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Ayelet Shipley and Christian Hassold host the Inorganic Podcast. Ayelet and Christian have combined 20 years of experience helping venture and private equity sponsors execute mergers and acquisitions in SaaS and digital agencies in the U.S. and Europe. On this podcast, Ayelet and Christian discuss M&A strategy, sourcing tactics, and other dynamics around mergers and acquisitions. They also report on market activity, emphasizing larger companies buying smaller SaaS or agencies and discussing the rationale behind the deals and economics. We sometimes invite guests to join our discussion, building on our mission to make the art and science of M&A more transparent for buyers, sellers, and financial sponsors. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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June 12, 202621 min

E70: Accenture x Whalar (Agency), plus Walker Sands, Channable, Sitecore Deals Announced

A month forecasted that Accenture was about to make a material acquisition in the creator space. This week it happened. Accenture Song is acquiring Whaler Agency — the most awarded creator agency in the Western hemisphere in a carve-out plus three-year partnership that's far more interesting than the headline.But is it really "the largest creator economy transaction ever"? Christian runs the math. The claim doesn't survive contact with a calculator unless there's a lot more going on than a simple agency purchase.Christian and Ayelet break down the structure, what Accenture actually bought (hint: it's the $600M in media spend and the measurement layer, not just the creators), and why this probably isn't the end of Accenture's media buying spree.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:39 — Welcome to Market and Deals Friday, June 121:20 — The victory lap: our Episode 61 Accenture prediction came true2:06 — Why the deal took longer than expected (deals just take time)2:20 — Why we didn't name Whaler at the time — protecting a people-heavy business3:05 — When and how to tell your team you're selling: a real consideration for owners3:46 — What happened: Whaler Agency joins Accenture Song, terms undisclosed4:28 — The $44B creator economy and why Whaler sits in the middle of it4:50 — The real prize: $600M in media spend + the measurement and data layer5:33 — Reading it against the holdcos: consultants are coming for creator businesses6:16 — The math problem: can this really be "the largest creator economy deal ever"?6:50 — Why a $500M price on ~$12M EBITDA (40x) doesn't add up for the agency alone8:00 — The carve-out + call option + licensing theory that makes the number work8:30 — Is Whaler Agency just step one? Why Christian doesn't think so9:46 — Accenture Song's creator build: 9 acquisitions in 2024 alone10:16 — Why $600M in media spend is the growth-acceleration play vs. single-digit agency growth12:28 — Moelis advised Whaler; Accenture Song's corp dev ran it in-house13:46 — Why this is a planned (not closed) deal — and what shareholder disclosure will reveal14:35 — Quick hit: Walker Sands acquires Rev Partners (Mountain Gate turns on the engine)15:35 — Why Mountain Gate is already doing M&A less than a year into Walker Sands16:00 — Quick hit: Channable acquires Metreon — server-side conversion tracking16:41 — Quick hit: Sitecore acquires Scrunch — AI search optimization beyond traditional SEO18:16 — The connective tissue: four deals, zero disclosed prices, all capability buys18:31 — Why AI won't kill feed management anytime soon (the 20-30% false positive rabbit hole)20:11 — The bet: Accenture's next move is about media, not agencies20:38 — Structure over headline EV — the drum worth beating for every smaller shop21:06 — Wrap and a Knicks championship wish🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A coverage on In/OrganicConnect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

June 5, 202617 min

E69: "Just Ask, Was Good or Bad": Kevin Simonson on His Second Exit, Selling adMixt to Interluxe Group

Kevin Simonson has now sold two agencies. The first — Metric Digital to Wpromote in 2020. The second — adMixt to Interluxe Group, announced this week. And he came on In/Organic Live the same week the deal closed to talk about what's actually different the second time around.Christian and Ayelet sat down with Kevin — outgoing CEO of adMixt, now President of Performance Marketing at Interluxe Group — for an unusually candid conversation about deal structure, integration, and why the headline multiple tells you almost nothing about whether a deal was good.What we cover: Why Kevin took the adMixt CEO seat (a turnaround that wasn't actually broken), how a single text from a friend on a Mountain Gate board started the whole process, why there was no formal auction and the buyer recommended his own banker, why a strategic that didn't already offer his service line was the more interesting buyer, the "do no harm" integration approach — no title mapping, no email changes until 2027, how deal structures have shifted from 2020 to 2026 (equity loans, rollover treatment, the 2022 law change), and why Kevin now just asks friends "was it good or bad?" instead of asking about the multiple.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:12 — Welcome and guest intro: Kevin Simonson, outgoing CEO of adMixt0:45 — Kevin's background: iProspect intern to Metric Digital to Wpromote to adMixt1:39 — What adMixt does: "we get people to buy things on the internet"2:07 — Why adMixt is different — they built their own media buying software3:03 — Who is Interluxe Group? Experiential, media, and PR for luxury brands4:02 — The Mountain Gate connection and how a single text started the deal4:50 — Reverse due diligence: why trusted relationships de-risked the process5:52 — No formal process: how the strategic buyer side reached out and stayed updated quarterly6:46 — Why the buyer recommended Palazzo as Kevin's banker7:26 — Why Interluxe was the right buyer: a brand-new service line vs. overlap at Wpromote9:29 — The "do no harm" integration: no title mapping, no email changes, slow roll to 202710:10 — Deal structure: how it's changed from 2020 to 2026 (and the 2022 law change)11:14 — Ayelet on the legal mechanics: asset vs. stock vs. membership interest purchase12:56 — Why the multiple lies: "just ask if it was good or bad"13:43 — Why structure matters more than the headline EV14:07 — Mountain Gate's acquisition tear and the standing invite to Shamrock15:11 — Kevin's credit to founder Zach and the foundation that made adMixt worth buying16:15 — Why this was an excellent turnaround, well landed🎙️ Guest: Kevin Simonson, President of Performance Marketing, Interluxe Grouphttps://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinsimonson/Connect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

June 5, 202614 min

E68: Sprinklr acquires ViralMoment, Asana Pays $75M for StackAI, Interluxe x adMixt

our deals this week. One disclosed price. The same trade running through all of them — buyers acquiring capability quietly rather than building it.Christian and Ayelet break down what each deal actually signals about where the software and agency markets are heading — plus stick around for the live after-show with Kevin Simonson, CEO of adMixt, on the Interluxe Group acquisition.One deep dive. Three quick hits. One live after-show.What we cover: Why Sprinklr restarted M&A after nearly five years and what choosing ViralMoment first says about the market, the "tale of two cities" in AI exits — top 1% startups clearing the preference stack vs. capability tuck-ins sold as assets, why Asana's $75M StackAI deal is the other side of that coin, and how two ad tech and agency deals (Peer39/Adloox and Interluxe/adMixt) reflect the same buy-not-build logic.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:00 — Welcome to Market and Deals Friday0:30 — Quick market context: the data is backing up the thesis2:50 — Why corporate M&A is surging while PE volume drops4:11 — Deal #1: Sprinklr acquires ViralMoment — video-native social intelligence5:00 — The gap it fills: social moved to video, listening tools are still text-based5:50 — ViralMoment background: founded by Chelsea Hall, Carnegie Mellon, seed-stage6:27 — Sprinklr's earnings context and why this was a buy-not-build asset deal7:30 — The tale of two cities: top 1% AI startups vs. capability tuck-ins8:30 — Sprinklr is hiring an M&A role right now (and Christian's soapbox on the title)9:22 — Deal #2: Asana acquires StackAI for ~$75M — clearing the preference stack10:00 — Why this is the "right tech, right team, right investor" version of the same trade10:30 — The MIT startup angle and the agent execution layer Asana was buying11:01 — Deal #3: Peer39 acquires Adloox from Scope3 — walled garden verification11:50 — Why this matters against DoubleVerify and IAS11:55 — Deal #4: Interluxe Group acquires adMixt — performance firepower for luxury12:56 — The thread tying all four deals together: buy is beating build13:27 — Tease: big announcement next week + after-show with Kevin Simonson of adMixtLinks:Goldman report: https://www.goldmansachs.com/insights/articles/ma-volume-expected-to-surge-this-year-despite-economic-uncertaintyEY Parthenon report: https://www.ey.com/en_us/newsroom/2026/06/ey-parthenon-forecasts-resilient-8-percent-growth-in-us-dealmaking-in-2026-despite-geopolitical-and-economic-headwindsConnect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 31, 202622 min

E67: Why NewEngen is Buying What Other Agencies Don't Understand ft. Justin Hayashi

Most scaled independents looked at Grapevine.ai during the sale process and didn't get it. They couldn't process the economic model. They didn't know how to assess the technology. Justin Hayashi leaned in and won.Recorded at Possible 2026 in the Unplugged Collective pavilion, Christian Hassold and Ayelet Shipley sat down with Justin Hayashi, CEO of NewEngen, one of the most tech-forward independents in the market to break down how he thinks about acquisitions, what makes NewEngen genuinely different from its peers, and what he's looking for next.NewEngen started in 2016 as a tech company trying to dethrone Marin Software, among others. It evolved into the agency their clients always said they were and built a platform around content, creator marketing, and measurement that most of their competitors can't replicate.What we cover: The origin story; from Zulily's IPO to trying to build a bidding algorithm to accidentally building an agency, how three acquisitions in the content and creator space shaped NewEngen's differentiated positioning, the Grapevine.ai deal thesis and why beating an aggressive forecast during diligence was the final proof of conviction, how NewEngen handles integration with a "do no harm" philosophy while keeping brands like Donut Studios intentionally separate, and the buy box for what comes next: social, content, measurement, and commerce.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS00:12: Cold open: does the YC target on agency backs keep you up at night?1:08: Welcome and guest intro: Justin Hayashi, CEO of NewEngen, at Possible 20261:19: The backstory: from Zulily IPO and billion-dollar sale to Qurate, to founding NewEngen2:25: The original thesis: dethrone Marin Software and Kenshoo — and why it didn't work3:58: The pivot: from SaaS company (that clients kept calling an agency) to what NewEngen is today4:28: Tech-enabled DNA: what survived the pivot and what defines NewEngen now5:54: What scaled independents are getting wrong — and where NewEngen differentiates6:45: Three acquisitions in the content and creator space: why content was always the bet7:23: The Grapevine.ai deal: why most scaled independents walked away and NewEngen stepped up8:04: Why Caroline's conviction and operator mindset won the first filter9:00: 900 vetted, high-performing creators vs. seven million claims — the quality argument10:29: Two lenses: founder CEO conviction vs. PE underwriting — how Justin navigated both11:06: The aggressive forecast, the bottoms-up conviction, and what actually happened11:30: Zuckerberg's earnings calls as diligence data: short-form video growth 20% → 30% YoY12:43: What made Grapevine.ai hard for strategic buyers: long-tail revenue and small contracts13:37: How Caroline's client migration story played out in real time during diligence15:19: Donut Digital acquisition: "do no harm" integration and why they kept the brand16:45: LT Partners vs. Acorn Influence vs. Donut Studios: three different integration approaches17:57: The hardest integration lesson: get alignment on goalposts before you close18:59: Buy box: social/content, measurement, commerce, B2C only, $3-12M revenue sweet spot21:02: Closing take: NewEngen is the software-led agency ready to take on Silicon Valley🎙️ Guest: Justin Hayashi, CEO, NewEngen | Recorded at Possible 2026https://www.linkedin.com/in/justinhayashi/Connect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A and agency coverage on In/Organic Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 29, 202617 min

E66: What the $100M Shetty Deal Means for M&A + $21M in funding for an AI-led Agency

iHeart to start a B2B podcast network — read the signal7:50 — Podcast agencies are still priced like services businesses, not talent factories8:50 — The valuation gap: no shared yardstick for IP and franchise value before it's commercialized9:20 — MARC: building the FICO score for franchise value — Ayelet's startup to watch9:52 — The data problem: YouTube gives real analytics, Apple and Spotify give nothing10:51 — The tech layer underneath the smaller podcast agencies — why it matters for buyers11:45 — AI tuck-in: Coupa acquires Tonkean — Israeli agentic intake and orchestration platform12:18 — Israel continues to dominate enterprise AI tuck-ins13:35 — Solstice raises $21M Series A — AI-native pharma marketing agency, content from months to 10 days14:20 — InstaAgent: out of Alchemist + YC P26, agent swarm coordination for paid social15:15 — Connecting the dots: Solstice and InstaAgent are the venture-stage version of the Silicon Valley targeting agencies thesis16:15 — Advice for corp dev teams at Power Digital, PMG, Stanza: track early stage now17:04 — What's next: episode 67 with Justin Hayashi of New Engine, and M&A Source conference panel🔔 Subscribe so you don't miss the big announcementConnect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 26, 202625 min

E65: Four Acquisitions in 9 Months, $700M in Retail Media Spend: Podean's M&A Tear

Podean just closed their fourth acquisition in nine months. Travis Johnson is hinting at a fifth. Mountain Gate's strategic roadmap had six puzzle pieces. Four are filled. Two more to go.This is what a PE-backed independent agency rollup looks like when it's working.Travis Johnson — CEO and co-founder of Podean, the largest independent global marketplace-focused agency — is back on In/Organic to walk through the full acquisition path: what each deal was designed to solve, how they've learned to lead with culture before due diligence, why they stopped taking cold calls and built a one-pager instead, and what's still missing from the platform.At roughly 400 people and growing toward 500, managing $600-700M in retail media spend and driving approximately $5-6B in client sales — Podean may be the most acquisitive independent agency in the US right now. And they're not done.What we cover: The rationale behind each of the four acquisitions — Commerce Canal, AdAdvance, AdMerge, and CartBloom — why Walmart is growing faster than Amazon and CartBloom fills that gap, the hard lesson of spending six months on a deal that fell apart on culture, how Mountain Gate runs the identification process while Podean runs the relationship, the one-pager filter that stops time-wasting calls before they start, and what the next acquisition is probably going to be.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:26 — Welcome back and a quick apology to the 2,180 YouTube subscribers1:23 — Travis Johnson reintroduction: Podean, Mountain Gate backing, four deals in nine months2:44 — Quick refresh: the four acquisitions — Commerce Canal, AdAdvance, AdMerge, CartBloom3:37 — Podean's strategic thesis: end-to-end, global, social commerce, retail management4:15 — Breaking down each acquisition: what did it add?4:43 — Commerce Canal: retail operations depth, logistics, apparel vertical, New York office5:55 — AdAdvance: media-only depth, Amazon relationships, Streamline tech platform7:30 — AdMerge: two-thirds ex-Amazon team, global footprint now 21 countries, EmergeView and Emerge Engine9:30 — CartBloom: ex-Amazon, ex-Walmart founders, specialist Walmart depth in the fastest-growing retail media platform10:32 — Deal process breakdown: three proprietary, one banker-run (AdMerge)11:20 — What's still missing: social commerce globally and AI-native tech12:14 — TikTok Shop growing globally — Ireland, Europe, US numbers keep rising12:43 — Tech consolidation: from 6 tech people to 30, building AI-native unified platform14:08 — 400+ headcount, $600-700M retail media spend, $5-6B in client sales15:35 — "Just drop Codex on the file system and tell it to fix everything"16:13 — Advice for smaller agencies: don't get distracted, run a solid business first17:00 — The hard lesson: six months on a deal that fell apart on culture fit18:02 — Lead with culture first, numbers second — the pivot that changed their process18:25 — What taking PE money actually means: "You're about to sprint faster than you've ever sprinted"19:30 — Integration is hard: HR platforms, titles, tools, ways of working all different20:04 — Mountain Gate's role: strategic roadmap session, identification, deal sourcing20:38 — Six puzzle pieces. Four filled. Two more to go.22:13 — The one-pager filter: how to triage inbound without wasting time24:00 — Number five is coming. Give the exclusive to In/Organic, not AdAge.🎙️ Guest: Travis Johnson, CEO & Co-Founder, Podeanhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/travis-johnson77/Connect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co🔔 Subscribe — we'll have acquisition #5 when it drops💬 Drop your guesses on the next Podean deal in the comments Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 26, 202615 min

S1: From Employee 20 to Bootstrap CEO: Joe Gadreau on Building the Data Layer Nobody Wanted to Build

Everyone wanted the commerce front end. Nobody wanted the data.Joe Gadreau watched agency after agency walk away from the hardest — and most important — part of the commerce stack while he was at Salsify. So he went and built it himself.Recorded live at Salsify's Digital Shelf Summit in Atlanta, Christian sat down with Joe Gadreau, founder and CEO of Lettuce Commerce, for a conversation about what it means to be an AI-native services company in 2024, why the "bill you forever" managed services model is dying, and how the convergence of software and services is reshaping what the next generation of consulting firms actually looks like.What we cover: Why Joe left one of the first 20 seats at Salsify to start his own thing, the car and fuel analogy that explains why product content is the most overlooked piece of the commerce stack, how Lettuce Commerce is going after legacy SI firms head-on, Sequoia's thesis on the next trillion dollar company masquerading as a services firm, and what a bootstrapped founder thinks about capital, scale, and the right moment to consider outside investment.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:26 — Welcome and guest intro: Joe Gadreau, founder and CEO of Lettuce Commerce0:44 — Joe's background: athlete tracking technology to employee #20 at Salsify1:40 — Why Salsify was the right place to build a professional foundation2:34 — The moment you know it's time to start your own thing3:13 — The thesis: everyone builds the commerce front end, nobody fuels it with data4:25 — "Let us help" — where the name Lettuce Commerce actually came from5:16 — What Lettuce Commerce does: systems integrator meets strategic consultancy6:30 — Helping clients pick the right technology, not just implement what they chose7:43 — How Joe thinks about competing with Accenture Song and Amplify8:00 — AI-native from day one: founded January 2024, the same era as ChatGPT9:00 — Eating the lunch of legacy services firms built on perpetual managed services revenue9:41 — The difference between hand-holding and genuine change management11:22 — Repeat customers who want help with the next stage vs. dependency models11:52 — The software-services convergence: what does it actually mean for a services business?12:17 — Sequoia's bold statement: the next trillion dollar company will be a software company masquerading as a services firm13:03 — Is Lettuce the orchestrator or part of a bigger journey?13:26 — Bootstrapped and proud — and approaching the point where capital could accelerate ambition14:34 — Controlling your own destiny while staying open to the right combination14:57 — Christian's read: a product-led partnership is in Lettuce's not-too-distant future🔔 Subscribe so you don't miss the big announcementConnect with Guest, Joe Gaudreauhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/joegaudreau/Connect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 22, 202614 min

E64: Anthropic Just Pulled Off Competitive Denial M&A + KPMG M&A Market Update

Most AI acquisitions add a layer. This one removed a layer — for everyone else.Anthropic acquired Stainless, the developer tools company that built SDKs for OpenAI, Google, Cloudflare, Perplexity, and dozens of other AI and fintech platforms. Then they wound down all hosted Stainless products. The shared supplier is no longer neutral. The tollbooth just changed hands.Christian and Ayelet break down what happened, why it matters for every agency and AI startup in the market, and what the KPMG Q1 2026 M&A data actually says about where deal activity is heading.One deal. One market update. Fifteen minutes. (Plus some Riverside FM chaos.)TIMESTAMPS0:00 — Welcome back, noisy week, Publicis/LiveRamp hangover0:45 — KPMG Q1 2026 M&A report: deal values up 88.3% to $446B, deal count down2:30 — Strategic vs. PE deal activity: 864 strategic, 495 PE in Q1 20263:23 — Advertising sector: 145 deals in Q1 2026, flat to slightly up4:00 — Why Christian is predicting a Q2 uptick in strategic activity4:42 — The deals happening behind closed doors that don't show in the data5:01 — Deal: Anthropic acquires Stainless — $300M+ for the SDK plumbing of the AI industry5:45 — What Stainless actually does: API specs into ready-to-use SDKs across languages6:10 — The competitive denial angle: Stainless built SDKs for OpenAI, Google, Cloudflare, Perplexity6:30 — What "winding down hosted products" actually means for Stainless customers7:44 — Deal terms: $300M+ reported, ~2x the December 2024 Series A valuation of $150M8:00 — Anthropic's acquisition pattern: Wunderkind, Intercepted, Coefficient Bio, now Stainless9:00 — The through line: small specialized teams making Claude better — except Stainless is different9:16 — If you're a shared supplier to competing platforms, you are an acquisition target10:03 — Why this matters for every agency and commerce business building on AI10:30 — The MCP angle: Model Context Protocol and why connectivity is the next battleground12:29 — Why Anthropic investing in Stainless is probably also an aggressive MCP build13:46 — The AI exit multiple conversation: how the timeline is compressing14:25 — Grapevine AI / New Engine: outsized early exit with real AI capability15:05 — "Capture the flag" — why traditional grow-then-sell timelines no longer apply15:21 — Wrap, Memorial Day wishes, and please someone recommend an alternative to RiversideLink to the KPMG report: https://kpmg.com/us/en/articles/mergers-acquisitions-trends-tech-media-telecom.html🔔 Live every Friday — subscribe so you don't miss the big announcement💬 Drop your guesses on the mystery buyer in the commentsConnect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 21, 202631 min

E63: Publicis Acquires LiveRamp: Data War, Holdco Identity Race and What It Actually Means

Publicis dropped a bomb on Sunday. By Monday, LinkedIn was on fire. Christian, co-host of the In/organic Podcast pulled together two of the sharpest voices in commerce and media to break down what this deal actually means — beyond the press release.Joining In/Organic for this special episode: Ari Paparo, 20-year ad tech veteran, host of the Marketecture podcast, and author of Yield: How Google Bought, Built and Bullied Its Way to Advertising Dominance — and Peter (PVSB) Bond, co-host of the CPG Guys podcast (closing in on episode 600) and Head of Industry and Client Engagement at Flywheel, the commerce acceleration division of Omnicom.This is the one episode this week you can't skip.What we cover: Is this really an agentic AI story or is that just the packaging? Why LiveRamp's client count is already down from 940 to 800 — and what happens next. Why Omnicom, WPP, and every other holdco is immediately accelerating their own identity builds. The three distinct assets inside LiveRamp and which one actually matters. Why Amazon Marketing Cloud is the elephant in the clean room conversation. What independent agencies and lower middle market ad tech players should actually do in response. And who the M&A targets are for anyone not named Publicis.Timestamps0:00 — Breaking news: Publicis announces plan to acquire LiveRamp1:58 — Deal terms: $2.5B total EV, $2.16B net of cash, 2.8x revenue2:45 — Guest intros: Ari Paparo (Marketecture) and Peter Bond (CPG Guys / Flywheel)4:00 — The backstory: IPG acquired Acxiom in 2018 but deliberately excluded LiveRamp5:30 — Is this an agentic AI story? Ari's honest take7:30 — The agent execution problem: why data rails matter as much as intelligence8:43 — The MCP angle: data as enabler vs. data as action9:32 — Data supremacy and the holdco war — Peter's perspective11:00 — LiveRamp client attrition: 940 → 800 and Horizon already looking to exit11:35 — Auren Hoffman's forlorn X post and what's buried in it12:28 — What does WPP, Omnicom, and every other holdco do now?13:18 — Publicis's track record: Epsilon, Citrus Ad, Sapient — and whether Profiteur was worth it14:55 — Breaking down LiveRamp's three assets: Ramp ID, clean room (Habu), and onboarding16:30 — WPP acquired Infosum. Omnicom has Acxiom/Real ID. Who's missing what?17:38 — Amazon Marketing Cloud owns 75% of retail media ad dollars — what does that leave LiveRamp?19:33 — Benoit from Liquid Death: "Not having a clean room strategy in 2026 is malfeasance"20:35 — What this means for independent agencies and lower middle market ad tech players22:21 — LiveRamp as a natural monopoly — and why competitors now have a real window23:35 — The Flywheel parallel: neutrality ends the moment you're inside a holdco25:48 — M&A targets for the corps dev teams at PMG, Horizon, and the super-independents27:16 — The Trade Desk's UID2: worth billions as a standalone, invisible inside the DSP27:36 — The financial model of holdcos is fundamentally transforming — Peter's closing argument29:12 — Ari's final shout-out: Optimal as the leading independent clean room target🎙️ Guests: Ari Paparo (Marketecture) and Peter Bond (CPG Guys / Flywheel / Omnicom)https://www.linkedin.com/in/aripaparo/https://www.linkedin.com/in/pvsbond/🔔 Subscribe for weekly M&A and ad tech coverage on In/Organicwww.inorganicpodcast.co💬 Drop your takes on the Publicis/LiveRamp deal in the comments Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

May 15, 202619 min

E62: 5 AI Tuck-Ins, & 3 Deals to Know: Brands at Work x Chorus, Smartly x INCRMNTAL & OpAd x Broad

The Accenture agency acquisition is still in progress. Five AI tuck-ins closed this week across fintech, crypto, process mining, hardware, and spend management. And three deals that tell you everything about where the lower middle market is heading right now.Christian and Ayelet are back for Deal Review Friday — and this one is packed.Three deals. Five AI tuck-ins. One major tease still in progress. Running a little over 15 minutes. Worth it.⏱️ TIMESTAMPS0:00 — Welcome, May 15th 2026, and what's on the agenda0:45 — Accenture update: deal still in progress, silence is golden1:42 — AI tuck-in #1: Carta acquires Avantia — AI-native legal services + UK international play3:47 — AI tuck-in #2: MoonPay acquires Dawn Labs — autonomous AI trading agents5:38 — AI tuck-in #3: Celonis acquires Ikigai Labs — MIT spin-out, AI professor joins as chief scientist7:30 — AI tuck-in #4: Nominal acquires Fid Labs — AI agents connecting to dev environments and physical hardware8:20 — AI tuck-in #5: Coupa acquires Rossum — document ingestion layer completes source-to-pay stack8:39 — Deal #1: Brands at Work acquires Chorus — two London independents bet on integrated model9:45 — Why experiential has shifted from discretionary to core marketing strategy11:53 — Two independents, no banker, no PE: why this deal is worth celebrating13:05 — Deal #2: Smartly finalizes acquisition of INCRMNTAL — LOI to close in 7 weeks13:30 — What INCRMNTAL actually does and why Smartly needed it15:26 — Smartly manages $7B in media spend — and now has the measurement layer to match16:00 — Props to the INCRMNTAL founders and Smartly's Head of Corp Dev17:16 — Deal #3: OpAd Media acquires Broad Agency — two women-owned independents join forces18:30 — How Carrie Kerpen brought the two teams together at dinner19:30 — Ayelet was at the table when it happened20:30 — Same theme as Brands at Work / Chorus: independents on their own terms21:01 — Girl dinner confirmed. Christian not invited.21:57 — Wrap + episode 60 reminder🔔 Live every Friday — subscribe so you don't miss the big announcement💬 Drop your guesses on the mystery buyer in the commentsConnect with Christian and AyeletAyelet’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-shipley-b16330149/Christian's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hassold/Web: https://www.inorganicpodcast.co Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.