
A Former Spy Chief on How AI Really Manipulates You
Send us Fan Mail Anthony Vinci — the first CTO of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency and a member of the team behind Project Maven — joins Chris Brandt to talk about how AI and China are rewriting the rules of espionage. We get into why the most powerful manipulation isn't lies but facts, how "LLM grooming" poisons the AI you rely on, the shift from being in the loop to on the loop, and why Vinci argues every citizen now needs to think like an intelligence officer. Plus: his company Vico, which forecasts geopolitical and economic events to help people make better decisions. Anthony's book, The Fourth Intelligence Revolution, is a Financial Times best book of the year — well worth a read: https://amzn.to/4fgJRD7 Guest links: Vico: https://vico.io Anthony Vinci: https://anthonyvinci.com Book (The Fourth Intelligence Revolution): https://amzn.to/4fgJRD7 Referenced in this episode: Zero Day Clock: https://zerodayclock.com/ 00:00 — The best way to manipulate you is with facts 00:32 — Welcome & who is Anthony Vinci 01:20 — Why he wrote The Fourth Intelligence Revolution 03:51 — Why espionage is now in your living room 05:31 — 2016, Facebook, and hacking an election 09:00 — AI vs. Facebook: targeting you as an individual 09:40 — LLM grooming and the Pravda network 10:34 — Disinformation vs. misinformation 13:02 — Why AI manipulation is subtle 14:57 — We've been lying to each other forever 16:20 — Training everyone to think like a spy 18:51 — The cybersecurity parallel 22:41 — RSA, agentic attacks, and AI in security 24:57 — Mythos, zero-days, and weaponized exploits 30:00 — Should powerful models be released in stages? 32:20 — When one person has more power than a nation 36:54 — The morality question for AI founders 39:11 — Surveillance vs. thought control 40:34 — Could we ever elect an AI president? 41:16 — In the loop vs. on the loop 44:22 — Why competitive pressure removes humans from the loop 45:39 — What Vico does 48:39 — Intelligence as war prevention 51:14 — Where to find Anthony & Vico Click Here to Subscribe : FUTR.tv focuses on startups, innovation, culture and the business of emerging tech with weekly podcasts talking with Industry leaders and deep thinkers. Occasionally we share links to products we use. As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases on Amazon.















