assets, how EDR tools are taking down $100K-an-hour packaging lines, and why only a handful of integrators in North America have a real OT cybersecurity practice. They walk through what zero trust and micro-segmentation actually look like inside a 20-year-old plant with flat layer-two networks, DLR rings, jump boxes, and Cradlepoint workarounds, and lay out the first concrete move every CISO and CIO should make to start closing the IT/OT gap.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Cold Open: How the European CRA Is Failing US Plants(00:01:30) - The April 29 CISA/FBI Zero Trust in OT Briefing Nobody Read(00:05:00) - Compliance Without Teeth: Why US Regulations Aren't Moving the Needle(00:07:30) - When CrowdStrike Shuts Down a $100K-an-Hour Packaging Line(00:10:30) - The Visibility Gap: IT Sees Less Than a Third of OT Assets(00:15:30) - OEM Resistance: The Million-Dollar, Six-Month Cybersecurity Tax(00:18:30) - The Cradlepoint Workaround: How Plant Managers Bypass IT(00:21:30) - Layering Zero Trust onto a 20-Year-Old Plant Without Rip-and-Replace(00:25:30) - Why Only 5–10 of 1,000 Integrators Have a Real OT Cyber Practice(00:31:30) - Where CISOs Should Actually Be Looking (Hint: Not RSA or Black Hat)Links And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

May 27, 202634 min

IT vs OT: The Internal Misalignment Costing Manufacturers Millions

Most manufacturing organizations still operate with a dangerous blind spot: IT and OT teams working in completely different dimensions with no shared visibility into plant floor cybersecurity.In this episode, Dino and Jim break down why 90% of manufacturers remain in the unaware-to-awareness phase when it comes to OT cybersecurity. They address what happens when IT tries to shoehorn enterprise security into operational environments they don't understand, and how the lack of collaboration between these two groups leads to costly unplanned downtime — sometimes at $100,000 per hour or more.Drawing from real client engagements, they reveal why OT must take a leadership role in cybersecurity (just like safety), how OT IDS tools can deliver operational value far beyond threat detection, and what it actually takes to get IT and OT speaking the same language before a breach forces them to.Chapters:(00:00:00) - Why IT and OT Need to Get to the Table Now(00:01:47) - Cats and Dogs Living Together: The IT/OT Culture Clash(00:03:00) - 90% of Manufacturers Are Still in the Dark on OT Cyber(00:06:00) - What Is OT and Why Don't OT People Know They're OT?(00:08:45) - Real Client Story: The Missing OT Team on a Global Kickoff(00:13:00) - Ask Forgiveness, Not Permission: How OT Workarounds Create Risk(00:15:00) - The OT IDS Tool Nobody's Sharing With OT(00:19:30) - Why Manual Discovery Assessments Are Throwing Money Away(00:21:00) - 15 Switch Manufacturers in One Plant: The Architecture Nightmare(00:25:30) - OT Cybersecurity Is the New Safety — Treat It Like One(00:29:00) - Final Advice for IT and OT Teams Ready to ConvergeLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

May 19, 202627 min

OT Security Isn't an IT Problem: What it Takes to Get it Right

Craig sits down with Wil Klusovsky, a 26-year cybersecurity veteran and CRO at viLogics, to break down why asset visibility and exposure management are the foundation of any solid OT security strategy.From the myth of the air-gapped shop floor to the real-world math behind quantifying cyber risk in dollars and cents, Will and Craig explore how manufacturers can move beyond fear-based selling, bridge the gap between IT and operations, and build programmatic cybersecurity that protects both production uptime and the bottom line.They discuss how to frame cyber risk as business risk, why compensating controls and context matter more than raw vulnerability numbers, and why the CISO's real job is "chief inside selling officer."Chapters:(00:00:00) - Welcoming Will to the Podcast!(00:02:12) - Why Asset Visibility Is the Starting Point for OT Security(00:03:48) - The Air Gap Myth and Legacy Systems on the Shop Floor(00:04:52) - Translating Cyber Risk Into Dollars and Cents(00:07:05) - Quantifying Downtime: Mean Time to Recovery and True Cost of Ownership(00:09:55) - Risk Appetite: Spend to Mitigate or Accept the Exposure?(00:11:32) - Who Really Owns the Risk? Executives, Not CISOs(00:13:00) - Uptime, OEE, and Why Cybersecurity Risk Is Business Risk(00:15:45) - Remote Access Risks and Competing Priorities on the Shop Floor(00:18:04) - The "Chief Inside Selling Officer" — Getting Buy-In Before Budget(00:19:48) - The Get Out of Jail Free Card: Aligning Incentives Across Teams(00:22:30) - Context Over CVE Counts: 600 Critical Vulns, Zero Exploitable(00:25:42) - Prioritizing Remediation by Business Impact, Not Severity Score(00:26:30) - Wrap-Up and Part 2 Preview: Business Impact AnalysisLinks And Resources:Wil Klusovsky on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

May 12, 202648 min

OT Cybersecurity: Is the Purdue Model Still Useful?

Is the Purdue Model outdated, or simply misunderstood? In this episode, Dino sits down with Ken Kully (Rockwell Automation) for a candid, practitioner-level conversation about what the Purdue Model still gets right.They discuss where it falls short in modern environments, and why “IT/OT convergence” remains more of a people-and-process challenge than a technology problem. They break down the reality on the plant floor: long-lived legacy systems, inconsistent architectures across sites, limited maintenance windows, and the operational consequences of downtime. The discussion also tackles the everyday friction points: MFA, shared operator accounts, unmanaged vendor laptops, and remote access “surprises”, and why you can’t improve OT security posture without a trustworthy asset inventory and segmentation that keeps systems “in their lane.”Chapters:(00:00:00) Intro + why this Purdue conversation matters now(00:01:00) Ken’s background: from process environments to OT cyber delivery readiness(00:04:00) The big question: has the Purdue Model outlived its usefulness?(00:07:00) Framework vs. strict blueprint: “Purdue enough” in real plants(00:09:00) IT/OT convergence: why it’s a people + process problem (not tech)(00:12:00) The “silver tsunami” and why security UX fails on the plant floor(00:15:30) MFA, shared logins, and why “security gets in the way” still shows up(00:18:00) Legacy reality: Windows 98/7 boxes, vendor lock-in, and downtime economics(00:21:00) Discovery first: diagrams, configs, and why documentation is always missing(00:23:30) Purdue as a map: brokering traffic, one-up/one-down, and the “3.5” DMZ(00:26:00) When devices try to “escape the box”: unexpected outbound comms + exposure risk(00:28:30) Vendor/OEM access: the unmanaged laptop problem in OT(00:32:00) Asset inventory as the unlock: you can’t defend what you don’t know exists(00:34:00) Why IT often won’t “crawl the plant,” and what that means operationally(00:36:30) Scale problem: 30 plants, 30 realities—standardize globally, execute locally(00:38:30) The SI/OEM “third leg”: why trusted integrators are key to sustainable OT security(00:40:30) Closing + crossover: continuing the discussion on Ken’s OT After Hours podcastLinks And Resources:Kenneth Kully on LinkedInWant to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

May 6, 202631 min

Federal Agencies Can Enter Private Networks to Hunt Malware. Is Your Plant Prepared?

Dino and Jim break down a major shift in the cyber threat landscape: federal agencies obtaining legal authority to enter private networks to hunt down state-sponsored malware, and what that signals for industrial organizations. They discuss why critical infrastructure and supply chains are prime targets, how “soft targets” in OT and building automation get exploited, and why many companies still lack visibility into what’s happening on the plant floor. The conversation zooms in on real-world exposure points, especially unmanaged vendor remote access and end-of-life equipment, and closes with practical themes for leadership.Stop assuming “IT has it covered” Define measurable OT security outcomesStart taking steps that make disruption harder and detection faster.Chapters:(00:00:00) Why identity, trust, and vendor access are breaking down in modern plants(00:01:00) The episode’s trigger: government-led operations to remove malware from private networks(00:03:00) “Machete scanning” and why IT-style tactics can disrupt OT operations(00:05:00) The real target set: critical infrastructure, supply chains, and smaller utilities with limited resources(00:08:00) Collateral damage and how cyber “weapons” trickle down to criminal ransomware(00:13:00) Why OT is still a soft target: visibility gaps, unpatched systems, and weak segmentation(00:14:00) Remote access everywhere: OEM/SI pathways, unknown identities, and lack of governance(00:20:00) The logging gap: what IT sees vs. what OT can’t see (and why that matters for incident response)(00:24:00) Building automation and facilities systems as weak links attackers love(00:26:00) Executive accountability: what boards should be measuring after breaches (and why progress stalls)Links And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

April 29, 202626 min

The Phishing Attack That Could Have Shut Down a Plant Floor

A real-world case study shows how a single phishing email led to credential and MFA compromise, creating an urgent question for any industrial organization: Did the attacker reach the OT environment? Dino and Jim walk through how OT visibility, secure remote access controls, and continuous monitoring enabled rapid validation of what happened. They were able to prove the breach did not impact control systems and avoid an expensive, safety-driven shutdown of a continuous manufacturing process. The episode connects technical controls to executive outcomes, including resilience, duty of care, and the financial reality that “not knowing” can be as costly as an actual compromise.Chapters:(00:00:00) Why continuous manufacturing makes “abundance of caution” shutdowns so costly(00:01:00) What “OT continuous monitoring” means and why it matters in real incidents(00:03:00) Safety and connected environments: why “it can go boom” changes the stakes(00:05:00) Baselines: defining “normal” so abnormal behavior is actionable(00:07:00) Incident story: phishing email leads to credential and MFA compromise(00:09:00) What the team validated: tracing access and confirming OT was not impacted(00:10:00) Lessons from Colonial Pipeline: inability to validate can force shutdowns(00:11:00) OT reality check: Windows assets, HMIs, historians, and engineering workstations(00:13:00) Secure OT remote access: why VPN-only access is not sufficient(00:16:00) The payoff: avoided downtime, avoided product loss, and avoided disruption(00:19:00) Executive view: duty of care, liability, compliance, and protecting enterprise value(00:23:00) The “air gap” myth and why defense-in-depth is the only practical pathLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

April 21, 202625 min

Your Most Valuable & Underutilized Cybersecurity Asset

In this episode, Dino and LuRae address why system integrators, OEMs, and ecosystem partners are often a manufacturer’s most underused cybersecurity resource. Dino explains why many IT leaders lack real visibility into the plant floor, what it takes to operationalize OT security beyond “checking the box,” and why asset inventory is the first practical step toward protecting control systems. The conversation also covers the realities of remote access after COVID, the need for governance measures such as change control and auditing, and why manufacturers should build real partner relationships rather than purely transactional vendor engagements.Chapters:(00:00:00) OT security requires time inside the plant, not an “ivory tower” view(00:01:00) Introducing Dino and the topic: partners as a cybersecurity asset(00:02:00) Why OT assets get excluded from cybersecurity strategy(00:03:00) The real opportunity: system integrators and OEMs already in the plant(00:05:00) Getting started: identify who’s working in each facility(00:08:00) Step one: accurate OT asset inventory and visibility(00:10:00) Remote access: detect, audit, and control what partners are doing(00:12:00) “Compliance” vs. operational reality on the plant floor(00:16:00) Resourcing reality: why most teams cannot self-perform OT security(00:20:00) Final advice: budget, ROI of downtime, and act before the incidentLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Want to subscribe to Industrial Cybersecurity Insider? Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!

April 14, 202627 min

OT Patching vs IT Patching: What's Commonly Misunderstood

Most cybersecurity teams treat patching like a universal fix. In manufacturing, that assumption can take down a production line, trigger a safety event, or void the warranty on a $2 million piece of equipment.In this episode, Dino Busalachi and Craig Duckworth break down why patching in operational technology environments is a fundamentally different problem than patching enterprise IT — and why closing that gap requires more than just pushing an update.The bottom line: A firewall is not a patching strategy. Neither is hoping your systems are isolated. Organizations that get this right use risk-based prioritization, lab testing, virtual patching, and real collaboration between IT and OT teams.If you are responsible for a plant floor — or for the people who are — this conversation is for you.🎙️ Industrial Cybersecurity Insider is where C-suite leaders, plant managers, engineers, and security teams come to close the gap between IT and OT.🔔 Subscribe so you never miss an episode.Chapters:(00:00:00) Why assessing OT cybersecurity posture and asset visibility is hard(00:01:00) IT patches constantly, OT rarely does, and why that gap matters(00:03:00) Downtime costs: a broken patch in OT can stop the entire plant(00:05:00) OEM “don’t touch it” policies and warranty pressure(00:08:00) M&A due diligence: buying plants without knowing the cyber condition(00:09:00) CrowdStrike outage example and why agent-based tools are risky in OT(00:10:00) Virtual patching: protecting PLCs and legacy assets you cannot patch(00:14:00) Vendor guidance, upgrade rewrites, and “acceptable risk” decisions(00:17:00) Hidden exposure: guest Wi‑Fi, tablets, remote access, and “air gaps”(00:20:00) Best practices: inventory, continuous monitoring, vulnerability metrics, and cross-team alignmentLinks And Resources:Want to Sponsor an episode or be a Guest? Reach out here.Industrial Cybersecurity Insider on LinkedInCybersecurity & Digital Safety on LinkedInBW Design Group CybersecurityDino Busalachi on LinkedInCraig Duckworth on LinkedInThanks so much for joining us this week. Have some feedback you’d like to share? Connect with us on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and YouTube to leave us a review!