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Most business owners will leave their business one day. Few are ready when that day comes. The ExitReadiness® Podcast helps you change that. Hosted by Pat Ennis, CExP™ and Walter Deyhle, CPA, CExP™, CEPA of ENNIS Legacy Partners, each episode features candid conversations with subject-matter experts across M&A, finance, law, leadership, and personal planning — giving you the practical insights you need to build a sellable business and exit on your own terms and conditions. Topics include building transferable value, exit route options, buy-sell agreements, tax planning, business continuity, management development, and what life after the exit actually looks like. Whether you're 10 years out or 10 months out, there's something here for you. Subscribe wherever you listen — and visit exitreadiness.com to take your free ExitReadiness® DIY™ Assessment.

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June 10, 202630 min

Selling in Stealth Mode: How to Market Your Business Without Alerting Customers, Vendors, or Employees Ft. Gregory Kovsky

Most business owners understand the importance of confidentiality during a sale process. What many do not fully appreciate is just how fragile that confidentiality can be once the business is taken to market. A single conversation, unusual document request, or shift in behavior can create concern among employees, uncertainty among customers, and speculation among vendors or competitors. And once uncertainty enters the picture, business value can begin eroding long before a transaction ever closes. In this episode, Greg Kovsky joins Pat Ennis and Walter Deyhle to discuss how business owners can explore a sale while protecting the relationships and stability that make their company valuable in the first place. Drawing on more than three decades of M&A experience and over 300 completed transactions, Greg shares practical insights into confidentiality, buyer screening, information control, and the realities of taking a business to market without creating unnecessary disruption. Whether you're considering a sale in the near future or simply want to understand how the process works, this conversation provides valuable perspective on preserving trust, protecting value, and maintaining leverage throughout the transaction process. In This Episode, We Discuss:What "selling in stealth mode" actually means in practiceWhy confidentiality is critical to preserving business valueCommon mistakes that unintentionally expose a sale processHow experienced advisors screen potential buyersThe role and limitations of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs)When employees, customers, and vendors should be informedHow to protect key relationships during due diligenceWhat a well-managed confidential sale process looks likePractical advice for owners considering a future saleGuest Gregory KovskyPresident & CEO, International Business Associates (IBA) Greg is President & CEO of International Business Associates, the Pacific Northwest's oldest and largest business brokerage firm. With more than 30 years of experience as an M&A intermediary, he has facilitated over 300 transactions involving privately held companies and family businesses across multiple industries, typically ranging from $1 million to $30 million in enterprise value. He is also a published author, seminar speaker, and advocate for entrepreneurship. Connect with Greg (Insert website and contact information) ───────────────────────────────────────── Trying to build your exit plan yourself? ExitReadiness® DIY™ provides a proven framework, AI-powered tools, assessments, and practical guidance to help you increase business value, prepare for a future transition, and make more informed decisions. When you need additional expertise, credentialed exit planning professionals are available to help you navigate the issues that matter most. Check it out at exitreadiness.com.Conversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

May 21, 202631 min

Three Actions to Become Less Central to Your Business Ft. Laurie Barkman

Most business owners know their company depends heavily on them. Fewer understand how much that dependency impacts transferable value, scalability, leadership continuity, and long-term optionality. In this episode, Laurie Barkman joins Pat Ennis and Walter Deyhle to discuss three practical actions owners can begin taking now to reduce owner dependency and build businesses that are more scalable, transferable, and valuable. The conversation focuses on the tension many founders experience: building something successful while unintentionally remaining at the center of every important decision. A business that cannot function without the owner may still produce strong income—but it becomes significantly harder to transfer, sell, or scale with confidence. This episode explores how owners can begin stepping back intentionally while strengthening the business at the same time. In this episode, we cover:Why owner dependency reduces transferable business valueThe hidden risks of being central to every decision and relationshipHow leadership teams gain confidence and accountabilityPractical ways to create operational independenceWhy scalable businesses create greater freedom and optionality for ownersThe connection between self-sustaining companies and stronger exit outcomesGuest: Laurie Barkman — Growth Strategist, Certified Exit Planner, M&A Advisor, Author, and Founder of The Business Transition Sherpa® Laurie helps engineering, architecture, and design services firm owners build scalable, self-running businesses that create more time, freedom, and long-term value. She is the author of The Business Transition Handbook and host of the award-winning Succession Stories podcast. Connect with Laurie:Website: Laurie Barkman WebsiteBook: The Business Transition HandbookSuccessor Assessment: Successor Assessment SurveyLinkedIn: Laurie Barkman on LinkedInYouTube: Laurie Barkman YouTube Channel ─────────────────────────────────────────Ready to assess your own exit readiness? Take the free ExitReadiness® DIY™ Assessment at ExitReadiness® DIY™ Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ENNIS Legacy Partners Connect with Pat: Pat Ennis LinkedIn Connect with Walter: Walter Deyhle LinkedIn───────────────────────────────────────── DISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.Conversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

May 14, 202629 min

How AI Impacts What Your Business is Worth Ft. Janet Waring

AI is quickly moving beyond experimentation and becoming part of how buyers evaluate operational maturity, scalability, and future growth potential. But not every use of AI increases business value. In many cases, owners are implementing tools without a clear strategy, measurable impact, or understanding of what sophisticated buyers are actually looking for. In this episode, Janet Waring, CEO of ArtForm Agency, joins Pat Ennis and Corby Megorden to discuss how AI is beginning to influence valuation conversations—from operational efficiency and market intelligence to scalability and decision-making. The conversation focuses on practical application rather than hype, helping owners think more strategically about where AI fits within long-term value creation and exit planning. This discussion is particularly relevant for owners trying to determine whether AI is simply a productivity tool—or an emerging factor in how businesses are evaluated, differentiated, and ultimately valued. **In this episode, we cover:** * What separates meaningful AI implementation from experimentation * How buyers and private equity groups may evaluate AI capabilities * Where AI can improve operational scalability and efficiency * Risks associated with fragmented or poorly integrated AI adoption * Practical starting points for owners planning an exit within the next few years * Why thoughtful AI strategy may increasingly influence transferable value Guest: Janet Waring, Co-Founder & CEO, ArtForm Agency ArtForm Agency combines strategy, creativity, and data science to help organizations scale through AI enablement, market intelligence, and performance-driven marketing strategies. Janet brings more than 25 years of experience in business development, audience research, positioning, and data-driven growth strategy. Connect with Janet: artformagency.com ─────────────────────────────────────────Ready to assess your own exit readiness? Take the free ExitReadiness® DIY™ Assessment at exitreadiness.com Learn more about working with Pat and Walter: ennislp.com You can also access free exit-related assessments and educational resources at ennislp.com. ───────────────────────────────────────── Conversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

May 1, 202641 min

The Role AI Can Play in Sensitive Partner Negotiations Ft. David Gage

Business partnerships are at the center of many of the most complex exit planning decisions an owner will face — whether navigating a sale to key employees, a family transfer, or simply trying to keep a co-ownership relationship healthy enough to survive a transition. AI can help organize information, surface patterns, and even simulate dialogue. But when it comes to the deeply personal, relational, and often emotionally charged work of partner negotiations, there are limits to what technology can do alone. David Gage, Ph.D. — clinical psychologist, mediator, founder of BMC Associates, and creator of The Partnership Charter — rejoins Pat and Walter for this episode in the AI & Exit Planning Series to explore exactly where AI can add genuine value in sensitive partner discussions, and where the irreplaceable judgment of a trained human professional is essential. A conversation that is both timely and practically useful for any business owner navigating co-ownership complexity on the road to exit.Guest: David Gage, Ph.D. — Founder, BMC Associates | Author, The Partnership Charter | Founder, The Partnership Charter Institute Connect with David: bmcassociates.com Learn more about our ExitReadiness® DIY™ platform at exitreadiness.com.DISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation. Two things to confirm before publishing: air date and duration. Also worth noting — this is a returning guest and an alliance partner, so you may want to reference the Partnership Charter platform subscription your firm uses in the show notes or episode description if you haven't already done so in prior David Gage episodes.Conversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

April 23, 202636 min

NEXT ACT Series: Life After the Business Ft. David Young

The statistics are sobering: 75% of business owners report being unhappy within one year of exiting their business. For owners who have spent decades finding purpose, identity, and meaning in their work — serving employees, customers, and their communities — the transition out can feel like a loss that no financial plan anticipated. This episode is part of the ExitReadiness® NEXT ACT Series, a dedicated series on planning for life after the business. David Young, Founder and Managing Member of David K. Young Consulting, LLC, brings more than five decades of business leadership and over 40 years in employee benefits and retirement planning to this deeply personal conversation. A Certified Employee Benefit Specialist (CEBS) through the Wharton School and IFEBP, and a Texas-based nationally recognized retirement plan consultant, David also brings a rich life outside of work — including Civil Air Patrol leadership and humanitarian aviation serving veterans and underserved communities near the Texas-Mexico border.He is precisely the kind of guest who can speak authentically to what a purposeful next act looks like, and how to begin building it before you exit. Pat and Joe Markovitch explore with David what owners need to think about — and do — now, so that the business exit they've worked toward becomes the launching pad for a fulfilling chapter, not a loss they weren't prepared for.Guest: David Young, MPA, CEBS — Founder & Managing Member, David K. Young Consulting, LLC Connect with David: dkyoung.comConversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Conversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

April 16, 202635 min

The Benefits of an ESOP in a Family Business Ft. Kelly Finnell

For many family business owners, the succession question is more complicated than it looks — especially when some family members want to stay involved, others don't, or there's simply no heir apparent willing or able to take the reins. An Employee Stock Ownership Plan can bring remarkable clarity to exactly these situations. Kelly O. Finnell, J.D., CLU, AIF®, President of EFS ESOP Consultants and one of the nation's foremost ESOP authorities, joins Pat, Walter, and Corby to explore how ESOPs can serve as a powerful and often underutilized tool in family business succession planning. With more than 40 years helping business owners design and execute ESOPs — and author of the preeminent guide The ESOP Coach: Using ESOPs in Ownership Succession Planning — Kelly brings unmatched depth to this conversation. He covers the general parameters for when an ESOP makes sense, the specific benefits in a family business context, how ESOPs can minimize taxes while maximizing shareholder legacy, and why owners with no clear successor should be looking hard at this option.Conversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

April 1, 202633 min

A Tax Smart Exit Ft. Ed Cotney

Most owners focus on growing value but give far less attention to how that value will ultimately be taxed. The result is often a successful sale that delivers far less than expected. In this episode, tax attorney Ed Cotney joins Pat and Walter to walk through how thoughtful tax planning changes outcomes—not just at closing, but years in advance. This conversation brings clarity to where tax strategy should begin, how deal structure influences net proceeds, and why waiting too long limits your options. In this episode, we cover:Why tax planning is a pre-sale strategy, not a year-of-sale exerciseCommon structural mistakes that reduce after-tax proceedsHow different exit paths (sale, ESOP, transfer) impact tax outcomesWhat owners should be doing now to preserve flexibility laterGuest: Ed Cotney, Tax AttorneyConnect with guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-cotney-14552412/ Conversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

March 12, 202634 min

A Successful ESOP Story Ft. Tim Rettig

ESOPs are often discussed in theory, but far less often understood through lived experience. In this episode, Tim Rettig shares what it actually looks like to transition a business to employee ownership—and what it requires from the owner before, during, and after the transaction. This conversation highlights the alignment between values, legacy, and structure, while also addressing the operational and financial realities that make an ESOP work. In this episode, we cover:What makes a company a strong ESOP candidateThe cultural and leadership implications of employee ownershipTradeoffs between ESOPs and third-party salesLessons learned from completing and living through the transitionConnect with guest Tim Retting: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timrettig/“We want you to help you build a business that is sellable and exit successfully on your own terms and conditions.” - Pat EnnisConversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

February 26, 202631 min

Due Diligence in M&A Transactions: Why First-Time Buyers Should Avoid Analysis Paralysis Ft. Michael Mercurio

Buying a business for the first time is exciting — and overwhelming. The due diligence process can trigger analysis paralysis that kills deals that should close. In this episode, M&A attorney Michael Mercurio of Offit Kurman joins Pat and Walter to walk through what due diligence actually looks like from both sides of the table, what first-time buyers consistently get wrong, and how to stay focused on the risks that truly matter without getting lost in the ones that don't.Guest: Michael N. Mercurio, Esq., Principal and Chair, Business Law & Transactions Practice Group, Offit KurmanConnect with guest: offitkurman.com/michael-mercurio“We want you to help you build a business that is sellable and exit successfully on your own terms and conditions.” - Pat EnnisConversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.

February 19, 202628 min

What Does a Fractional EOS Integrator Do? Ft. Dave Lokos

If you're running on EOS® but struggling to execute, you may be missing the Integrator role — the person who translates the Visionary's vision into traction. Dave Lokos, CEPA, CBEC of ExitWell Advisors joins Pat and Walter to explain what a Fractional EOS Integrator actually does, how it differs from an EOS Implementer, and why getting this role right has a direct impact on the transferable value of your business.Guest: Dave Lokos, CEPA, CBEC, ExitWell AdvisorsConnect with guest: linkedin.com/in/davelokos/“We want you to help you build a business that is sellable and exit successfully on your own terms and conditions.” - Pat EnnisConversations that move you closer to a regret-proof exit. Subscribe To The Channel By Clicking HERE!Learn more about working with Pat and Walter at ennislp.com Connect with Pat: linkedin.com/in/pat-ennis-25b4a111/Connect with Walter: linkedin.com/in/walter-deyhle-cpa-abv-cff-maff-cexp-cepa-57386614/#PatEnnis #WalterDeyhle #ExitReadinessDISCLAIMER: The information in this presentation is provided as education only. Neither the presenter nor ENNIS Legacy Partners is engaged to render legal, accounting, or other professional services. Consult a qualified professional for advice specific to your situation. ENNIS Legacy Partners assumes no legal liability for any loss related to information contained in this presentation.