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GeTtin' SALTy Podcast

GeTtin' SALTy Podcast

Hosted by Greenberg Traurig, LLP

Episodes

77

Latest episode

May 2026

Language

EN

About the show

GeTtin' SALTy is a podcast hosted by Greenberg Traurig, focusing on state and local tax policy, legislative, regulatory and litigation updates. The GT SALT Practice assists companies in need of state and local tax counsel whether in a single location or multiple locations throughout the United States. With the largest footprint of any law firm in the United States, the SALT Practice has attorneys in 16 of the firm's domestic offices, including California, Colorado, Delaware, Illinois, Florida, New York, Oregon, and Texas. The firm's breadth of experience across the full SALT spectrum allows GT to offer a wide range of services, including counseling and controversy. The team also regularly partners with the firm's nationally recognized Government Law and Policy Practice to help shape the tax law which affects our clients most.

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June 16, 202636 min

Smithfield, Apportionment, and the Limits of Single Sales Factor: A Discussion of California's Most-Watched SALT Cases

In the latest GeTtin' SALTy podcast episode, host Nikki Dobay welcomes new Greenberg Traurig colleague John Ormonde, a shareholder in the firm's State and Local Tax Practice. The centerpiece of the episode is a detailed inside look at the Smithfield Foods case, which John identifies as one of the most significant California apportionment decisions in recent memory - and which observers at the Federation of Tax Administrators have called perhaps the single most important case on apportionment for the foreseeable future. John breaks down the two distinct issues before the court. The first issue concerns whether Smithfield qualified as an agricultural business under California Revenue and Taxation Code Section 25128, entitling it to three-factor apportionment rather than single sales factor apportionment. The second - and more broadly applicable - issue involves alternative apportionment under Section 25137, California's codification of Section 18 of UDITPA, which has counterparts in more than twenty states. Nikki and John also preview two additional pending California matters. The NTU case, currently on appeal, challenges the retroactive application of Revenue and Taxation Code Section 25128.9, which modified the apportionment factors in ways that effectively eliminated the use of gross receipts as historically understood. The episode also touches on Garcia-Rojas v. Franchise Tax Board, in which the California Court of Appeal held that a sole proprietor performing services for a California customer was not engaged in a unitary business and therefore could not be subjected to market-based sourcing under the UDITPA-derived regulation - a decision now before the California Supreme Court on FTB's petition for review. The episode closes with a lightly competitive debate over World Cup allegiances, with both Nikki and John ultimately landing on Mexico.

May 29, 202627 min

Leading the MTC: A Conversation with New Executive Director Keith Richardson

This episode of GeTtin' SALTy features an introductory conversation with Keith Richardson, the newly appointed Executive Director of the Multistate Tax Commission (MTC).  Host Nikki Dobay explores Keith's unconventional path to state and local tax administration, tracing his career from community banking and the North Philadelphia Financial Partnership through his tenure as Philadelphia Revenue Commissioner under Mayor Michael Nutter and later as head of the DC Office of Tax and Revenue.  Their discussion covers Keith's vision for the MTC's future, including his focus on organizational excellence, talent development, expanded engagement with local taxing jurisdictions, and deeper outreach to the business and practitioner communities.  The episode also touches on pressing SALT policy issues on the MTC's radar, including the taxation of digital goods, wealth taxes, and the emerging regulatory questions surrounding prediction markets.  Throughout, Keith reflects on the MTC's 59-year mission to promote uniformity and consistency in state and local tax policy and administration, and what he hopes to accomplish as he carries the organization into its next chapter. Tune in!

May 13, 202619 min

California Court of Appeal Rejects FTB's Unitary Business Theory for Individuals in Garcia-Rojas: A Win for Non-Resident Sole Proprietors

In this episode of the GeTtin' SALTy podcast, host Nikki Dobay is joined by Greenberg Traurig colleagues Brad Marsh and Jennifer Vincent to discuss a significant recent victory in the California Court of Appeal - First Appellate District: Xavier Garcia-Rojas v. Franchise Tax Board.  The case involved a Texas-based radiologist who performed all of his work from his home state yet faced California income tax assessments on his earnings from a contract with a California-based company. Brad and Jen walk through the factual background of the case, explain how the Franchise Tax Board attempted to apply the unitary business principle to a sole proprietor conducting a single business activity, and describe why the Court of Appeal rejected that theory.  The episode includes a practical note for practitioners: non-resident individuals who have been assessed California tax under the Bindley framework may now have strong grounds to file refund claims in light of this decision.  They wrap up the discussion with a lighthearted round of concert recommendations.

April 30, 202636 min

AB 1790: California's Push to Repeal the Water's Edge Election - Loophole or Sound Tax Policy?

In this episode of Greenberg Traurig's GeTtin' SALTy podcast, host Nikki Dobay is joined by Peter Blocker, Vice President of Policy at the California Taxpayers Association, and Alan Pasetsky, Owner and Founder of Tax Policy LLC, for an in-depth discussion of California Assembly Bill 1790 - a measure that, if passed, would repeal California's Water's Edge election for corporate income tax purposes. The conversation covers the fiscal and political backdrop driving the bill, including California's projected multi-billion dollar budget shortfall and pressure from the State Employee Union (SEIU) to identify new revenue sources.  The guests discuss the characterization of the Water's Edge election as a "loophole," explaining its long-standing role in state tax policy, its use in the majority of states with combined reporting regimes, and the risks of double taxation and compliance burdens that worldwide combined reporting would create. They also examine the international dimension of the proposal, including a letter signed by eight foreign governments expressing concern about potential double taxation and the prospect of retaliatory trade measures against California businesses.  Peter and Alan outline the opposition coalition being led by CalTax, the legislative path forward through the Assembly Appropriations Committee and the May 14th suspense hearing, the two-thirds vote requirement, and the possibility that the measure could be folded into the budget process.  The episode closes with a look at the longer-term landscape, including the governor's stated opposition to tax increases and the implications for California's upcoming gubernatorial race.

April 15, 202629 min

Data Centers and the Sales Tax Misnomer

In this episode of the GeTtin' SALTy podcast, host Nikki Dobay is joined by Jared Walczak, Senior Fellow at the Tax Foundation and founder of the Walczak Policy Consulting Group, for a focused discussion on the evolving state and local tax treatment of data centers. Jared explains how many states initially structured their favorable treatment of data center equipment as targeted incentives rather than incorporating that treatment into their existing business input exemption structure (i.e., manufacturing/machinery and equipment exemptions).  While the practical effect was largely the same at the time, this framing decision has created significant political and policy complications.  As state revenues have normalized and public sentiment toward data centers has grown more mixed in some communities, those incentives have come under increasing scrutiny -- with lawmakers questioning why the state is "giving away" revenue, a framing that would not arise if the exemption had been built into the standard sales tax framework from the outset. Nikki and Jared discuss the core policy argument: that data center equipment is a classic business input, no different in principle from manufacturing machinery and equipment, and that subjecting it to sales tax runs counter to the foundational design of a consumption-based tax.  They also address the economic stakes, including the capital-intensive nature of data center investment, the regular refresh cycles driven by AI and technological advancement, and the significant local tax revenues these facilities generate through real and personal property taxes. The episode closes with a look at the broader competitive landscape -- including the relevance of foreign VAT regimes -- and a reminder that the question for states is not whether data centers will be built, but where.

April 1, 202618 min

Washington's Historic Session: A New Income Tax, a Farewell to the Penny, and What Comes Next

In this episode of GeTtin' SALTy, podcast host Nikki Dobay welcomes back Representative April Berg of Washington's 44th District for a deep dive into the 2026 landmark 60-day legislative session in Olympia.  Rep. Berg walks through the passage of Washington's new  tax - a 9.9% levy on individual income exceeding $1 million - marking the first time Washington, one of a handful of states without an income tax, has enacted one. The conversation covers the constitutional backdrop of the uniformity clause, the century-old case, and why lawmakers believe the new law is on solid legal footing.  They also discuss the consumer relief provisions bundled into the legislation, including sales tax exemptions on groceries, personal hygiene products, diapers, and over-the-counter medications, as well as a meaningful increase in the B&O tax threshold for small businesses. The episode also touches on the comprehensive legislation Washington enacted in response to the federal elimination of the penny, cleanup fixes to prior legislation, and the anticipated legal challenges ahead.  Rep. Berg closes with a preview of her next priority: replacing Washington's business and occupation tax with a margins tax in the upcoming session.

March 18, 202633 min

Oregon's 2026 Short Session Debrief: Transportation, Conformity, and the Politics of Tax Policy

In this post-session episode of the GeTtin' SALTy podcast, host Nikki Dobay is joined by Jeff Newgard of Peak Policy for a comprehensive debrief on Oregon's 2026 short legislative session. Despite being limited to just 35 days, the session tackled a high volume of significant issues. Jeff and Nikki walk through the major tax and policy developments from the session, including the transportation funding referendum, which now heads to a May primary election amid active legal challenges.  They discuss the conformity debate and the legislature's decision to disconnect from select federal tax provisions following passage of the One Big Beautiful Act, as well as the fate of proposals targeting Oregon's treatment of international income, including NCTI and FDII. The conversation also covers changes to Oregon's transient lodging tax distribution model. Jeff and Nikki close with a discussion of the estate tax threshold debate and the growing trend of creative legislative strategies designed to circumvent Oregon's supermajority requirement for tax increases - a development that may be a concern for the business community.

March 4, 202626 min

2026 Legislative Roundup: State Budgets, Data Center Tax Trends & Digital Tax Developments

In this episode of the GeTtin' SALTy podcast, host Nikki Dobay welcomes back Morgan Scarboro from MultiState Associates for a lively discussion on the hottest topics shaping state and local tax policy in the 2026 legislative sessions.  They take listeners on a round robin tour of key states—Virginia, New York, Illinois, Florida, California, Oregon, and Washington—highlighting budget battles, tax policy rumors, and emerging legislative trends. Major themes include increased scrutiny of data center tax exemptions and their environmental impact, the proliferation of digital advertising and social media tax proposals, and ongoing debates over property tax reform.  The episode wraps with a lighthearted reflection on the Olympics.  Listeners get practical insights into how legislative trends might affect tax professionals and businesses in 2026, along with a preview of what to watch as sessions wind down.

February 17, 202625 min

Premiums, Policy, and Clarity: Navigating Washington's Insurance Tax Debate

In this episode of the GeTtin' SALTy Podcast, host Nikki Dobay is joined by Jim Shea (Senior Vice President and Chief Tax Officer at Prudential) and John Mangan (Vice President and Deputy of State Relations at the American Council of Life Insurers) to break down the complex topic of insurance taxation in Washington State.  They discuss the century-old premium tax system, the impact and importance of insurance company investments in the state, and the legislative challenges posed by recent bills (SB 5949/HB 2487) aimed at clarifying the B&O tax exclusion for insurers subject to the premiums tax.  Listeners will gain insider perspectives on why precise tax language matters, the implications for insurers and consumers, and how the industry is working together with policy makers ensure fair and effective tax policy. Plus, don't miss the lighthearted "surprise non-tax question" that reveals a more personal side of the guests.

February 4, 202631 min

Oregon's 2026 Legislative Session: Transportation Turbulence, Tax Conformity, and What's Next

In this episode of the GeTtin' SALTy podcast, Nikki Dobay welcomes back Jeff Newgard, Executive Director and Principal of Peak Policy, to discuss Oregon's 2026 legislative session.   As lawmakers convene for a fast-paced 35-day session in an election year, Nikki and Jeff break down the political and policy dynamics shaping the state's tax landscape.  They address the ongoing transportation funding issue—including the recent gas tax increase, partisan passage, and looming voter referendum—along with the latest on federal tax conformity debates, Oregon's perennial aversion to sales taxes, and the conversation around estate and wealth taxes.  The episode also touches on local developments in Portland, revenue forecasts, and the pressures facing the legislature in a condensed timeline.  Tune in for insights and a few lighter moments as Nikki and Jeff reflect on Oregon's unique political climate and what it means for taxpayers and businesses in 2026.

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