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Comp and Coffee is a podcast by Payscale where we explore the art and science of compensation management. Grab a cup of coffee, settle in, and join us for conversations on pay and performance—packed with insights, practical tips, and strategies to help you stay ahead in a rapidly evolving world of work.

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August 9, 202630 min

Aligning talent acquisition and compensation when jobs keep changing

Jobs aren't changing once every few years anymore. They're evolving constantly.  Skills are shifting, AI is reshaping roles, and organizations are redefining jobs faster than traditional job architectures can keep up. At the same time, Talent Acquisition and Compensation teams often evaluate talent through different lenses. Recruiters are responding to hiring realities and candidate expectations, while Compensation is balancing market data, internal equity, and long-term pay strategy.  In this episode, we explore how these two functions can stop speaking different languages and start working from the same playbook. We'll discuss what alignment looks like in practice, how organizations can create a shared understanding of talent and market value, and why stronger collaboration leads to better hiring decisions and more sustainable compensation strategies.     Host:  Ruth Thomas – Chief Compensation Strategist, Payscale     Guests:   Danielle DuBois – Director of Global Rewards, HR Technology, HR Operations & Talent Acquisition, American Dairy Queen Corporation   Michelle Antonsen – Talent Acquisition Leader, American Dairy Queen Corporation   Join us for our upcoming live events to get your questions answered in real time by compensation experts and earn HRCI and SHRM recertification credits: https://www.payscale.com/events

July 13, 202632 min

You don't have to be on a compensation island all by yourself

Compensation has never been more visible, more complex, or more connected to business outcomes. Yet many HR and compensation teams are expected to manage pay transparency, market movement, budget planning, manager enablement, and executive expectations with limited resources and little specialized support. In this episode, we explore why compensation expertise has become one of the most valuable resources organizations can access and how strategic partnerships can help HR leaders move beyond administration and become more influential business advisors. Guests: • Jenny Walling – Senior Manager, Comp services and benchmarking • Kim O’Grady – Compensation Supervisor at Designer Brands Learn more about Payscale Services: https://www.payscale.com/products/services

July 13, 202657 min

Why your top performers may be a flight risk

Flight risk is rarely loud. Most of the time, it shows up quietly in compensation data long before it shows up in resignation letters. Across organizations, roles, and levels, the same pattern is emerging: the market is moving faster than internal pay structures. New hires are coming in at higher rates than tenured employees in similar roles. Certain jobs are consistently priced higher externally than they are internally. And top performers are paying attention. This creates a different kind of retention challenge. Employees don’t need to be disengaged to start looking elsewhere. They just need to recognize that the market value of their role has already lifted off. Amy Stewart from Payscale and Kelly Voss from Korn Ferry explore what compensation data is revealing about where organizations are most exposed, and how those signals show up before talent leaves. You will learn: Where pay gaps between new hires and tenured employees are creating hidden flight risk   Which roles and levels are most exposed to external market pressure   How compensation leaders can spot early warning signals in their own structure Check out the full report here: https://www.payscale.com/featured-content/flight-risk-report

June 22, 202646 min

Compensation in the age of AI: Innovation, governance, and trust

Compensation professionals are no longer asking whether AI will change their work—they're asking how, where, and how fast. Teams are experimenting with tools like Claude, Copilot, and ChatGPT to help analyze data, draft communications, support pay decisions, and streamline compensation processes. Vendors are rolling out AI features and workflows in their products. At the same time, leaders are navigating legitimate questions about data privacy, governance, accuracy, and trust. Some see AI as the next major transformation in compensation management. Others worry we're moving faster than our ability to validate the outputs these tools produce. The reality is probably somewhere in between. In this episode of Comp and Coffee, Ruth Thomas is joined by Paul Reiman, Founder and Managing Partner at Novo Insights, and Giac Soliman, Founder of Range and former Head of Compensation, to explore how AI is reshaping compensation—and what leaders should do next. Resources: The comp pro’s definitive guide to AI - https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/ai-compensation-management-guide Connect with Giac on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gsman/?skipRedirect=true Connect with Paul on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulreiman/ Connect with Ruth on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ruththomas1/ Email: coffee@payscale.com for listener questions and suggestions

June 16, 202639 min

EU pay transparency directive debrief: The deadline has passed. Now what?

For the last three years, organizations across Europe have been preparing for the biggest shift in pay transparency and pay equity regulation in a generation. The EU Pay Transparency Directive promised to reshape how employers think about compensation — from pay structures and job architecture to reporting obligations and how employees access pay information. Now, the transposition deadline has arrived. And the picture is... complicated. Some countries met the deadline. Many didn't. What's emerged is a patchwork of requirements across member states — some with finalized legislation, others still working through it. Employers are left interpreting new guidance, confronting practical challenges around job evaluation, data governance, and pay reporting, and figuring out how to communicate all of this to their workforce. So what should employers actually be doing right now? We've brought together an expert panel today to cut through the noise. In this episode of Comp and Coffee, Ruth Thomas is joined by pay transparency experts Vicky Peakman, Founder of Fair Pay Partners, David Lorimer – Partner, Lewis Silkin, and Tom Heys, Pay Reporting Lead at Lewis Silkin. Resources: Pay transparency tracker: https://www.payscale.com/featured-content/pay-transparency-legislation EU pay transparency directive FAQ's: https://www.payscale.com/compensation-trends/eu-pay-transparency-directive-faqs

May 22, 20261 hr 2 min

What your ELT really wants to know about pay. A CPO and CFO conversation

Compensation is no longer just an HR process. It is a business decision that executive teams are paying close attention to. In this special podcast episode, adapted from a recent Payscale webinar, Chief Product Officer Lexi Clarke and Chief Financial Officer Philip Watson discuss how organizations can rethink compensation reporting to better align with business goals and executive expectations. Drawing from insights in Payscale’s 2026 Compensation Best Practices Report, they explore the questions leadership teams are asking after recent merit and pay cycles, including how compensation impacts retention, performance, and financial outcomes. The conversation also covers why traditional HR metrics often fall short and what compensation leaders should bring into strategic business discussions instead. In this episode, you will learn: • The compensation questions executive teams are asking right now and why they matter • Where traditional HR metrics fall short and what to bring into the conversation instead • How to connect pay decisions to outcomes like retention, performance, and cost Want the full experience? Watch the webinar recording and access the presentation slides to dive deeper into the discussion: https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/what-your-elt-really-wants-to-know-about-pay

May 8, 202633 min

Why skills-based pay is finally within reach

For decades, organizations have talked about paying for skills instead of jobs. The idea is simple. Reward people based on what they can do, not just the role they hold. But in practice, it has always been difficult to execute. Skills are hard to define, harder to measure, and nearly impossible to track consistently across a workforce. At the same time, the market is shifting fast. AI-related skills are in high demand, showing up in job postings across industries. But new data shows those skills don’t always translate into higher pay. So organizations are facing a disconnect. They know skills matter more than ever. But they don’t yet have the systems or structures to consistently pay for them. In this episode of Comp and Coffee, Ruth Thomas is joined by Sara Hillenmeyer, VP of AI and Data Science at Payscale, to explore why skills-based pay has remained out of reach and why that may finally be changing. Together they unpack how AI is reshaping demand for skills, why the market isn’t consistently rewarding them yet, and what needs to happen for skills-based pay to become a reality at scale. This conversation looks at the data, the technology gap, and the structural shifts required for organizations to move from jobs-based to skills-based compensation.

April 21, 202619 min

We have an announcement...

Recorded live from WorldatWork Total Rewards 2026 in San Antonio, this special episode of Comp and Coffee gives you an inside look at the launch of Payscale Intelligence Cloud. Host Ruth Thomas is joined by Chief People Officer Lexi Clarke to share what they are hearing on the ground, including a key insight that 54% of practitioners are struggling with disconnected tools, systems, and processes, and what that means for the future of compensation. They explore how compensation is evolving from a behind the scenes function into a strategic, always on business lever. You will hear how Payscale Intelligence Cloud is built to support that shift with a unified experience across stakeholders, richer data including skills and demand insights, solutions that scale with your maturity journey, and contextual intelligence to help you make better pay decisions in real time. The conversation also covers the growing importance of pay transparency, the expanding role of HR teams in compensation, and why stronger alignment with finance is becoming essential to driving business impact. If you are navigating complexity, data overload, or the pressure to make faster and more defensible pay decisions, this episode is for you. Grab a coffee and tune in.

March 25, 202639 min

Pay equity isn't dead

The gender pay gap has widened. New data from the 2026 Gender Pay Gap Report shows the uncontrolled gender pay gap increased from $0.83 to $0.82, meaning women earn 18% less than men on average. That difference translates to $14,300 per year in lost earnings, and over $1 million across a career. At the same time, organizations are navigating a new era of pay transparency legislation, tighter compensation budgets, and growing scrutiny around fairness in pay practices. So what does pay equity actually look like in 2026? In this episode of Comp and Coffee, Ruth Thomas is joined by Vicky Peakman, Founder of Fair Pay Partners, and Lulu Seikaly, Senior Corporate Attorney, to unpack what the latest gender pay gap data really means and why transparency and equity are now inseparable. Together they explore why the uncontrolled gap still persists, where inequities show up most clearly across careers and industries, and how organizations can move beyond compliance to build compensation strategies that are both equitable and sustainable. This conversation looks at the legal landscape, the operational realities inside organizations, and the strategic choices leaders must make if they want pay transparency to strengthen trust rather than expose gaps. Episode resources: 2026 Gender Pay Gap Report: https://www.payscale.com/featured-content/gender-pay-gap HR’s 2026 Guide to Pay Equity: https://www.payscale.com/research-and-insights/hr-2026-guide-to-pay-equity Email: coffee@payscale.com for listener questions and suggestions

March 15, 202632 min

The hidden cost of peanut butter pay

When budgets shrink, performance pay is put to the test. The 2026 Compensation Best Practices Report tells a clear story: budgets are tighter, bonuses are shrinking, and organizations are reaching for simpler pay strategies to get through the year. Today we're exploring what happens when compensation decisions prioritize administrative ease over strategic intent — and what leaders can do about it. In this episode of Comp and Coffee, Ruth Thomas is joined by Founder of Payformance Partners Marc Mullis and People Operations leader at Leapfrog, Brittany Vogel to explore how organizations can maintain performance differentiation, employee trust, and retention in an era of tiny budgets. This conversation goes beyond theory. It examines how leaders are creatively rethinking frequency versus size of rewards, leveraging non-base pay tools, strengthening communication, and avoiding the long-term consequences of oversimplified pay strategies. Episode Resources: 2026 Compensation Best Practices Report: https://www.payscale.com/featured-content/cbpr Your insights matter and shape the future of work. Participate in the 2027 Compensation Best Practices Survey: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/cbprsignup Email: coffee@payscale.com for listener questions and suggestions