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Impact(ed)

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16

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Jun 2026

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For its first two seasons , Impact(ed) carved out space for practitioners of color to speak candidly about their work. It showcased the importance of diverse, creative perspectives and a non-traditional, non-linear path into the world of investing. It grounded the conversation in lived experience and real decision-making, not just frameworks and conference talking points. And importantly, it gave a platform to perspectives and voices that are too often pushed to the side. This season, Impact(ed) will take conversations even deeper. Because there are things we all know–but don’t say out loud: We know most LPs are still optimizing for risk-adjusted returns, not impact. We know investment committees rarely behave the way their mission statements suggest they do. We know entire strategies get framed as “market opportunity” when they’re really a function of where capital feels comfortable flowing. And we know that when markets tighten, a lot of the courageous rhetoric gets silenced quickly. Where our first two seasons -- importantly -- shone on a light on practitioners of color in the middle of their careers reflecting on how they got there, and the many pieces of the impact investing puzzle (from ESG-screening at some of the largest pensions, to impact VC, and employee ownership as an alternative to traditional buyouts) this season will be a deeper dive into the structural levers that control how capital is allocated. We started with a mission of showing the whole chessboard and widening the tent to including more voices and perspectives in the conversation, and now we're eager to dive deeper into honest discussions about the more granular barriers and genuine opportunities for scale within impact investing. This season we'll be covering topics like: Blackstone and Your Retirement Impact Investing in the Built Environment Are There Too Many VC's? The Current State of Community Development The Pro's and Con's of PE The Business of Asset Management How IC's Actually Work What Went Wrong with Tricolor Impact Investing & Public Policy And a Retrospective Review of Past Episodes

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June 3, 2026Episode 248 min

Are There Too Many VC's?

Are There Too Many VCs in Impact Investing? The Real Answer Is More Complicated than a Yes or No.Ben Thornley is co-founder and managing partner of Tideline, one of the field’s leading research and advisory firms on impact investing. He’s not an investor—he’s the person that the largest limited partners in the world, institutions managing hundreds of billions in assets, call when they’re trying to make sense of a market they don’t fully understand yet.His answer: the problem isn’t too much VC. It’s not enough of everything else. The capital stack in impact investing is barbelling—institutions piling into later-stage, more proven strategies while early-stage impact sits overcrowded and without much liquidityEPISODE GLOSSARY:BarbellingTechnical: A distribution pattern in which capital concentrates at two extremes of a spectrum, leaving the middle relatively underfunded.In practice: In impact investing, institutional capital is flowing heavily into later-stage, more proven strategies (large private equity funds, public equities with ESG screens) and into very early-stage philanthropic work—while the middle (growth-stage impact, fund II and III managers) goes undercapitalized.Why it matters: The companies most ready to scale—past proof of concept but not yet large enough to attract big institutional mandates—are exactly where the gap sits. Barbelling explains why the field can feel both overcrowded and underfunded at the same time.Secondary MarketsTechnical: Markets where investors buy and sell existing stakes in private funds or companies, rather than investing directly into new deals.In practice: If you’re an LP in a private equity fund and you need liquidity before the fund winds down, you sell your stake to another investor on the secondary market. In conventional private equity, this market is large and well-developed. In impact investing, it barely exists—Ben noted you can count impact secondary funds on one hand.Why it matters: Without a secondary market, every impact investment is effectively locked up until exit. That illiquidity premium makes impact structurally more expensive to hold than conventional alternatives, which rational institutions will price accordingly.Concessionary CapitalTechnical: Capital that accepts below-market financial returns in exchange for social or environmental impact.In practice: Think of a foundation that invests in an affordable housing fund knowing the returns will be lower than a comparable market-rate fund—because the goal is to produce housing, not just profit. The ‘concession’ is the financial return the investor foregoes.Why it matters: The field debates how much concession is appropriate—or required—for genuine impact. Ben’s view is that the impact investing community has sometimes made this debate more binary than it needs to be, excluding strategies that produce real impact but don’t meet a specific return threshold.Lacking LiquidityTechnical: A state in which a market or asset class lacks sufficient liquidity mechanisms (secondary markets, structured exits, revolving credit facilities) to meet investor demand. In practice: An impact fund manager trying to return capital to LPs who need liquidity has very few options compared to a conventional PE manager. There’s no robust secondary market to sell into, fewer structured products to access bridge capital, and fewer exit pathways in general.Why it matters: A lack of liquidity compounds over time. It makes the asset class less attractive to institutions that need to manage liquidity risk—which restricts the pool of potential LPs, which limits fund size, which limits what managers can do

May 22, 2026Episode 144 min

Blackstone & Your Retirement

Only 10% of retail investors say they want expanded access to private markets. So why is the entire industry pushing for it?On the latest episode of Impact(ed), we sat down with Ian Fuller (Westfuller Advisors) and Ben Schiffrin (Better Markets) to unpack what’s actually happening as firms like Blackstone, Apollo, and KKR make their push into 401(k) accounts.We talked about:The new Department of Labor guidance creating a ‘safe harbor’ for private market investing in retirement plans—and why removing fiduciary liability changes everythingWhy the democratization framing deserves real scrutiny—and who’s doing the framingWhat the fee math actually looks like when you put 2-and-20 next to a Vanguard index fundThe liquidity trap: what happens when everyday investors can’t get their money outGLOSSARYAccredited InvestorTechnical: A person or entity that meets the SEC’s wealth or income thresholds—currently $1M net worth (excluding your home) or $200K annual income ($300K for couples).In practice: The legal standard used to determine who can access private market investments. The idea is that accredited investors are sophisticated enough to fend for themselves without the protections that apply to public offerings. The thresholds haven’t kept pace with wealth concentration, which means a lot more people technically qualify now than the rule originally imagined.2-and-20Technical: The standard fee structure for private market funds: a 2% annual management fee on assets under management, plus 20% of profits (called ‘carry’ or ‘carried interest’).In practice: Compare that to a Vanguard S&P 500 index fund, which charges roughly 0.03%. For every $100,000 invested, you’re paying $2,000/year in management fees before the fund has done anything—plus a fifth of any gains. Ian was direct: funds with this fee structure don't consistently produce better outcomes than passive investing.Liquidity / IlliquidTechnical: Liquidity refers to how quickly and easily you can convert an investment into cash. Illiquid investments can’t be sold quickly—you may need to wait months, years, or until a specific exit event.In practice: Index funds and ETFs in your 401(k) are highly liquid—you can sell them and get your money in days. Most private market funds are illiquid. Some ‘semi-liquid’ private credit funds cap redemptions at 5% per quarter, meaning if you need your money and others do too, you may simply be told to wait. Ben noted that redemption requests at some private credit funds are currently exceeding that 5% limit.Why it matters: Retirement accounts aren’t always held until retirement. People dip in for emergencies. Illiquid assets in a retirement account mean you may not be able to get your money when you need it.Safe HarborTechnical: A legal provision that protects a party from liability if they’ve followed a specific set of rules or procedures, even if the outcome is bad.In practice: The Department of Labor’s proposed rule would create a safe harbor for 401(k) plan managers who follow certain steps before investing in private markets. If they follow the process, they’re shielded from lawsuits—even if the investment performs poorly. Ben’s concern: the guardrails in the safe harbor may not be sufficient to actually protect retail investors, especially those who don’t have access to a sophisticated advisor to ask the right questions on their behalf.Why it matters: Safe harbors can be appropriate policy tools. But they can also shift the risk from institutions (who can absorb it) to individuals (who often can’t). That’s the core tension this episode kept returning to.

December 5, 2023Episode 238 min

Foundations with Essma Bengabsia (Annie E. Casey Foundation)

Private foundations manage more than a trillion dollars of capital, which is invested across a variety of asset classes, so that a portion of their financial returns can be given out as grants for social impact. Join us and guest Essma Bengabsia (The Annie E. Casey Foundation) to learn about the untapped power and potential of philanthropy’s approach to investing, as well as how her community and identities have fueled a career path that has led her to be an impact investor at a $3 billion foundation. Brief primer on the size, scale and scope of private foundations [1:25] Essma’s path to working on impact investments at a foundation [6:25]  Mechanics and approaches of the Annie E. Casey Foundation [10:00] The beauty and challenges of bringing your full self to work [18:45] An exciting investment: Mission Driven Finance’s Care Access Real Estate [22:10] Essma’s advice to her younger self [25:50] Impact potential: truly equitable stakeholder engagement within investing [30:05] All views expressed by our guest are her own and do not necessarily express the views of the Annie E. Casey Foundation. Demystifying Industry Jargon: endowment, perpetuity, mission-aligned investing, program-related investment, community development financial institution (CDFI), negative screening Impact(ed) is written, recorded and produced by its two co-hosts, Eric Horvath and Lucas Turner-Owens. Please connect with us on Linkedin, we’d love to hear your thoughts on this episode, your recommendations for future topics and guests, and be in community with you. Graphic Design by Ann Van. Original Music by Lucas Turner-Owens.

November 7, 2023Episode 135 min

Pensions with Tara Mei Smith (NYC Pension System) and Marcela Pinilla (Mass PRIM)

Pension funds hold trillions of dollars of capital, which is invested for the future retirement benefits of teachers, public sector employees, firefighters and so many more workers. Join us as we talk with guests Tara Mei Smith (NYC Comptroller) and Marcela Pinilla (Zevin Asset Management; Mass PRIM) about the importance of pensions, their potential to contribute to a more equitable society and what Tara Mei and Marcela would tell their younger selves. Brief primer on the size, scale and scope of pensions [0:55] A “Long Promise” - why pensions and their returns matter to workers [8:05] Who are NYC’s pensioners? [11:45] The power of pensions to advocate for human rights [15:00] How the NYC pension fund system invests [18:00] As women of color working in finance, what advice would you give your younger self? [31:55] Demystifying Industry Jargon: ESG, Fiduciary Duty, Responsible Contractor Policy, EEO-1 Data,  Due Diligence, Defined Benefit v. Defined Contribution Plan, Investment Meetings Recordings (NYC Comptroller) Impact(ed) is written, recorded and produced by its two co-hosts, Eric Horvath and Lucas Turner-Owens. Please connect with us on Linkedin, we’d love to hear your thoughts on this episode, your recommendations for future topics and guests, and be in community with you. Graphic Design by Ann Van. Original Music by Lucas Turner-Owens.

March 24, 2024Episode 431 min

Community Lending with Ana Ramos (Common Future) & Jocelyn Velazquez (IFF)

Community Lending, whether at Community Development Financial Institutions (CDFIs) or elsewhere, supports economic opportunity in low and moderate income communities across the country. With borrowers' best interests at heart, community lending provides consumer loans to individuals, working capital to small businesses and funds to support community-oriented real estate projects like affordable housing. Join us and guests Ana Ramos (Common Future) and Jocelyn Velazquez (IFF) to learn about how their cultures and families influence their work and the importance of empathy and intersectionality when considering their roles as community lenders. Brief primer on the size, scale and scope of community lending [0:50] Ana and Jocelyn’s on how their lived experiences have led them to work in community lending [5:05] IFF’s size, scope and approach to community lending [9:15] Common Future’s approach to racial and economic justice through impact investing [11:25] Two recent real estate deals Ana’s most excited about [15:20] A day in the life as a community lender at IFF and CF [17:45] The core skills you really need to get into this work [25:00] All views expressed by our guest are her own and do not necessarily express the views of Common Future or IFF. Demystifying Industry Jargon: redlining, Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), ShoreBank, CDFI Fund  Impact(ed) is written, recorded and produced by its two co-hosts, Eric Horvath and Lucas Turner-Owens. Please connect with us on Linkedin, we’d love to hear your thoughts on this episode, your recommendations for future topics and guests, and be in community with you. Graphic Design by Ann Van. Original Music by Lucas Turner-Owens.

May 14, 2025Episode 238 min

Financing Worker Ownership Conversions with Todd Leverette (Apis & Heritage)

Todd Leverette from Apis & Heritage sits with us to talk about his circuitous path from Wall Street to financing Worker-Ownership with Private Credit and how, when he looks back on his career, much like Common’s third album “One Day It’ll All Make Sense.”00:00 Introduction to Employee Ownership and Buyouts04:47 The Case for Employee Ownership10:57 Knowledge Sharing in Employee-Owned Companies13:33 Apis and Heritage: A New Model for Buyouts19:55 Engaging Workers in the Buyout Process25:52 The Impact of Employee Ownership on Company Culture30:03 Real-World Examples of Successful Transitions34:14 Advice for the Next Generation of Impact Investors

November 14, 20231 min

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June 3, 2025Episode 525 min

Direct Investing via Foundations with Smit Naik (Sorenson Impact)

Smit Naik of Sorenson Impact Institute joined the pod last fall to talk about his previous work at Gary Community Ventures, where he served as its Director of Impact Investing. We talked about the importance of deploying the right capital, at the right time, for the right purpose; how philanthropies leave so much potential impact on the table; and why even investors should approach their work with human-centered design. Smit’s new title is Managing Director of Impact Investing at the Sorenson Impact Institute where he oversees their early-stage venture capital investment strategy.Timestamps:00:00 Bridging the Gap: Understanding Community Needs01:06 Smitt Naik's Journey into Impact Investing02:21 The Role of Listening in Impact Investing04:46 Gary Community Ventures: A Theory of Change09:00 Innovative Approaches to Community Investment12:06 MySpark: Empowering Youth through Financial Choice15:39 The Unique Approach of Gary Community Ventures19:01 Innovating Foundations: Moving Wealth and Power20:28 A Day in the Life of an Impact Investor23:41 Advice for Future Impact InvestorsLinks:Smit’s LinkedinSorenson Impact Institute websiteGary Community Ventures websiteEric’s LinkedinLucas’ Linkedin

May 30, 2024Episode 532 min

Investment Advisory with Ellen Chiu (Westfuller Advisors)

The investment advisory industry manages trillions and trillions of client assets, for individuals and institutions, to support their financial objectives. Increasingly, thanks to the rise of sustainable finance, impact investing and the great generational wealth transfer, more and more clients are adding social impact goals alongside their financial ones. Join us and guest Ellen Chiu (Westfuller Advisors) to learn about how her progressive values brought her to her current role in the investment advisory industry, the relationship and reciprocity firms like hers have with their clients, and why impact measurement’s something she’s so excited about. Brief primer on the size, scale and scope of the investment advisory industry [1:06] Ellen shares how her upbringing and immigrant parents sparked her interest in finance [7:01] How Ellen first got exposed to the investment advisory industry [9:34] An introduction to Ellen’s firm, Westfuller Advisors and who they work with [11:30] How Westfuller works with institutional clients to support their investment needs and mission goals [14:42] Matchmaking for mission [22:00] One of the project’s Ellen’s most excited about currently [24:06] Advice Ellen would give her younger self [27:57]  All views expressed by our guest are her own and do not necessarily express the views of Westfuller Advisors. Demystifying Industry Jargon: RIA, CFA, portfolio management, OCIO, impact measurement, IPS Impact(ed) is written, recorded and produced by its two co-hosts, Eric Horvath and Lucas Turner-Owens. Please connect with us on Linkedin, we’d love to hear your thoughts on this episode, your recommendations for future topics and guests, and be in community with you. Original Music by Lucas Turner-Owens.

June 18, 2025Episode 732 min

Raising Impact Capital with Alicia DeLia (Delia Impact Advisors)

Alicia DeLia of DeLia Impact Advisors joins the pod this week to talk about raising both grants and impact-first investments. Alicia shares why she’s passionate about getting capital to communities; how she supports leaders from diverse backgrounds to create authentic relationships with wealth holders, so fundraising doesn’t feel so transactional; and the importance of being an optimist.Timestamps:00:00 Breaking Down Silos in Impact Investing01:04 Understanding Fundraising in Impact Investing03:54 The Role of Investor Relations04:59 Alicia DeLea's Journey into Fundraising09:00 Resource Mobilization in Impact Investing11:58 Mindset and Self-Belief in Fundraising15:57 The Importance of Asking for More17:01 Defining Grants vs. Impact Investing20:09 A Week in the Life of a Fundraiser22:00 Transferable Skills in Fundraising25:58 The Power of Convening29:10 Advice for Future FundraisersLinks:Alicia’s LinkedinDeLia Impact Advisor’s websiteEric’s LinkedinLucas’ Linkedin

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