Crushing Club Marketing is a podcast for progressive private club leaders ready to increase their revenue and create long term change for their club. We discuss topics pertaining to leadership, digital marketing strategies and long term planning to create sustained club growth.
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April 23, 2026Episode 348 min
How Private Clubs Can Deliver Member Experiences Like Disney
In this episode of Crushing Club Marketing, Ed Heil sits with a 30-year Disney executive, Barry Jacobson, to discuss his extensive experience at Disney and private clubs. The conversation focuses on what it takes to create exceptional guest and member experiences through culture, standards, and leadership. Watch to learn how your club can elevate service quality, build community, and foster a passionate team to deliver memorable moments. Summary: 00:00 Introduction to Barry Jacobson's Career Journey 02:56 The Disney Experience: Creating Magical Moments 05:51 Private Club Management: A Personalized Approach 08:52 Hiring and Onboarding: The Disney Way 11:50 Attention to Detail: Standards and Behaviors 14:55 Core Values and Team Dynamics 20:04 Transitioning Club Culture: Listening and Learning 22:42 The Importance of Leadership in Experience Management 24:09 People, Purpose, and Profit: The Disney Philosophy 27:11 Hiring for Fit: The Role of Assessments 30:28 Consistency and Quality in Service 32:47 Adapting to Generational Shifts in Club Membership 39:58 Creating a Sense of Community in Clubs 42:35 Building a Positive Work Environment for Staff
March 19, 2026Episode 243 min
Why Private Club Culture Starts and Ends With the GM
Episode Description: Gregg Patterson has been studying private club culture since 1974. What he's found is that the generational divide everyone worries about is mostly a story clubs tell themselves. In this episode, Ed sits down with Patterson, longtime general manager of The Beach Club in Santa Monica and founder of Tribal Magic, to dig into what actually holds a club together across generations. They cover the real purpose of a rigorous admissions process, why board education starts years before anyone gets appointed, and how a general manager functions less as an operator and more as an institutional compass. Key Moments: 3:16 Why the Generational Divide Is Overstated 6:17 Tribal Magic and the Role of Admissions 7:58 What a Rigorous Process Is Actually Screening For 13:20 The GM as Educator and Influencer 16:35 Smelling the Future: Board Culture and Governance 23:17 How to Develop Board Members Before They Serve 32:41 Repairing Culture After the Pandemic Membership Rush 36:43 Building the Right Team Around Your Gaps
February 25, 2026Episode 145 min
Behind the Scenes of The Olympic Club Video: What Makes it so Good?
Producing a video for one of the most historic clubs in the country is one thing. Producing one that actually does it justice is another. In this episode, Ed sits down with StoryTeller's Creative Director Steve Mulholland to revisit the brand anthem video they produced for The Olympic Club in San Francisco. Three days of filming. Two very different locations. A club with more than a century of history. And a bar that was, by everyone's admission, set pretty high. Steve walks through how the project came together, from the planning decisions that shaped the shoot to the choices that made the final piece memorable. They talk about why messaging comes before cameras, what smart interview subject selection actually looks like, and how the first 15 seconds of a video can either earn a viewer's attention or lose it. Key Moments: 00:00 Introduction to the Olympic Club Video Project 02:57 The Scope and Planning of the Production 06:13 Crafting the Messaging and Storytelling 08:59 Interview Selection and Participant Dynamics 11:57 Cinematic Techniques and Visual Storytelling 18:57 The Role of Music in Video Production 28:07 Memorable Elements of the Olympic Club Video
February 4, 2026Episode 5945 min
What Your Club's Tech Stack Is Missing and Why It Matters
In this episode, Pat Damer, SVP of Revenue at Arcis Golf (70 properties, $1B portfolio), shares with Ed Heil how his company transformed from managing 3 clubs to 70 by prioritizing revenue operations, smart technology adoption, and member-first service. From sticky note CRMs to enterprise automation, Pat walks through the practical evolution of club operations and why revenue growth creates better member experiences. This conversation cuts through the usual tech-versus-tradition debate with clear examples of how automation enhances, not replaces, exceptional service. If you're managing one club or scaling multiple properties, Pat's perspective on starting small, getting quick wins, and choosing the right tools will give you a practical path forward. Episode Highlights: 01:23 – The rocket ship years: Growing from 3 clubs to 70 properties 04:18 – Investment philosophy: Why deferred maintenance and member experience both matter 06:19 – The "declare your major" conversation that shaped Pat's revenue-first approach 08:39 – Why revenue fixes more problems than cost-cutting 09:18 – Operational software vs. experience software: Understanding the distinction 14:42 – The HubSpot pivot: Moving from Salesforce to an integrated CRM platform 22:30 – Lead generation reality check: Why most clubs don't need traditional pipeline management 26:04 – Member journey automation: Pre-arrival, birthdays, and personalized communication 31:40 – The integration challenge: Why siloed systems create operational friction 37:46 – Technology and exceptional service aren't mutually exclusive 40:34 – First steps for club leaders: Start small, get quick wins, build buy-in
January 21, 2026Episode 5844 min
Why Board Transitions Break Good Clubs (And How to Fix It)
Episode Summary: In this episode, Ed sits down with Tom Wallace of Kopplin, Kuebler & Wallace to unpack why governance often breaks down during leadership transitions at private clubs. Drawing from his experience facilitating hundreds of board retreats, Tom shares a clear benchmark: only about 25% of clubs have governance truly dialed in. The conversation explores stewardship versus short-term decision-making, the importance of structure over personality, and how written systems, succession planning, and member communication protect a club's mission, vision, and values. It's a grounded, practical discussion on how strong governance is built intentionally and sustained over time. Key Moments: *]:pointer-events-auto [content-visibility:auto] supports-[content-visibility:auto]:[contain-intrinsic-size:auto_100lvh] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "96be3759-520c-432d-b7ad-d6b56181bb53" data-testid= "conversation-turn-6" data-scroll-anchor="false" data-turn= "assistant"> Why only a quarter of clubs are truly prepared Tom explains how clubs tend to fall into three groups: those with governance fully structured, those actively working toward it, and those stuck in a cycle of dysfunction where each new president resets priorities. Stewardship over "leaving a mark" The conversation highlights how strong presidents think like stewards, focused on long-term health rather than personal projects or visible wins during their term. A leadership lesson from Arnold Palmer Tom shares a story from his time at Oakmont that shaped his philosophy on leadership: clubs existed long before any one leader and will continue long after, making long-term thinking essential. When governance goes wrong, it shows up physically An example of a clubhouse filled with rooms named after past presidents illustrates what happens when guardrails are missing and decisions are made in isolation. The intersection of member culture and staff culture Tom explains that the strongest clubs are built where member culture and team culture align, and why governance plays a critical role in keeping those cultures connected. Early warning signs of governance drift Ignoring data, lacking a strategic plan, or focusing on short-term issues are all indicators that governance may be quietly eroding before problems surface publicly. Why structure protects everyone From strategic business plans to board policy manuals and orientations, Tom outlines the written systems that stabilize clubs through leadership transitions. "If it's not written down, it doesn't exist" A Ritz-Carlton principle reinforces why documentation and clarity are essential, not bureaucratic, in complex organizations like private clubs. Governance as guardrails, not handcuffs Tom compares good governance to bumper bowling: it doesn't guarantee perfect outcomes, but it prevents leaders from sending the club off course. How to spot a strategic board What boards talk about matters. Strategy, capital planning, and long-term direction signal health; operational minutiae signal trouble. Succession planning as a leadership responsibility Strong clubs know who their future presidents are well before transitions happen, creating continuity rather than disruption. Committees as the leadership pipeline Tom explains why committees should serve as the proving ground for future board members, with performance and collaboration guiding recruitment. Younger members and the owner mindset The episode explores how clubs must intentionally teach stewardship and volunteer expectations during member onboarding to avoid transactional relationships. Why board retreats accelerate alignment Tom closes by sharing how retreats create self-awareness, clarity, and a realistic multi-year roadmap, reinforcing that good governance is a process, not a one-time fix.
October 20, 2025Episode 5645 min
Private Club Leadership is Changing: A Conversation with Joel Livingood
The role of the General Manager is evolving — and so are the expectations of private club leadership. In this episode, Ed Heil sits down with Joel Livingood, General Manager and COO of Interlachen Country Club, to unpack how mission, culture, and governance are redefining what it means to lead a modern club. Joel shares how Interlachen turned alignment into its greatest strength — guiding nearly a decade of growth, investment, and transformation. From establishing clear governance with the board to building a culture of empowerment among 400 team members, his approach offers a blueprint for sustainable leadership in today's complex club environment. Summary: 00:00 Introduction and Overview of Interlachen's Transformation Ed and Joel discuss Interlachen's decade of change, from major renovations to family-focused investments and restored golf facilities. 03:45 Finding Direction After 2008 Joel explains how recovery began with defining the club's mission and values — the foundation for every decision that followed. 06:45 Balancing Heritage and Progress How Interlachen honored its legacy while adapting to the expectations of modern members. 09:20 Turning Mission into Action The club's mission to "enrich members' lives through outstanding championship golf and family experiences" becomes the guide for culture and operations. 12:30 Embedding Values Across the Club Tradition, excellence, innovation, and stewardship influence hiring, culture, and communication. 15:10 Building the Interlachen Brand Joel discusses intentional storytelling, brand consistency, and how the club communicates its values internally and externally. 18:30 Leading a 400+ Person Team The power of showing up, removing roadblocks, and building a workplace rooted in purpose and growth. 21:10 Empathy as a Leadership Skill Why understanding team members' lives beyond work has strengthened culture and retention. 24:50 Governance and Board Alignment How defining roles between board and management turned governance into a strategic advantage. 28:00 Accountability and Trust Why results, transparency, and shared goals have built long-term trust at Interlachen. 31:15 High Standards, Honest Expectations Setting clear expectations for excellence without shying away from the difficulty of achieving it. 34:10 Managing Board Involvement and Feedback Joel's three strategies for addressing operational overreach and maintaining collaboration. 37:10 The Evolving Role of the GM How today's leaders balance visibility, focus, and flexibility in an increasingly complex club world. 40:10 Advice for Emerging Leaders Joel's three essentials: work hard, stay positive, and adapt quickly. 42:10 Why Business Fundamentals Still Matter Joel explains why today's club leaders must think like business operators and treat experience as the product.
August 20, 2025Episode 5546 min
Inside the Mid-Year Golf Life Navigators Report: Trends Shaping Private Clubs
In this episode, Ed Heil and Jason Becker discuss the insights from the Golf Life Navigators mid-year report, focusing on trends in private club memberships, generational shifts, and the integration of real estate with golf communities. They explore the importance of understanding consumer preferences, the impact of service-based amenities, and the financial health of clubs in a changing market. Summary: 00:00 Introduction and Background on Golf Life Navigators 02:59 Understanding the Mid-Year Report and Its Importance 06:01 Generational Trends in Private Club Membership 09:01 Transition Times and Market Dynamics 11:59 Demographics of Golf Life Navigators Users 14:59 Real Estate Integration with Private Clubs 17:55 Shifts in Preferences for Gated Communities 21:02 Lifestyle Amenities and Member Preferences 23:58 The Role of On-Site Brokers 27:00 Trends in Food, Beverage, and Health Amenities 30:00 Golf-Specific Trends and Member Interests 32:55 The Importance of Clubs Within Clubs 35:48 Future Trends and Service-Based Amenities 38:52 Financial Health of Clubs and Membership Models
August 5, 2025Episode 5439 min
The Culture Conversation Club Leaders Can't Ignore: Why Your Staff Should Shape Your Strategy
Private clubs are no longer just competing with each other for talent—they're competing with every employer offering a flexible, supportive work environment. In this episode, Ed Heil talks with Meridith Picarelli-Khattar, Certified Club Manager and Certified Chief Executive, about what it really takes to build a team that delivers exceptional member experiences. Drawing from over 20 years in club leadership, Meridith shares why investing in people-first policies like parental leave, flexible scheduling, and employee development is no longer optional—it's essential. If your club is thinking about how to retain top talent while staying true to its values, this episode offers practical, thoughtful guidance you won't want to miss.
June 11, 2025Episode 5346 min
What Private Club Leaders Need to Know Before Producing a Club Video
In this conversation, Ed Heil and Steve Mulholland discuss the intricacies of video production, emphasizing the importance of storytelling and understanding the audience's needs. They explore how to capture the essence of a club through various filming techniques, including documentary styles and the use of drones. The discussion also covers the significance of finding the right voices for interviews and mastering the art of conducting them effectively. In this conversation, Ed Heil and Steve Mulholland delve into the intricacies of video production, focusing on the art of cinematography, the emotional impact of storytelling in sports, the crucial role of music, and the importance of editing. They share insights on how to effectively capture compelling visuals, the significance of sound in enhancing viewer experience, and the challenges of editing to create a cohesive narrative. The discussion also touches on practical advice for aspiring producers, emphasizing the need for collaboration and clarity in messaging. 00:00: The Importance of Story in Video Production 05:52: Capturing the Essence of Your Club 12:05: Finding the Right Voices for Your Message 18:02: The Role of B-Roll and Aerial Shots 24:23: The Art of Cinematography 30:30: The Role of Music in Video Production 37:17: Editing: The Heart of Storytelling
May 21, 2025Episode 5257 min
The State of Private Club Governance: Survey Findings and Solutions
Private clubs often pride themselves on tradition—but without strong governance, even the most respected institutions can find themselves unprepared for what's ahead. In this data-driven conversation, Ed Heil talks with Joseph Abely, Executive Consultant at Club Benchmarking and lead author of the Club Benchmarking 2025 Governance Report. Rather than offering surface-level advice, Joe draws on insights from over 400 clubs to reveal what actually moves the needle: board education, succession planning, and long-term strategic thinking. The findings are clear—clubs that prioritize these elements don't just function more smoothly; they outperform their peers financially and operationally. If your board meetings are focused on operational fixes instead of future vision, this episode is your wake-up call.
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