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Customer First Thinking

Customer First Thinking

Hosted by Stephen Shaw

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Episodes

64

Latest episode

Jun 2026

Language

EN

About the show

Businesses everywhere are struggling with change due to digital disruption. They are now at an inflection point: give up obsolete marketing practices, or risk being denied a meaningful role in the lives of people. The goal is no longer to amplify the voice of the brand – it is to serve the needs and interests of customers at every stage of the relationship lifecycle. This new marketing model is characterized by the strategic embrace of Customer First Thinking, where the emphasis is on delivering a more unified experience for customers. More than simply a platitude, this idea has evolved into a set of governing principles that can transform the corporate role of marketing from brand messenger to customer advocate.

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June 1, 2026Episode 641 hr 0 min

The One-to-One Future Is Here (Almost): An Interview with Jim Sterne, President, Target Marketing

AI is paving the way for marketing to finally usher in an era of true one-to-one marketing. As the technology evolves, it should free up marketers to give greater creative thought to making customers happy, believes Jim Sterne, who has helped steer marketers through successive waves of innovation ever since the advent of the worldwide web.

May 20, 2026Episode 641 hr 2 min

Beyond Rewards: An Interview with Zsuzsa Kecsmar, Co-founder and Chief Strategy Officer at Antavo AI Loyalty Cloud.

The old "give-to-get" loyalty model has grown stale. Loyalty fatigue has set in, as members tire of programs that all look the same. To break out of this sameness trap, loyalty programs need to go beyond rewards and offer members greater value to stay engaged, according to the latest edition of the Antavo Global Loyalty Report.

April 14, 2026Episode 621 hr 4 min

Leading with CX: An Interview with Tom DeWitt, Founder and Executive Director of the XMGlobal Collaborative

Too many companies today still think that improving CX is all about fixing what's broken. But for CX to make a meaningful difference in the health and success of a business, management should strive to make the everyday lives of customers better. That's why the concept of "Helpfulness" should be adopted as a core enterprise operating principle, says CX pioneer Tom DeWitt.

March 11, 2026Episode 611 hr 2 min

The Loyalty Puzzle: An Interview with Dr. Yuping Liu-Thompkins, Founder, Loyalty Science Lab

Despite a massive body of loyalty research over the years, there are still many unsolved puzzles, according to top researcher Dr. Yuping Liu-Thompkins, whose Loyalty Science Lab is dedicated to helping marketers find the answers they need.

February 19, 2026Episode 601 hr 2 min

Fixing CX: An Interview with Michael Lowenstein, Founding Principal, The Linkage Group

Most companies today still give lip service to the idea of putting customers first. They resist making the transformational changes required to truly improve CX quality. Until they are willing to become more stakeholder centric, argues renowned CX expert Michael Lowenstein, they will struggle to win greater customer trust.

January 15, 2026Episode 591 hr 3 min

Humanizing the Customer Relationship: An Interview with Christina Garnett, CX Evangelist and "Pocket CCO"

Brands still operate today as though media coverage and reach are all that matter, even as customers make every effort to evade their messaging. A new playbook is needed, according to CX expert Christina Garnett, which fosters communal spaces called "brandoms" where relationship building and brand building intersect.

November 29, 2025Episode 581 hr 0 min

Digital Campfires: An Interview with Sara Wilson, Founder and Principal, SW Projects

Suffering from social fatigue, people are increasingly turning to private spaces online where they are free to be more themselves. Community marketing expert Sara Wilson calls them "digital campfires" where brands are shut out of the conversation.

October 30, 2025Episode 571 hr 1 min

Why New Products Fail: An Interview with Tony Ulwick, Founder and CEO, Strategyn

For most companies new product innovation is a game of chance, resulting in many more misses than hits. The reason, according to innovation expert Tony Ulwick, is that they don't take the time to figure out what customers actually need.

October 3, 2025Episode 561 hr 6 min

The Power of Points: An Interview with Richard Schenker, Founder, Loyal Strategy Consulting

Loyalty points programs are more popular than ever. The problem is they lead to transactional relationships where customers are more loyal to the program than the brand. To build true loyalty, advises loyalty expert Richard Schenker, companies must encourage ongoing engagement beyond point collection and redemption.

September 11, 2025Episode 551 hr 2 min

Frictionless Growth: An Interview with Ryan Hamilton, Associate Professor of Marketing at Emory University, Goizueta Business School

Rapid brand growth can sometimes lead to incompatibility between new and existing customer segments due to differing needs and expectations. Brand managers can minimize the possibility of segment conflict by anticipating and then carefully managing the relationship between them, according to leading marketing academic Ryan Hamilton.

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