
184 - Pushing through is not resilience, with Julian Roberts
What does resilience really look like? I meet many professionals today who are navigating wave after wave of change: Reorganisations, shifting priorities, business uncertainty, technological disruption and growing pressure to do more with less have become familiar features of organisational life. Yet while resilience is frequently talked about, it is often misunderstood. In this conversation with Julian Roberts, executive coach, author and host of the Helping Organisations Thrive podcast, we explore what resilience really means for leaders and teams operating in increasingly fragmented environments. After a 20-year career in senior roles at global organisations including Heinz, Yoplait and Johnson & Johnson, Julian founded Julian Roberts Consulting, specialising in helping leaders and teams thrive under pressure. He is the creator of the Team Resilience Diagnostic Tool and author of Weathering the Storm: A Guide to Building Resilient Teams. Together, we discuss why resilience is not about simply pushing through adversity, why 'grit' can sometimes become counterproductive, and how leaders can create the conditions for individuals and teams to navigate uncertainty more effectively. At the heart of this conversation is an important shift in perspective. Resilience is not a fixed trait that some people possess and others lack. It is a capability that can be developed, strengthened and intentionally cultivated, both individually and collectively. What you will learn in this episode: Why uncertainty and constant change are creating new leadership challenges for teams The difference between healthy resilience and what Julian describes as 'toxic resilience' Why resilience is not about simply working harder or pushing through difficulty Practical habits that help strengthen personal resilience, including gratitude, mindfulness and community How leaders can create greater resilience through purpose, meaning and clarity Why understanding the psychology of change helps leaders support people more effectively How diversity of thought strengthens a team's ability to navigate uncertainty and solve complex problems Why healthy challenge and critical thinking are essential leadership capabilities in today's workplace One of the strongest themes throughout this conversation is that resilience is not about individual toughness. Many organisations focus on helping individuals become more resilient, but resilient teams are created through something different. Purpose, trust, psychological safety, challenge, diverse perspectives and strong relationships all play a role in helping teams perform well under pressure. Ultimately, resilience is not about avoiding storms, it is about developing the capability to navigate them with greater clarity, adaptability and confidence. When faced with uncertainty, do you tend to push through harder, or create space to learn, reflect and adapt? What practices could help you strengthen your own resilience and support the resilience of those around you? Resources: Connect with Julian Roberts on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/julesroberts/ Learn more about Julian's book, 'Weathering the Storm': https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0DFTYN2Y2 Listen to Julian Roberts' podcast: https://www.julianrobertsconsulting.com/podcast-1 Find out more about Victoria's leadership and Cultural Intelligence programmes: https://culturecuppa.com/individuals/ Learn more about and buy Victoria's book, Become a Global Leader: https://culturecuppa.com/book/ Follow Victoria on LinkedIn for more strategies, ideas and inspiration:https://www.linkedin.com/in/victoria-rennoldson













